Can we open the vault and hire a good DC please!!!
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Pair him with a few more starters recruiters over the last 3 years.....and ....OK!
I'll take some assistants who can recruit too!! Lol. If we had a decent DC we are 7-1 no doubt about it.
His offense, against one of the top defenses in the conference, on the road—was not the problem.
With leach running the program we are an average top 50 program. In order to be a top 25 program regularly we need to keep a good DC and competent special teams coach.
We gave up 300 rushing yards....number 1 rule on D is don't get beat on the ground. Linebackers out of position
The pick 6 wasn't a problem? Or yet another turnover by a wide receiver??? How about the series where they started with a timeout after running onto the field, 2 lousy pass plays, then a no call PI? Was that good? How many trips in the redzone and how many tds vs fgs???
What game were you watching???
Those mistakes were certainly unfortunate. We ended up not needing the TO even though that was maddening. To lay the loss at the feet of the offense who scored 24 more points than Oregon gives up on average is really silly. Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.
Is it fair to lay the loss at the feet of the defense when the offense gave away points???
Or the special teams that allowed a long return on the final kick off???
This team does not have so much talent that it can afford to be coached poorly, have coaching turmoil, have coaching turnover, poor schemes, poor play calls and dumb mistakes.
This was the season WSU needed Leach to have things wrapped up tight. Attention to detail, i’s dotted, t’s crossed. It isnt. And I think that sucks.
I agree that the coaching turmoil last couple years has been very detrimental both on the field and in recruiting. Criticisms of Leachs administrative performance (especially after the Tennessee affair) are more than fair. His inability to retain coaches goes to show how he is seen as a flight risk and what a pain he Ian to work for.
We should not confuse these criticisms with failure by the offense. If defense doesn’t get out coached in the second half we win.
If we can win 6-7 games this year, make some great defensive hires, and perhaps find a better solution for ST coach then we will he setting ourselves up for future success.
A big time DC isn’t fixing this defense. They don’t have the horses on defense right now. They’ve missed on a lot of players the last few years.
The high turnover rate on the defensive coaching staff has lead to some pretty bare cupboards.
If the offense doesnt throw a pick in the endzone or have another pick for 6, does the def find themselves jammed up?
As outcoached as the def is, the offensive failures arent helping. Theyre making it worse.
Let's face it. The pick was horrible. Especially on 3rd and forever from your own 8. Gordon doesn't throw the pick 6. We are punting from our end zone. Oregon is gonna score anyway. Arcanado drop really was the crucial play in my opinion. Score 7 there and different game. Sucks to be hard on 19 though, he has been great for us.
If you want to bring in a Roy Manning energy type guy as DC who can cruit' and guys will love to play for than fine with me.
Small up front, out of position in the back. That's a recipe for disaster against any team that can competently run the ball. That's why I was surprised that it took Oregon so long to pound the ball, when that's what they like to do and the best way to beat us. Play a clean first half and maybe Herbert HAS to throw the ball in the 2nd. The offense screwed the pooch in the first half and the defense was outmanned. Even after all that, the Cougs almost won. I'm happy with the effort, irritated with the execution.
Good assessment. The pick six was a really bad decision & execution by Gordon. However, I have no doubt the Ducks would've easily scored shortly after a punt out of the endzone had the pick not been thrown. The loss is not totally on the defense but you can't give up that many yards on the ground and expect to win. This season simply shows that WSU needs all phases of the game to play well in order to beat teams like this year's Oregon (or UCLA for that matter).
Glad Cougar
Yes it is fair to say the defense failed when they gave up 300+ yards rushing. Arconado handed Oregon the ball when we had an easy three or maybe seven.
This is the season you could have chosen to stop whining, but you chose to whine more.
Anybody blaming the offense for this loss, and the overall 4-4 record, is ignorant. This team has lost while scoring 63, 34 and 35 points. The offense hasn’t been perfect, but 63, 34 and 35 points is enough to win with a slightly below average defense.
the defense sucks. The players suck, the coaches suck, the recruiting sucks. They can’t get off the field on 3rd downs, they can’t make crucial stops and they give up a ton of points.
“Oh, but you can’t lay it all at the feet of the defense.” Fine. 98.5% defense and we’ll give 1.5% of the blame to the offense.
F this defense.
the defense sucks. The players suck, the coaches suck, the recruiting sucks. They can’t get off the field on 3rd downs, they can’t make crucial stops and they give up a ton of points.
“Oh, but you can’t lay it all at the feet of the defense.” Fine. 98.5% defense and we’ll give 1.5% of the blame to the offense.
F this defense.
To be fair....I'd say this loss was 80% on the defense and 20% on the offense.
BTW, I'm not sure why Biggs has decided to be the way he is about this team right now. Everyone knows that he can bring good things to the table, but sticking up for this defense is a weird hill to die on.
Why a new ST coach? ST has been fine outside of the Ucla game.
They allowed one return yesterday (and honestly, it was only 36 yards) but otherwise were quite good.
If you're wanting to fire a guy for that, then you're gonna be hiring an awful lot of new ST coaches.
I’m willing to compromise: 98% defense, 2% offense. Anybody like that Biggs character, who is sticking up for the defense, probably just has a stick up their ass about the offense.To be fair....I'd say this loss was 80% on the defense and 20% on the offense.
BTW, I'm not sure why Biggs has decided to be the way he is about this team right now. Everyone knows that he can bring good things to the table, but sticking up for this defense is a weird hill to die on.
Didnt Leach fire a ST coach at halftime of a game cause they gave up two returns for touchdowns???
For the amount of $ these guys are paid, there is someone out there that can coach special teams.
To be fair....I'd say this loss was 80% on the defense and 20% on the offense.
BTW, I'm not sure why Biggs has decided to be the way he is about this team right now. Everyone knows that he can bring good things to the table, but sticking up for this defense is a weird hill to die on.
I don't know his history, but it feels like the response of someone who never really bought into the coach to begin with and he feels that now is his best chance to make that point. Over and over and over and over and over again
Here is what I would say about that and somewhat agree with Biggs is that any team coached by leach that gives up 31 points they should win. I am not a big “blame” person, but a program that recruits offense well enough to put out 5 capable lineman every year, good backs every year, good QBs every year, good wr every year that side of the ball has the burden on them.
Are there any players on offense where you would say they would help us on defense ? If the DC and staff had first pull of the kids , who could help on the other side of the ball?
Guys, with a better D coaching strategy at the end we would have beaten UCLA, ASU and Oregon. 3 wins that became losses because we went to a soft D on the last drive.
I wish Thompson was still around. We might have pulled one or two of those out (especially UCLA) if he was still on the team. But despite our gripes, we've been in every game to the end except Utah. Our D roster is not that bad. Coaching decisions matter.
I wish Thompson was still around. We might have pulled one or two of those out (especially UCLA) if he was still on the team. But despite our gripes, we've been in every game to the end except Utah. Our D roster is not that bad. Coaching decisions matter.
Wasn't that the Cal game, like 5 years ago? What does that have to do with anything?
Special teams has been fine. No need to fire that guy, unless he's not recruiting.
It has to do with Leach holding people accountable.
Your definition of fine has helped them lose 2 games.
Well, we had a DC quit halfway through the season. Should he fire everyone and elevate the student assistants?
I’d disagree. Yes UCLA. Not ASU or Oregon though. Talent seemed to be more of an issue there. ASU DBs getting completely worked. Oregon D Linemen getting blown off the ball and making things really difficult for the LBs. there are a couple D Linemen, DBs and at least one linebacker getting lots of snaps that just flat out aren’t PAC 12 quality players. They have busted their tails, just don’t have the ability. That’s a recruiting problem which isn’t surprising considering the quality of recruiters that have been poached by other programs. Leach needs a top notch recruiter or two.
There is a reason Leach rose from being a DIII assistant to one of the most respected P5 head coaches and a reason a certain critic is no longer in the profession.
Not bringing the heat on Herbert on the last drive was a mistake. The softness of the prevent D pretty much let me know we'd lose. On the road you have to take some chances and I would have brought pressure to disrupt their offense. My Duck friends were commenting today that the WSU's D line is the only D to pressure them since their Auburn lose.
" His inability to retain coaches goes to show how he is seen as a flight risk and what a pain he Ian to work for. "
Any criticism of Leach is fair game . But statements like this are pure stupid. Everyone of the coaches that have left have done so for significantly more money. If they were voluntarily jumping to a Mountain West school for the same money then you might have a point but they are not . These guys are human which means if they can make bigger money they will take it. In Grinch and Mannings cases which you may be referring are making significantly more money. Grinch twice as much and Manning 50% more. Name a coach that could retain assistants with that much difference in pay ?
So you want to fire the coach for 1 bad game and one return to the 40?
We'd never keep a ST coach for more than one season.
You act like there is a shortage of coaches that will work for BCS level pay. There isnt. The idea that you would keep someone that was bad at their job because you dont think you could replace them while paying 6 figures in Pullman, WA is f$cking stupid. That is a losers mentality.
