Washington State # 21
They put a 6-2 Colorado at the # 20 spot.
They put a 6-2 Colorado at the # 20 spot.
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If Boise ST. loses @ any time & Big Cats win out then you must qualify &
UNLV, BSU, ARMY, NAVY would all need to lose and be 10-2, behind WSU 11-1 for WSU to make CFP, IF BSU were to lose.
It's actually better for WSU making CFP wise for BSU to win out, go 11-1, to show that WSU's would be lone loss, if they win out, was, is a super ultra tough, understandable, super ultra quality, forgivable loss.
Then if Notre Dame loses, is 10-2, as a independent, a 11-1 WSU, 11-1 BSU would goto CFP over a 10-2 Notre Dame, 11-1, 10-2 UNLV, 11-1, 10-2 Army, Navy. BSU would get in because of highest rated conference champ, and WSU would get in as a at large taking Notre Dame's, UNLV, Army, Navy's spot.
But if BSU does not win out, then that path to CFP won't be available to WSU. That path to CFP, is better, easiest path, easier then if BSU were to lose.
If BSU loses, every team above WSU would have to lose 1,2 games and go 10-2, 9-3, for WSU to goto CFP.
If Boise ST. loses @ any time & Big Cats win out then you must qualify &
We are in the worst possible spot. We don’t get the G5 berth and the PAC-12 isn’t considered Power 5 either. Our competition for the CFP is Notre Dame. Oof
And wouldn’t that be an amazing accomplishment!
CFP final ranking of # 13 with a quality bowl game to boot!
Can you imagine that! Nobody and I mean nobody outside of Jake Dickert and the players dreamed #13 to be possible.
Did you know that WSU has made the final CFP rankings only 3 times in history?
Did you know CFP #13 is the highest ranking WSU has ever received in the final poll?
… that the Cougars are now tied with their 2nd best ever final cfp poll at 18?
I'm very happy that we are in the conversation this year......just cut it out with the "most successful team in WSU history" bullshit. It's a fun year, don't ruin it with hyperbole and ignorance.
At no time in history has WSU finished a season ranked higher than CFP #13. That’s a stone cold fact. It’s undeniable. Need a link?
The entire college football industry apparatus agrees with that. CFP has spoken and they’re speaking right now. #18, they say today.
You don’t agree because of your feelings. Nothing more.
I will continue to enjoy this Best Season in Cougar football history ( it is unless and until it isn’t) while you wallow in misery recruiting other losers to the loser bus.
Enjoy your journey!
The entire college football industry apparatus agrees with that. CFP has spoken and they’re speaking right now. #18, they say today.
You don’t agree because of your feelings. Nothing more.
I will continue to enjoy this Best Season in Cougar football history ( it is unless and until it isn’t) while you wallow in misery recruiting other losers to the loser bus.
Enjoy your journey!
Flats right, but you can have your opinion. Fun season? Yes. Successful season? No question. Top 10 best WSU seasons. Definitely. They aren’t going to the rose bowl, they will never crack the top 10, they aren’t going to smother a top ranked Oregon team with Gameday here or beat a top ranked USC team with the entire country watching. Beating UW and getting to 11-12 wins is quite an accomplishment for a program whose conference imploded and we should all celebrate if that happens.
I’ll side with College football >>> jilted fan feelings. You do you.
WSU is ranked # 18 and is currently on track for its best finish ever in CFP voting as long as this winning trend continues.
Simple fact.
WSU is ranked # 18 and is currently on track for its best finish ever in CFP voting as long as this winning trend continues.
Simple fact.
Jilted? No. Just being realistic. I’ve had no problem telling “fans” who are bitching about this team that they have their head up their ass.
Your “ranking” is flawed. We’re going to ignore every season of CFB prior to the CFP? So 100 years of history…or most of CFB history.
This has been a fun season and hope it continues and this team has accomplished far more than anyone expected, which is typical whenever we have a breakout season. But it’s not the greatest WSU team ever or best season ever for reasons I stated above plus many more I didn’t mention. Our best win is against TT or UW, both of which are mediocre AF. M
Fact. 12 wins, if we get there, would be the most ever for a WSU FB team. Can’t take that away from them. Would be special. A top 10 final ranking would be something we’ve only done a couple of times.
Admit you’re an idiot without a clue how football works outside of Whitman County.
I’m rooting for 12-1 and the highest ranking for WSU, my Alma mater, in college football history.
Your emotional ranting, rooting for failure holds no weight with me.
Go Cougs!
I’m rooting for 12-1 and the highest ranking for WSU, my Alma mater, in college football history.
Your emotional ranting, rooting for failure holds no weight with me.
Go Cougs!
FWIW, if we finish #10 in the AP Poll.....that would elevate this team into the discussion for being in the Top 10 seasons all time. As mentioned above, with all of our challenges, this is a season to celebrate even if it isn't "the greatest eva!".
As far as your pure bullshit commentary on the highest CFP ranking ever.....are you saying that the 100+ years of football prior to the CFP are meaningless? In your shortsighted world view, the fact that WSU was #3 in the country in 2002 heading into the Apple Cup doesn't matter. Our #6 ranking in 2003 before our loss to USC didn't happen. Our #8 ranking in 1997 before the Rose Bowl (and our win over eventual #5 UCLA) doesn't count. Our high point ranking of #9 before the 2001 Apple Cup was irrelevant. Your recency bias makes you post idiotic statements about this current team that just don't make sense.
I am enjoying our success and I love the fact that there aren't any mutts trolling around here talking about their greatness, but the simple fact is that you're a moron if you think that this team is in the discussion for best team ever. And frankly, "College football" is saying that WSU isn't a great team. We are the lowest ranked 8-1 team from anything resembling a power conference and in the eyes of "College football", this team isn't as good as six other teams with two losses. It will take a miracle for us to finish ranked in the Top 10 at the end of this season.
It doesn't mean that this isn't a "good" team, it just means that we aren't a great team and we are doing nothing more than making the best of a bad situation. HTH.
While I do think we can win out the regular season, I think our ultimate bowl matchup may make that a challenge to win. If we win out and continue to creep up, those on the bubble, BSU, Miami, TAMU, etc., will be difficult matchups. They will be at least as tough as BSU. Of course, that all depends on the opt outs (us and them).
I see us finishing 11-2.
I see us finishing 11-2.
You get upset every time objectivity collides with your emotion. Ever notice that?
You might be right.
If the Cougars finish 11-2, it’s unlikely, IMO, we will reach the highest CFP ranking ever.
'Upset"?
What you are doing is called projection. I'm not "upset". I just think you are an idiot and a troll. One could argue that I'm wasting my time posting objective thoughts to a fool and a troll though.
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Watching WSU win all these close games this year has been fun, even with the nail biting!! But this team is not top 12 in the nation, as much as I hate saying that, it’s true. Also, playing a very good team in a bowl game with a dominant running game could look pretty bad for this team. All that said, Go Cougs !!
The problem is that you're wrong. You're looking at CFP ranking and apparently believing that it represents college football history, when it actually only represents the last 10 years.
Within that limited time frame, yes, WSU has never finished higher than #13 in the CFP...and probably won't this year either. (And by the way, the 2018 team would run circles around this one)
However, if we're looking at "college football history," that's much more expansive than the CFP, and means going to the AP. WSU finished 1997 at #9. 2001, #10. 2002, #10. 2003, #9. And that 2018 CFP#13 team finished at AP#10.
That 2018 was one of WSU's best. Lined up against the 1997 & 2002 teams, I think 2018 gives us some damn good games. All 3 of those teams crush the 2024 team. The 2024 team is probably in the conversation for top 10 best teams at WSU...but I'm not sure they actually make the list.
ESPN has pretty consistently had us playing Kansas St in the Alamo Bowl. They have also mentioned Colorado as a possibility. Depends on how the Big 12 plays out.
Colorado would be outstanding. Beating them would be similar to taking down Vince Young and Texas in the holiday bowl.
Questionable if Shedeur or Hunter would play, probably not, but would still be lots of eyeballs with Deion on the sidelines.
I think that requires some assumptions.
Current 1-loss teams, in addition to us:
Ohio State
Penn State
Texas
TEnnessee
Notre Dame
Miami
Boise State
SMU
In addition, Oregon and Indiana are 10-0, Army and BYU are currently 9-0
Indiana plays Ohio State next weekend, and I don't think they're getting over that hump. That'll leave Indiana, Penn State, and Ohio State all at 10-1.
Penn State and Oregon should both win out - although WIsconsin or UW upsetting Oregon would cause chaos and I would love that. Ohio State already beat Penn State, so it would give them a rematch with UO for the Big 10 championship...and I think the rematch favors the Buckeyes. (So, Ohio State wins the Big 10, Oregon, Indiana, and Penn are all 11-1)
Texas has to get past Texas A&M. The Aggies are 7-2 and #15, they may still have an outside shot at a CFP berth, and beating Texas would be a big feather in their cap. Texas has been a little shaky for the last few weeks, and it's at A&M. Winner of this game then has to beat the winner of Tennessee/Georgia.
TEnnessee has Georgia this weekend. The Bulldogs need the win to stay alive, and they're the home team. I think Georgia has the advantage. Speaking of chaos - if A&M beats Texas, and Georgia beats Tennessee, the SEC might have 6 teams (Ole Miss and Bama) that are all at 10-2. I'm not even sure what the tiebreakers would be to decide who plays for the conference title. Loser would have 3 losses and probably be out of the conversation.
Notre Dame seems pretty likely to win out. They have UVA, Army, and USC left. Army probably isn't a real threat. USC has the talent, if they can pull themselves together they could win...but probably won't.
Miami also should win out, and they need to do it with 2 blowouts (Wake and Syracuse, so...possible). But, we've all seen what happens when Cam Ward tries too hard. The experts are putting MIami ahead of SMU, but right now SMU is in the driver's seat for the ACC championship. SMU probably wins out. If they beat Clemson or Miami in the ACC title game....they should get the automatic berth, and Miami is crossing their fingers with 2 losses.
Boise State is at SJSU and also has the Beavers to play. They're likely to win out, and then have to get by COlorado State in the MWC title game. Probably safe.
Army has to get past Notre Dame and Navy. They're going to lose at least 1 of those.
BYU's biggest threat is probably ASU, and then Colorado in the Big 12 title game.
So, at the end of all this....there are currently 12 teams that have 0 or 1 losses (not counting us). 6 of them play each other before the end of the season. 6-7 of them probably have a pretty tough test coming in a conference championship game. Depending on how everything shakes out, there could be some 1-loss teams that get left out of the playoff, and there could be a bunch of P5 2-loss teams left out. If that happens, even at 1 loss, we're probably not the first pick. Most of the bowls are going to take a 2-loss Ohio State, Tennessee, or Miami over a 1-loss WSU. Hell, some 3-loss SEC teams are probably getting picked over us...especially now that we don't have a solid bowl arrangement that requires them to take us first.
Still could be a decent bowl, but I think we're still 2 weeks away from really feeling comfortable that we're getting the Alamo instead of the Cheez-It.
Granted there are lots of games left to play and if any of us knew exactly how they all play out we could get rich in Vegas. That aside, the Alamo Bowl still has ties to the Pac-12 and we would be ranked in the top 15 if we win out. So I think ESPN is right--the Cougs would go to the Alamo Bowl and probably play whichever Big-12 team got left out of the playoffs. At the moment that would look like Kansas St., BYU, or Colorado.
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Would be nice to play Kansas St.
CATS vs. CATS
We've never played them before! We play them on a Home in Home: 2026 in Manhattan, KS, then they come to Pullman in 2029.
BYU ~ A repeat of the legendary 1983 Holiday Bowl. Seattle P-I Headlines....."BYU nudges WSU in thriller 38-36". I was there, Jack Murphy Stadium now imploded where Snapdragon is.
Colorado ~ "been there and done that".
Watch me go captain negative...
No f'in way is this a Top 10. Literally... smells, tastes, sounds, feels, and looks like bullshit
1997
2002
2003
2001
2018
1992
1994
1988
1981
2015
2017
2016
don't forget 1917 & 1929
And of course... 2008!
I'd started to include a list of teams that I'd rank ahead of this one, but had arbitrarily only included from 1990 to present. I wouldn't argue with any of the ones you listed.
There's no doubt in my mind that '92, '97, '02, '03, and '18 tie this team in knots. '94 wins on defense alone (just like they did in '94). They might be decent (and high scoring) games with 2024 against '88, 2001, and the '15-'17 teams, but I give the advantage to history.
You mean 1930. The legendary Mel Hein. The industructable Center. Rose Bowl, January 1st, 1931.
If we finish 11-1, we are a virtual lock for the Alamo Bowl. The "former Pac-12" candidates for the bowls are shown below. Projected records based on Massey's predictions are in parenthesis.
Oregon: 9-0 (12-0) - CFP
WSU: 8-1 (11-1) - Alamo
Colorado: 7-2 (8-4) - Las Vegas
ASU: 7-2 (8-4) - Holiday
Cal: 5-4 (7-5) - Sun
UW: 5-5 (6-6) - LA
USC: 4-5 (6-6) - Independence
OSU: 4-5 (5-7)
UCLA: 4-5 (5-7)
Utah: 4-5 (5-7)
Arizona: 3-6 (4-8)
Stanford: 2-7 (2-10)
Bowl selection is based on overall record and the bowl must pick the best available team or one within one win overall.
Colorado would have to win out to be within one game of us but they might do that. They play Utah, @KU and Oklahoma State. Utah played well in the Holy War but have generally sucked. KU is only 3-6...but they are the most dangerous 3-6 team in the country. Oklahoma State sucks and is going to get railroaded by the Buffs. If the Buffs win out but lose the Big 12 Championship game, I believe that the Alamo Bowl would be allowed to pick them at 10-3 and they might do that because of the Prime effect. The problem is that the Alamo Bowl will feature a Big 12 team and would they want the Buffaloes playing KSU again? If it's BYU or Iowa State....it becomes more likely since they didn't play one of them.
I wouldn't be all that mad if we went to Las Vegas. I believe those two bowls are the only destinations out there for us assuming that we don't gack away a game. Even then, if the other games play out the way that they should, it will still likely one of those two bowls. I don't believe that ASU is going to beat KSU and BYU. Those teams are far better than any of the Sun Devils wins this year so I figure it's a two horse race between WSU and Colorado for the top two bowl spots.
The 2024 team is not anywhere near top 10 ever. Will they finish with a great record? Probably. Do they have anywhere near the talent that past teams have? Nope. In a theoretical match up with past teams could they win? No fcking chance. The 1996 team blows the doors off the 2024 team. They were what? 5-6?
Take the wins. Dont be blind to how weak the degree of difficulty is with the 2024 schedule.
yeah, stacking past teams against this one is just exploring opinion and recollection. In reality, any team with a strong offense is an issue for the 2024 team…and the current offense isn’t consistent enough to necessarily counter. There should be zero doubt we’re saved by our schedule.
In the end, how you feel about this season comes down to one thing: is it enough to look good? Or, would you rather be good?
I like the idea of being able to go into any stadium in the country and know we’ve got a shot. Not many WSU teams have given me that. And this isn’t one of them.
