Sounds like Easterns coach is the target now. I still have PTSD from the Wulff years, not feeling good about chasing an eastern coach…
Coaching Search Update
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What do we need to know? WSU did not choose to offer the candidate who was the fan (and certainly the team) favorite in Shaw. WSU offered a one year in Big Sky guy who makes $190K a year. Said guy either turned us down, or we backpedaled when it was leaked. Either way we are ifiots. What else do we need to know?
There are other options as well. He never was offered the job. He was offered the job and WSU withdrew it and that is when Logie's side leaked that he wanted to think about it. If I had a nickel for every time a coach was rumored for a job and then they say that they want to think about it or that they are staying at their present school once they found out they didn't get the job, I could singlehandedly fund the athletic department and NIL for WSU.
Oh c'mon. Everyone on the planet is making fun of WSU over this. If we never actually offered, don't you think we would say something, like the truth? And don't you think MSU would have seen the offer or made a call or something rather than just take Loogie's word for it?
Nobody on the planet besides us cares about WSU basketball. So, very few if anyone is making fun of WSU, and if even anyone was, by tomorrow they would be onto something else.
No, I don't think WSU would say anything at all if they never offered. The only time you will ever hear from WSU is when they announce the coach. My guess is Riley.
Riley is the apparent hire. It will become official tomorrow. Not even our first choice among Big Sky candidates. I feel bad about being unfair & unreasonable, but I do fear Riley will be the Paul Wulff of basketball. Hope I'm wrong and as a longtime Cougar fan, I will give him every opportunity and bit of support to succeed. But Riley was last on my list among known candidates. Prove me wrong, coach.
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I personally believe we are lucky. Riley is better than Logie.
When Legans left to Portland that roster at Eastern was completely gutted. Jacob and Tanner Groves went to Oklahoma. Kim Aiken was supposed to go to Arizona, Meadows, Robertson and Perry went to Portland w their coach and Davison went to Cal Poly....best players all gone...Riley hit the Portal hard and brought in some great players. Developed Steele Venters and won the Big Sky conference league championship. Venters player of the year leaves for Gonzaga couple other kids transfer out and graduate...hits the portal again and wins the league again. Kid can coach!! Def not Paul Wulff... be curious who he brings on as assistants.
Logie’s first and one year as head coach Montana State went 17-18 and to his credit they had a late run thru the Big Sky tournament and in to the play in game of the NCAA. The 2 seasons prior to Logie the Bobcats were 25-10 and 27-8 and also in the NCAA tourney. So it could be argued the programs took a down turn.
Riley has won Big Sky coach of the year in back to back seasons. So if you’re going to hire someone from the Big Sky might as well get the best. Plus Riley has two victories over WSU’s Smith teams.
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hold on...
UWs hand me down p.o.s. loser coach is being considered? You're fcking joking, right? PLEASE TELL ME YOURE FCKING JOKING.
Really (beat Smith twice). I didn't recall that. Allright, I'll give him a chance. At least the co-eds will like him better than Loogie.
Good thing you aren't in charge of PR or media relations. Wait - you couldn't do any worse than what we have.
Cluff and who? I only see Cluff. And why Cluff? He won't get much out there I wouldn't think. He's looking at some NIL money from WSU, and a full-fledged starting job at center/PF. And he previously said he was not going to leave. WTF?
Yes. Once in a regular season game at the beginning of the season and once in the NIT at the of the season.
Just a little bit of context. Logie was hired fairly late in the process and inherited a Bobcats program that was gutted by previous coach Sprinkle, who took the two best players with him to Utah State while others either graduated or transferred out. MSU's top 5 scorers departed the program. Getting that team into the NCAA tournament was a pretty good accomplishment. I really can't say that Logie is better than Riley but I won't be surprised if Logie re-establishes a strong program in Bozeman and will be coaching at a much bigger school within five years. Hopefully, Riley will do well for WSU.
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Hard to know for sure. But I look at Eastern and while it was a good program before him, when he took over, he made it better. Then I looked at Kenpom and his offensive efficiency is very good. The defensive efficiency is not good, but I also read that when you take out the Power 5 conference opponents out of their equation, the defensive efficiency jumps up a lot.
I guess in reality Paul Graham was already the Paul Wulff of basketball. I feel better with subsequent comments about Riley’s accomplishments at Eastern, sounds like he knows the game and has played it well. Hoping for the best.
It's obvious players were waiting to see what happened in wait and see mode, before entering the portal.
And it's obvious the players think WSU, Schultz, AD FCKED up the coach search. And it's obvious players don't have confidence in the new coach, and were upset that Shaw, Henderson not hired, etc.
If WSU, Schultz, AD had hired Shaw, Henderson quickly, some of the players that entered the portal would have stayed.
Yeah, some of them would have gone no matter what happened, but it's a FALSE NARRATIVE by Ed, others, that the entire team was all going to leave forever, no matter what happened.
At least he has a good attitude. Of course he probably would never say the opposite in public.
This is a 1 out of 10 excitement hire.
Hope I'm wrong about this hire, but it's Paul Wulff-esque to me.
Hope I'm wrong about this hire, but it's Paul Wulff-esque to me.
He's had plenty of praise. Like Graham, he's a great assistant coach. Not the head guy.
You must have missed his time at Western Oregon.
Insulting that you mention Paul Graham. Not even remotely the same.
I'd like to see evidence that Paul Graham was a great assistant coach at any time in his life. Just because he was the #3 guy for Eddie Sutton doesn't mean he was something special. There is no doubt in my mind that Jim Shaw would have been far more capable of being a head coach than Graham ever proved to be.
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Does Jim Shaw have a college age son that he can put on scholarship? If not, then not remotely the same.
How do you know he hasn't had those opportunities but chose to stay put? But that really isn't the point for me. It's the ridiculousness of comparing someone who has widespread respect as a coach (assistant or otherwise) with someone I don't recall had such widespread respect.
One other key difference– Jim Shaw doesn't own any Armani suits!
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If he's had D1 opportunities and chose to stay put as an assistant, then he's not the guy. That's the point. It's not that he isn't a good coach and good person, I'm sure he is, but he either hasn't had any D1 head coaching offers or he hasn't wanted any.
