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Wait, never mind. Reminds me of the oversized W the dogs have (or is that an M?) 😀
PS Whatever happened to HHusky?
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Wait, never mind. Reminds me of the oversized W the dogs have (or is that an M?) 😀
PS Whatever happened to HHusky?
Right now, this is probably right. 7-3 is good and they are tied with Oregon and the uw. But, they have to prove it against the best of the conference, which they will have a chance to do in the next two weeks.
I'm really puzzled by NW having the ball at the end of the first half with 10 seconds on the shot clock. Can anyone explain that?
Great win though. That was a dangerous game. Frustrating toward the end when I thought we might give it away.
I'll take a sweep on the road in Pac12 play any day though!
Great win though. That was a dangerous game. Frustrating toward the end when I thought we might give it away.
I'll take a sweep on the road in Pac12 play any day though!
Are we only concerned with offense? No concern with defense or rotations. How players play together? Matchups? Sometimes your leader isn’t nearly your best player, but his presence helps others on the team. Noah is a high energy player who instills confidence and encourages his teammates. I have faith in the coach who sees them everyday, breaks down the film, and hopefully has a pulse on the team… If he is playing lots of minutes a game there is a reason.
Efe and Gueye both played well and have been playing much better as of late. Before today Gueye hadn’t made any shot other than a dunk in a long while. Good to see him make some shots, hopefully it’s like they say once you see one go in things can start to flow.
Certainly this team folded earlier this season with the game on the line, but this weekend things went differently. I'm repeating myself, but they would have likely lost both Bay Area games earlier this year. But maybe they've learned something from all those frustrating losses.
By the way, Flowers is really turning out to be a nice player. He should always have the ball in his hands at the end of the half or the game....not Noah.
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Flowers is playing really well overall and shooting it brilliantly. Roberts shoots well when he takes good looks. The issue a bit is Flowers and Roberts on the other end. Williams gives us good defense and he's typically picked up one of the other teams best offensive players. Additionally, Bamba is dealing with a knee injury and not able to take as many minutes.
We could use some more healing.
I'd venture to state that no one here thinks we are a great team.
We have a tough 5 game stretch coming up and I'd say winning 2/5 is a realistic scenario. Beyond that is icing on the cake.
The night is not complete, so it could change. But, the Cougars are currently 30 in Kenpom's Ratings.
It is. The uw is 128. Although, they are playing much better now. In the NCAA N.E.T rankings, the Cougars are at 37. That does not include todays games.
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He got crossed the F up more than once on defense too. His entire game is off right now.
KenPom is all analytics. And there’s plenty of data this far into the season. This team can play with…and beat anyone on the schedule. They can’t have 6 minute scoring droughts. That shit is out the door if they want to beat some of these teams.
Today appears to be one of those days. The Cougars could not put away Cal. Oregon struggles to beat Utah, as it was within one point with 7 second left. UCLA is currently tied with ASU in double overtime.
UW has 8,9+ losses, So WSU should win 2 vs UW.
WSU should beat Ore St twice.
That would be at least 4 wins minimum. But even if WSU were to lose 1 of those 4 should be wins, WSU could still win 1 against Oregon instead.
And so 18 wins at semi likely worst.
And WSU could easily win one of the Oregon games in addition to the 4 should get wins, for easily 19 wins.
Even if WSU were to lose 1 of those 5 wins, they could still have 5 wins by winning a win against either SC, UCLA, Arizona.
And best case WSU could win 1 vs either USC, UCLA, Arizona, 1 vs Oregon, 2 vs UW, 2 vs Ore St for 6 wins.
Now WSU is 7-3 in conference.
If WSU goes 4-7 to end up 10-10 in conference, 18 wins. WSU wouldn't make the Dance.
If WSU goes 5-6, WSU would be 11-9 in conference and 19 wins. Now if after that, WSU wins no Pac 12 tourney wins, then 19 wins, 11-9 in conference not enough to make Dance.(11,12,13,14 seed), if they do just barely squeeze thru bubble into Dance.
But if WSU wins 1 Pac 12 tourney game, to go with 19 wins, 11-9 conference, that's good enough to just barely make Dance(10,11,12.seed)
If WSU goes 6-5, WSU would be 20 wins, 12-8 in conference, which good enough to make Dance(7,8,9,10 seed).If win a Pac 12 tourney game, and have 21 wins, 13-9 in conference, then 6,7,8,9 seed in Dance.
At ultimate extreme Best WSU goes 7-4, 21 wins, at least 1 Pac 12 tourney win, maybe 2 for 22,23 wins, 13-9 to 14-8 in conference. 4,5,6,7 seed in Dance.
WSU likely wins 5,6, 5.5 games in conference for 19,20, 19.5 wins, and 1,2,1.5 Pac 12 tourney game(s), 8,9,10,11,12 seed in Dance
WSU finishes tied for 3rd in conference at best, tied for, or alone in 4th, at average, alone in 5th at worst.
From Canzano...
"Oregon absolutely can’t afford at this point are bad losses, particularly at home. Any margin for error or setbacks evaporated weeks ago.
Also, UO probably can’t afford to run into a great defensive team, a gifted opposing big man, or a cold shooting night..."
Hmmm.....
I have a mindset that any team in this conference can beat any other team on any given night. ASU over UCLA is a good example. Utah nearly pulling off the upset of UO. Colorado beating the Ducks earlier this year in Eugene. Stanford winning at USC. I wouldn't be surprised to see OSU, in the midst of one of their worst ever seasons, rise up and shock someone. It would be wise to not take any game for granted this year.
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True story. UW in Seattle is going to be a must win and will be anything buy easy. They are playing well now despite their early season woes.
UW, won't be EASY, BUT still is a game WSU, SHOULD win. The only should be semi easy wins, are Ore St, ASU, CAL, but can't take even them for granted, or you get beat in triple overtime, like UCLA.
But like UCLA, SHOULD beat any Pac 12 team, that NOT, Arizona, USC, Oregon, etc, WSU, should beat UW.
But WSU can't take beating UW or anybody for granted.
But IF, WHEN WSU SHOWS UP, plays hard, good, ok, etc, like they have been doing, they should, will, would, etc, beat UW.
And I assume that will or is likely to happen, because UW, is a RIVAL, and Smith, will likely have them ready to play, win vs UW, an or the WSU players will likely to be ready to play, win vs the UW.
It's almost as if everyone SEEMS TO EXPECT, THINK UW will beat WSU.
I EXPECT, Think WSU will win, beat UW.
The only teams that I think will, should win, beat WSU, is Arizona, UCLA, USC, MAYBE Oregon.
The only teams that semi likely can, have a ok, almost semi good chance to win, beat WSU, outside of Arizona, UCLA, USC, is Oregon, and Stanford, and Colorado.
UW, is between between, almost a Oregon, Stanford, Colorado.
Another way to put it:
Chances to win, beat WSU:
Arizona: 75% to 93%
UCLA: 70% to 85%
USC: 67% to 77%
Oregon: 53% to 59%
Stanford:50%
Colorado:50%
UW:33% to 43%
Utah:26% to 38%
CAL:20% to 30%
ASU: 13% to 23%
Ore St:7% to 17%
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And because WSU fans on this board, are seeming to OVERRATING, OVERHYPING, UW.
UW, while isn't bad, isn't good, and is between good and bad, is, has been LUCKY, has had the schedule BREAK their way, were horrible in non con, WORST EVER, vs Oregon, and have been winning close games vs bottom half of Conference, etc.
Let's just say I am Not sold until, unless they win, beat:
Arizona, UCLA, USC, Oregon, Stanford, Colorado, WSU, instead of almost only winning, beating, Ore St, Cal, ASU, Utah, etc.
The kid needs to go back to basics, do what comes to him naturally, that is play lockdown defense and not worry about offense. He needs to cover for the weaknesses in Flowers and Roberts games. He does that alone, we are in great shape down the stretch. Trying to be the "go to" guy at both ends just ain't working.
I wouldn't put ASU as a team that has gotten better as the season went along. Before yesterday, they had lost four games in a row, and were 1-7 in their previous eight.
Huskies did beat Stanford and Colorado.....in addition to OSU, Cal, and Utah.
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UCLA was a FLUKE loss, where UCLA was asleep, or didn't show up, or took ASU as a for granted win, or ASU was miraculously good for 1 game as a FLUKE OUTLIER, that's going to go back to being the HORRIBLY bad ASU.
Take away their OSU, CAL, Utah wins, (EASY wins probably at HOME, and substitute them with Stanford, Colorado types. Also the Stanford, Colorado Wins were probably at UW'S HOME COURT.
If they had played Stanford, Colorado on the road, then probably would have lost.
UW was not only horrible in non con, and worst ever vs Oregon, they got LUCKY SCHEDULING BREAKS IN THEIR PAC 12 record.
Put them on the road vs Oregon, Stanford, Colorado, etc, and they probably would have lost, and would lose, and have about 12,13,14,15 losses, instead of about 9,10,11 losses.
Their 9,10,11 loss record, is NOT a good record for a 7-3 conference, 3,4 place Pac 12 team, and the only way a 9,10,11 loss team, is 7-3, 3,4 place in Pac 12 conference, is if the get a LOT of LUCK, BREAKS, have the schedule work out perfectly for them, teams taking them for granted, as easy wins, overlooking them, etc, other team's injuries, refs, etc
Also those Stanford, Colorado wins, were probably earlier in the season, and they probably were injured, and probably got the benefit of calls from refs.
If UW were to play a uninjured Stanford, Colorado Team on the road, and might probably even at home, later in season, where they dont get lucky, where they dont get a lot of calls, breaks their way, etc, and if Stanford don't overlook, etc, UW, UW, would probably lose most of the time vs Oregon, Stanford, Colorado.
Like I said, I'm not sold on UW yet, until, unless they UW win, beat Oregon, Stanford, Colorado, WSU, in a more normal, tougher situation, then what they have been in, to OFFSET their HORRIBLE noncon play and HORRIBLE play vs a MORE RECENT Oregon.
Unless, and until then, I only think that UW only has about a 33% to 43% chance to win, beat WSU, and is slightly overhyped, overrated, and not as good as their 7-3 conference record.
Yep not surprised. I EXPECTED that kind of score, just as I am expecting it to continue in the 2nd half and see Stanford beat UW by 13 to 25 points.
Like I said UW is NOT as good as their 7-3, soon to be 7-4 Pac 12 conference record, seems to indicate.
And like I said WSU, fans should not worry, be scared, etc, that UW will supposedly beat WSU, and like I said there is only about a 33% to 43% chance at best that they would win, beat WSU.
This is what usually happens, when everything doesn't go UW's way: they LOSE this season.
When they UW have won, this season, especially in Pac 12 play this season, it's usually because almost everything, breaks, bounces, scheduling, injuries, Covid, etc, goes their, UW's way, and goes against opponents way, etc
Well they, UW, are not getting their way now, and they UW are losing big because of it.
This will be put UW at 10,11,12, losses, instead of 9,10,11 losses, and makes them more likely to lose their UW's games, vs Arizona or UCLA, or USC, and add 1,2,3 more losses, for 12,13,14,15 losses, instead of either 9,10,11 losses, or 10,11,12 losses.
But oh no a probable 13,14,15,16,17 loss team like UW is soo good. NOT.
Stanford blows out the uw 87-69. Stanford was up 26 before the uw hit a couple three pointers in the last minute of the game. I think what happened all across the P12 this weekend makes what WSU did even more impressive.
Watched the 2nd half. I guess Davis for UW had some sort of arm injury in the 1st half. Came out in a sling. He’s has seemed to compliment Terrell Brown. Brown’s had a big season but they usually have found someone else to step up on the offensive end. Bey, Matthews, Bajema, etc. Didn’t happen today.
I would like to think they are regressing back to what they showed early but that defense can cause some chaos. I hope they do just well enough to keep Hopkins in town. This is a team we should beat home or away unless they get a big game from someone other than Brown and they have during the last stretch.
I would like to think they are regressing back to what they showed early but that defense can cause some chaos. I hope they do just well enough to keep Hopkins in town. This is a team we should beat home or away unless they get a big game from someone other than Brown and they have during the last stretch.
And as I expected Stanford destroyed UW.
At one point UW was behind by 27 points in the 2nd half, semi almost semi close to semi near the semi end of the game.
If Stanford, hadnt let off the gas, they probably would have won by 10 more points easily, for a 36 point beating of UW.
But Stanford let off the gas, was merciful, etc, and so UW, only lost by a score of 87 to about, extremely close to around, about 66 for UW.
But oh no, UW lost by 30 to Oregon, and NOW lost by 21 to Stanford that WSU beat by 6 on ROAD, But oh no UW, is SOOO GOOOD, at 12-9. NOT.
They aren’t great but they could certainly get up for us and they’ve proven they can put a good game together. Boys don’t bring it they could easily lose in Seattle. And these are games they need.
