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EWU, Jo Albi

Illegal Aliens, Illegal immigrants,

(those immigrants who come to USA, illegally, who by doings so threaten USA border security, increase human trafficking, crime, drugs, terrorism, disease, victimize, become victims, drain valuable resources that should go elsewhere, unfairly use welfare, health insurance, etc, cause extremely bad problems for USA, USA people).

(People, government, media, etc, need to stop calling both illegal alien immigrants and LEGAL immigrants, migrants UNDOCUMENTED, OR MIGRANTS, OR IMMIGRANTS. Grouping Illegal alien immigrants, and LEGAL Migrants, with the same name like undocumented, immigrants, Migrants causes incorrect data collection on both separate groups, causes both groups to be treated the same, as if they are the same, when they are not same, and should not be treated the same, should not have access to same things like insurance, welfare, etc, and it offends people like my Hispanic brother in law who came to USA legally with his parents, and wrongfully enables socialist, communist, marxist, far left radical leftist, anti capitalismist, to wrongfully cast those who support Legal Migrants but are anti Illegal Alien immigrants as racist, anti migrant, anti immigration, when they are not anti immigration.),

Illegal Alien Immigrants, should not be counted as part of the people who do not have health insurance, welfare, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc.

ONLY USA CITIZENS, VISA, GREEN CARD HOLDERS, PERMANENT USA RESIDENTS, LEGAL MIGRANTS, LEGAL TOURIST, LEGAL VISITORS TO USA, SHOULD BE COUNTED FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING WHAT PERCENT DO NOT HAVE HEALTH CARE, ETC.

Since Illegal Aliens are grouped into the term Migrants, undocument, that is used to refer to both illegal aliens immigrants, and LEGAL Migrants, and since then illegal Aliens immigrants are wrongfully factored into the percents of people that don't have health, insurance then in order to try to rightfully adjust, correct, get the right percent, then it is needful to remove a guessed about 7 to 13% from your 25% number, that Illegal Alien Immigrants wrongfully factor into a part of.

Thus 12 to 18% of people that can have health insurance, dont have health insurance.

Illegal Aliens should not have have health insurance, and instead that health insurance that illegal Alien Immigrants wrongfully have should be instead given, had by homeless that not illegal aliens immigrants, veterans, homeless vets, etc.


Get that Trump bullshit the hell out of here. Loser.
 
Interesting thread. Not the common fare, that's for sure. A couple thoughts.

- the homeless issue continues to grow in every major city and a lot of minor ones. Even cities with terrible winter weather, which traditionally had less of an issue. I live in SoCal, and it has been prominent for a long time here.
- I support the local homeless winter shelter pretty significantly. Without going into a lot of detail, the statistics in our area run along the lines of 30-40% of the homeless have mental issues, a bit more than that have substance abuse issues, and some of the people overlap the two groups and have both. I think the generally accepted statistic in our area is on the order of 60-65% have one or both issues...many of the rest are some combination of economic, disfunctional family or domestic violence related. Opioids are a big problem everywhere, but have almost gutted certain rural societies. Believe it or not they are not a monumental contributing factor in the homeless in my area (or if it is, that hasn't caught up with the data yet), but that is not true in some other areas.
- Until preventive medical care is available, including mental healthcare, along with transportation (the majority of homeless don't have a car), the problem will continue to get worse. During the '80's the federal mental health institutions were substantially dismantled. The states were supposed to pick up the ball and most did not.
- One approach to all this is to uncouple healthcare from employment, and include mental healthcare. There are many models available to consider (Canada, England, Germany and New Zealand come to mind as examples, as well as simply expanding Medicare) and each of them have problems...none is perfect. But it is also not perfect to have 15-30% of the people in your area not covered by health insurance...that is a public health emergency waiting to happen. And lest you challenge the 30% figure, consider for a moment the current debate about how many undocumented folks we actually have. There is a big argument in the greater LA basin right now as to whether we are closer to 1 or 2 million undocumented. If the 2 million figure is right, then we pretty much have to be at least 25% without health insurance...that is simply how the math works.


As for Albi, that whole situation is a political failure that will continue to cast embarrassment on any current political figure who touches it too often. As such, it will probably have to be an election football for the City Council and Mayor before anything serious will happen. Observer gave a good summary.

I didn't even go into a fraction of the things I know going on behind the scenes - I don't want to end up in the river or worse. Political football is a great phrase. That's what it all comes down to.
 
Interesting thread. Not the common fare, that's for sure. A couple thoughts.

As for Albi, that whole situation is a political failure that will continue to cast embarrassment on any current political figure who touches it too often. As such, it will probably have to be an election football for the City Council and Mayor before anything serious will happen. Observer gave a good summary.

No offense to Observer, but gibby provided the most thorough, thoughtful and fact-based analysis of the Jo Albi situation (below). And in only 4 posts. :rolleyes:

Albi is not “ten minutes from all hotels and restaurants.”
You’re still wrong.
Like all the links you’ve included?
Keep spouting off about things you know nothing about.
 
I didn't even go into a fraction of the things I know going on behind the scenes - I don't want to end up in the river or worse. Political football is a great phrase. That's what it all comes down to.

That doesn't surprise me (things going on behind the scenes). The "we know what is best and the minions should follow us like lemmings" and/or the "I'm going to profit from this but don't want the public to know" types of situations are not unusual. Perhaps Albi falls under some other description, but I get your drift. I've seen similar stuff over the decades when it came to the public financing things. A lot of "we know best", "anyone questioning us is stupid", etc., etc. Oh and hiring consultants (and architects) to put up "facts" and numbers that are bought and paid for to support the project. I pay you to prove that I am right. But hey public, the "outside" consultant agrees with us!

Problem is, the minions aren't as stupid as the insiders think, and it is their wallets paying the bills. Occasionally they see through the BS and lies.

Speaking of Albi - just what makes it so untenable for GSL football anyway? The turf? Replace it. The stands? Replace the best 1,000 seats and rope off the rest. Bathrooms, concessions? Wouldn't cost $30 million to replace those to serve the few hundred fans that come to games. I know that sounds tacky as hell, but this "Oh we have to completely remove everything and start over for $30 million" isn't the only option. Give the taxpayers all the options. Including doing nothing, except for any life/health/safety fixes. But then that would be honest and transparent.
 
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I may not have been referencing the stadium.

BTW, which zip code in Spokane do you live that you have such interest or insight?
 
That doesn't surprise me (things going on behind the scenes). The "we know what is best and the minions should follow us like lemmings" and/or the "I'm going to profit from this but don't want the public to know" types of situations are not unusual. Perhaps Albi falls under some other description, but I get your drift. I've seen similar stuff over the decades when it came to the public financing things. A lot of "we know best", "anyone questioning us is stupid", etc., etc. Oh and hiring consultants (and architects) to put up "facts" and numbers that are bought and paid for to support the project. I pay you to prove that I am right. But hey public, the "outside" consultant agrees with us!

Problem is, the minions aren't as stupid as the insiders think, and it is their wallets paying the bills. Occasionally they see through the BS and lies.

Speaking of Albi - just what makes it so untenable for GSL football anyway? The turf? Replace it. The stands? Replace the best 1,000 seats and rope off the rest. Bathrooms, concessions? Wouldn't cost $30 million to replace those to serve the few hundred fans that come to games. I know that sounds tacky as hell, but this "Oh we have to completely remove everything and start over for $30 million" isn't the only option. Give the taxpayers all the options. Including doing nothing, except for any life/health/safety fixes. But then that would be honest and transparent.

Do you mean like the City spending $15M on a pedestrian bridge to hookerville, I mean university area that happens to land right where Avista purchased a bunch of what had been run down cheap land?
 
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No offense to Observer, but gibby provided the most thorough, thoughtful and fact-based analysis of the Jo Albi situation (below). And in only 4 posts. :rolleyes:

Why don't you tell us about all the wonderful restaurants close to Albi. Identify more than one where you're unlikely to get stabbed in the parking lot or offered meth. Should be easy since you're a self-proclaimed expert. Fifteen minutes should be more than enough.
 
Do you like the City spending $15M on a pedestrian bridge to hookerville, I mean university area that happens to land right where Avista purchased a bunch of what had been run down cheap land?

That's exactly what I called it the other day- the bridge to hookerville.
 
I may not have been referencing the stadium.

BTW, which zip code in Spokane do you live that you have such interest or insight?

Well WTH? You mean you were talking about the homeless problem? Be more clear next time! :confused: Oh and formerly 99201. Speaking of homeless problems.

Why don't you tell us about all the wonderful restaurants close to Albi. Identify more than one where you're unlikely to get stabbed in the parking lot or offered meth. Should be easy since you're a self-proclaimed expert. Fifteen minutes should be more than enough.

OK you got me. Nothing is safe near Albi. I surrender. Good thing the downtown stadium plan doesn't include building a bunch of new playfields at the Albi site that will attract state and high profile (youth-focus implied) events. Because those innocent families might want to go get a bite to eat near Albi between games. And get knifed and sold meth while waiting for the ambulances.

And thank God they wouldn't want to put a new school on that seedy side of town.

Oh wait, the downtown plan includes exactly both of those.

Allright gibby, I'm done with this topic. I know, I said that a day or two ago, but it was just too much fun calling BS on you and your fact-less, one line "I know it all and you are stupid" posts. Now I'm serious. NO MORE ALBI for me.
 
So you don't live in Spokane now? How long ago was 99201? Between when and when? And I'm referencing Albi.

I formerly lived in 99163. Doesn't mean I know jack sh*t about the internal working of the town or it's economics other than Cougar football Saturday.
 
BTW, Downright Grill is safe and delicious within the radius. So you're welcome.

But gibby and I actually agree on the stadium stuff so that should say something.
 
Well WTH? You mean you were talking about the homeless problem? Be more clear next time! :confused: Oh and formerly 99201. Speaking of homeless problems.



OK you got me. Nothing is safe near Albi. I surrender. Good thing the downtown stadium plan doesn't include building a bunch of new playfields at the Albi site that will attract state and high profile (youth-focus implied) events. Because those innocent families might want to go get a bite to eat near Albi between games. And get knifed and sold meth while waiting for the ambulances.

And thank God they wouldn't want to put a new school on that seedy side of town.

Oh wait, the downtown plan includes exactly both of those.

Allright gibby, I'm done with this topic. I know, I said that a day or two ago, but it was just too much fun calling BS on you and your fact-less, one line "I know it all and you are stupid" posts. Now I'm serious. NO MORE ALBI for me.

You prove your obtuseness in every post. Then when you get called on it you take your ball and go home.
 
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You must admit, Downriver is delicious. And Flying Goat.

The Mexican place on the southwest side of NW Blvd. is pretty solid but walk fast to the car.
 
Get that Trump bullshit the hell out of here. Loser.

Hey it was another poster who brought up politics when he grouped illegal Alien immigrants and LEGAL immigrants into UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, OR MIGRANTS, OR IMMIGRANTS in order to determine what percentage of people dont have health insurance.

If you, him, others, dont want comments like mine, then real simple: STOP POSTING POLITICAL COMMENTS.

AND WHAT I SAID WAS FACTUAL, RIGHT TRUE.

And its not just politics but a matter of LAW AND ORDER.

WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS.

NOBODY SHOULD BE COMING HERE ILLEGALLY PERIOD.

AND ANYBODY COMING HERE ILLEGALLY SHOULD NOT GET HEALTH INSURANCE THAT SHOULD INSTEAD GO TO LEGAL CITIZENS, VISA, GREEN CARD, PERMANENT RESIDENTS, USA HOMELESS, VETS, ETC.

AND THAT IS NOT A SHT VIEW, NOT RACIST.

ITS THE FCKING TRUTH

HOW ABOUT YOU GET YOUR COMMUNIST, ANARCHIST, MARXIST, SOCIALIST, LAWLESSNESS, EXTREMIST SHT OUT OF HERE.

ALSO TYPICAL BEHAVIOR OF THOSE OF YOUR ILK.

WHENEVER SOMEBODY STANDS UP, SPEAKS TRUTH, FACTS, LAW, ORDER, JUSTICE, YOU WRONGLY CALL IT RACISM, SHT, AND TRY TO SHUT THEM UP.
 
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ALSO THOSE THAT COME HERE ILLEGALLY CAUSE THINGS LIKE:

HUMAN TRAFFICKING

BY STOPPING PEOPLE FROM COMING HERE ILLEGALLY, AND NOT ENCOURAGING THAT BY REWARDING WITH HEALTH INSURANCE

THAT IS A GREAT HUMANITARIAN SERVICE AND STOPS PAIN, INJURY, DEATH, DISEASE, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, SLAVERY, ETC.

AND IF YOU DONT THINK ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DOESNT CAUSE PAIN SUFFERING INJURY DEATH DISEASE HUMAN TRAFFICKING SLAVERY TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THEN YOUR A IGNORAMUS AND NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF.
 
So you don't live in Spokane now? How long ago was 99201? Between when and when? And I'm referencing Albi.
I formerly lived in 99163. Doesn't mean I know jack sh*t about the internal working of the town or it's economics other than Cougar football Saturday.

BTW, Downright Grill is safe and delicious within the radius. So you're welcome.

But gibby and I actually agree on the stadium stuff so that should say something.

99201 - not long ago. I wasn't in town long, and haven't been to Jo Albi in decades. But I'm not saying any more on that topic.

You prove your obtuseness in every post. Then when you get called on it you take your ball and go home.

I had to look up obtuse. I thought it was some sort of triangle. And see, gibby, this is why you annoy me. you call me obtuse (stupid), and say that I prove it in EVERY post. That is kind of mean, and also complete BS. I don't think I have ever seen you make a comment or state an opinion that is anything more than just a dismissal of someone else's point of view in favor of your own, with nothing behind it. Like this JA subject. You have said absolutely nothing in any thread about JA except to say others are stupid, you are right, and they are wrong. End of discussion. You don't need to back up your point of view, because you are a (typical) know it all lawyer.

Like above - I got called on it? Called on what? The fact that your divine plan is designed to bring many out of town youth into a section of town that you then describe as dangerous? How does that inconsistency make ME stupid?

Oh F-it. I'm not going to argue with a F-ing lawyer. I agree with Don Henley.
 
99201 - not long ago. I wasn't in town long, and haven't been to Jo Albi in decades. But I'm not saying any more on that topic.



I had to look up obtuse. I thought it was some sort of triangle. And see, gibby, this is why you annoy me. you call me obtuse (stupid), and say that I prove it in EVERY post. That is kind of mean, and also complete BS. I don't think I have ever seen you make a comment or state an opinion that is anything more than just a dismissal of someone else's point of view in favor of your own, with nothing behind it. Like this JA subject. You have said absolutely nothing in any thread about JA except to say others are stupid, you are right, and they are wrong. End of discussion. You don't need to back up your point of view, because you are a (typical) know it all lawyer.

Like above - I got called on it? Called on what? The fact that your divine plan is designed to bring many out of town youth into a section of town that you then describe as dangerous? How does that inconsistency make ME stupid?

Oh F-it. I'm not going to argue with a F-ing lawyer. I agree with Don Henley.

I’ve driven through Davenport multiple times. Tomorrow in my grand magnificence, I shall pontificate as to what should be done with said building.

PS- you suck at quitting.
 
ALSO THOSE THAT COME HERE ILLEGALLY CAUSE THINGS LIKE:

HUMAN TRAFFICKING

BY STOPPING PEOPLE FROM COMING HERE ILLEGALLY, AND NOT ENCOURAGING THAT BY REWARDING WITH HEALTH INSURANCE

THAT IS A GREAT HUMANITARIAN SERVICE AND STOPS PAIN, INJURY, DEATH, DISEASE, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, SLAVERY, ETC.

AND IF YOU DONT THINK ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DOESNT CAUSE PAIN SUFFERING INJURY DEATH DISEASE HUMAN TRAFFICKING SLAVERY TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THEN YOUR A IGNORAMUS AND NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF.

Legal citizens mailed bombs to politicians and news orgs.

Legal citizens shoot up our schools, concerts, clubs, churches, movie theaters, and public parks.

Where is your outrage over those events?
 
Dumbass ramblings of someone who doesn't care about actual facts don't warrant measured responses.

FACT IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO COME HERE ILLEGALLY.

FACT IMMIGRANTS SHOULD OBEY THE LAW, AND NOT COME HERE ILLEGALLY

FACT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT DO BREAK THE LAW BY COMING HERE ILLEGALLY, SHOULD BE STOPPED FROM COMING HERE ILLEGALLY.

FACT ICE LEGALLY EXIST CREATED BY DEMOCRATS AS WELL, USED BY DEMOCRAT OBAMA MORE THEN ANY USA PRESIDENT IN USA HISTORY, EXIST TO DEAL WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

I STATE THE FACTS, CARE ABOUT FACTS.

YOUR THE ONE WHO DOESNT CARE ABOUT FACTS
 
Legal citizens mailed bombs to politicians and news orgs.

Legal citizens shoot up our schools, concerts, clubs, churches, movie theaters, and public parks.

Where is your outrage over those events?

ANYBODY WHO BREAKS THE LAW, WHETHER IT BE A LEGAL CITIZEN, OR A ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT BREAKING THE LAW, BY COMING HERE ILLEGALLY SHOULD BE DEALT WITH ACCORDING TO THE LAW.

My HISPANIC HISPANIC BROTHER IN LAW CAME HERE LEGALLY.

IF IMMIGRANTS COME HERE LEGALLY THEY SHOULD, WOULD BE WELCOMED.

THOUSANDS, MILLIONS OF IMMIGRANTS HAVE COME HERE LEGALLY LIKE MY BROTHER IN LAW.

AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CAN COME HERE LEGALLY, INSTEAD OF ILLEGALLY.

AND IF ITS TOO HARD TO COME HERE LEGALLY, THEN THE LEGAL IMMIGRATION LAWS WOULD NEED TO MAKE IT EASIER TO COME HERE LEGALLY.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS NEED TO COME HERE LEGALLY LIKE ALL THE OTHER THOUSANDS, MILLIONS OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO COME HERE LEGALLY
 
ALSO LIKE I SAID IF YOU DONT WANT COMMENTS LIKE MINE, THEN YOU, CRAZYCALIFORNIA SHOULDNT MAKE POLITICAL COMMENTS ABOUT GROUPING ILLEGAL AND LEGAL IMMIGRANT INTO 1 NAMED GROUP, IN ORDER TO SHOW PERCENT OF PEOPLE THAT ON HEALTHCARE INSURANCE
 
AND IF YOUR GOING TO TRY TO SHUT UP OPPOSING VIEWS, CALL THEM DUMBASSES, ETC, THEN YOUR THE DUMBASS THAT SHOULD BE SHUT UP.

ITS THE BLACK PANTHER, ANTIFAH, HATE, TERRORIST, ANARCHIST, COMMY'S, CAL BERKLY IDIOTS, YOU, ETC, THAT TRY TO SHUT UP, BEAT UP, KILL PEOPLE,ETC

MEANWHILE THE MODERATES, CENTRIST, SEMI CONSERVATIVES, INDEPENDENTS, LIBERTARIANS, CONSTITUTIONALIST, ETC, THAT GET ATTACKED, BEAT UP, KILLED, ETC, BY IDIOTS LIKE YOU, ALL THE WHILE LISTENING TO, NOT TRYING TO SHUT UP, NOT TRYING BEAT UP, ETC, IDIOTS LIKE YOU, BLACK PANTHERS, ANTIFAH, ETC, ALL THE WHILE PROVING, REFUTING, REBUTTLING, ETC, LIKE YOU, BLACK PANTHERS, ANTIFAH, ANARCHIST, COMMY'S, ETC, WRONG.
 
The things you can learn by actually going to Albi....

I’ve driven through Davenport multiple times. Tomorrow in my grand magnificence, I shall pontificate as to what should be done with said building.

PS- you suck at quitting.

I was going to say in one of these posts that I will try to go by Albi and check it out. And it took me a minute get the Davenport reference - thought you were talking to our unhinged thread friend who harkens from out that way.

And the PS made me laugh. So peace. :cool:
 
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