Apples to Apple comparison, WSU still only has 25 points in the sports it offers (points scored in Women's Soccer). That puts the school squarely in last place behind schools like Utah and Oregon State and Colorado.
Grade the athletic dept this year
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You do realize the presidents cup has as much to do with how many sports you compete in as anything else right? Even in years where we do pretty well overall in all sports we will be near the bottom of that. It is why Stanford always wins it. They compete in virtually all sports possible (water polo, lacrosse, field hockey, etc) while we run what, 17? We are at the minimum or close for being a FBS team.
Still in last place with an apples to apples comparison between only those sports in which WSU competes. Carve off the water polos and lacrosse, and the Cougs are the worst performing Power 5 school in the country.
Honestly, I don't know that. Apples to apples means NEW MEXICO is beating out half the pac and approximately 190 other schools in the nation. THAT is sad and the Conference of Champions should be ashamed
Unless the "Cup" is full of crap.
So this "cup" talk had me doing a little looking into some of these smaller schools. Started with New Mexico and it branched off from there… This dove-tails into some of the other issues on this board about "Why doesn't WSU do this, or that?" to engage more alumni or supporters. I've always said, it's about the money. So anyways, the Cup is generically based on 10 men's sports, 10 women's. Yet there are soooo many smaller schools, in smaller divisions, doing so much better than WSU… Why is that? So I looked.
First, lets define WSU's scholarship programs.
WSU has 15 scholarship programs, total.
Other schools and programs that are beating WSU out in the "Cup" list?
New Mexico (20th): 21 scholarship programs
Illinois State (41): 17
New Hampshire (41): 18
Iona College (50): 17 *doesn't even have a football program
Coastal Carolina (60): 17
And I'll just stop with the University of Denver (63). They have the same number of scholarship programs as WSU… 15. Didn't even know U of D existed until I started looking at this list a little closer but they can support the same number of scholarships as WSU. All I can say? Wow.
I don't even know how to begin to express how this makes me feel but it isn't real good. We can talk finances, which we all know is the reason we don't have LaCrosse (men's or women's), Gymnastics (men's or women's), men's swimming, men's tennis, men's soccer, women's softball, water polo (men's or women's) etc. etc. So many of these programs would have the smallest "overhead" as we have the court, field, pool, whatever for each sport. It's the coaches, it's the scholarships, it's the ability to recruit for them… the day to day operations cost. But anyways, I guess my main point… If this isn't a prime example that WSU is really struggling financially, I don't know what else I could point to, to show this. This, IMHO, is an indication of long term, financial weakness. Once we get out of the financial "red" (right now, we are in a $10.1 million hole), utilize the PAC 12 money we get after that, we might be able to start doing… SOMETHING. But I also think this highlights how dirt poor we really are. I don't know anyone else's budget, don't know anything about those schools so I'm sure there are various logical reasons but this should really make everyone sit up in their chair a little.
WSU needs support now. Not once the football program picks up… Just my .02 worth. Blast away.
This post was edited on 4/6 3:09 PM by Coug95man2
First, lets define WSU's scholarship programs.
WSU has 15 scholarship programs, total.
Other schools and programs that are beating WSU out in the "Cup" list?
New Mexico (20th): 21 scholarship programs
Illinois State (41): 17
New Hampshire (41): 18
Iona College (50): 17 *doesn't even have a football program
Coastal Carolina (60): 17
And I'll just stop with the University of Denver (63). They have the same number of scholarship programs as WSU… 15. Didn't even know U of D existed until I started looking at this list a little closer but they can support the same number of scholarships as WSU. All I can say? Wow.
I don't even know how to begin to express how this makes me feel but it isn't real good. We can talk finances, which we all know is the reason we don't have LaCrosse (men's or women's), Gymnastics (men's or women's), men's swimming, men's tennis, men's soccer, women's softball, water polo (men's or women's) etc. etc. So many of these programs would have the smallest "overhead" as we have the court, field, pool, whatever for each sport. It's the coaches, it's the scholarships, it's the ability to recruit for them… the day to day operations cost. But anyways, I guess my main point… If this isn't a prime example that WSU is really struggling financially, I don't know what else I could point to, to show this. This, IMHO, is an indication of long term, financial weakness. Once we get out of the financial "red" (right now, we are in a $10.1 million hole), utilize the PAC 12 money we get after that, we might be able to start doing… SOMETHING. But I also think this highlights how dirt poor we really are. I don't know anyone else's budget, don't know anything about those schools so I'm sure there are various logical reasons but this should really make everyone sit up in their chair a little.
WSU needs support now. Not once the football program picks up… Just my .02 worth. Blast away.
This post was edited on 4/6 3:09 PM by Coug95man2
