Guards

[7ICoug]

Clearly a glaring need the last month or more of the season. Bonton was very good the entire pac12 season. TJ came on fairly strong while making some frosh errors. Getting Jefferson back from injury, getting the transfer "ghost" in will help a bunch. Miles Rice is also more of a pure point.

Speed is the need and ball handling. The above seem to fill this need.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Yep, never had a true PG this year. That was supposed to be Koulibaly's role. Bonton, Williams, and Rapp did the best they could but are/were better suited not having to direct the offense.

Glad Cougar

 

[mikalalas]

Next Year the Guard Corp is:

PG: 1. Jefferson, 2. Warren, 3. Myles Rice. 4. Transfer(Ghost)

SG: 1. Bonton, 2. Noah, 3. Jefferson, 4. TJ Bamba, 5. Transfer(Ghost), 6. Rapp.

3/Wing Guard:

1. Noah, 2. Bamba, 3. Rapp, 4. AJ. 5. Rosario

Guard Corp has:

Bonton, Noah, Jefferson, Bamba, Transfer(Ghost), Rapp, Myles Rice, Warren, Rosario(6ft 6.5 in, 7 in, 7.5 in, 2,3/G/F/Stretch 4, HYBRID, that can play all positions except PG, Center).

With Bonton thats 9 Guards, without Bonton, 8 guards, without Rapp, but with Bonton, 8 guards, but without Bonton, 7 guards, without Warren, but with Bonton, Rapp, thats 8 Guards, without Bonton, 7 guards, without all 3 of Warren, Rapp, Bonton, thats 6 guards.

So worst case scenario have at least 6 guards.

PG, is in good hands, as either Jefferson, Bonton, Transfer(Ghost), Warren, Myles Rice, will get the PG spot, job done.

SG is in good hands with either Bonton, Noah, Transfer(Ghost), Bamba.

3/G/F Spot is in good hands with either Noah, Bamba, Rosario, Rapp.

Rapp at 6 ft, 5 in needs to play the 3 or be benched, or transfer. While Rapp can pass effectively at PG, and while Rapp can semi kind of semi score semi effectively at SG, Rapp is SLOW AS MOLASSES, and because of that either needs to play the 3, or be benched, transfer.

Problem is that while Rapp would be good at the 3 spot, Bamba, Noah, Rosario, are better for thec3 spot then Rapp.

Noah would be 1st choice for 3, IF others players are needed at 2, SG, instead of Noah, to make room for a different guard at PG. Otherwise Noah would be a SG.

If Noah plays the 2, SG, then Bamba would be the 2nd choice at 3, because has more experience, and probably better then Rosario.

That said, Rosario(6ft 7 in), can play the 2,3,stretch 4 spots as a HYBRID.

Rosario's only problems is that he is inexperienced, and probably not as good as Bamba.

But IF Rosario ends up being better then Bamba, and ends up more experienced, gets more playing, starting time, at the 3 Spot, then Rosario would be the almost perfect, prototypical 3, better then Bamba.

Really WSU should be fine at the guard spots, especially with Bonton, but even without Bonton, the Guard Corp at the Guard Spots will be fine by midseason at the latest.

Things may or may not look good at the start of next season at the guard spots, but if that happens, that will be deceiving, and the guards, guard spots will be just fine.

Because of this Kyle Smith, really does not need to get more Guard recruits, since he, Smith got the Transfer(Ghost), guard.

What WSU needs now is a CENTER recruit that is 6ft 11.5 in, 250 pounds.

 

[jourdand]

How is the transfer going to score between 7-13 or 9-15 your predictions which were in the same post if he is the number 4 option at point and number 5 option at shooting guard? More importantly is why you would think Warren would move All the way up to being the back up point guard ahead of Rapp who obviously was coaches choice this year as back up. Also why would Rapp leave for playing time and not Bamba? Coach played Rapp more than Bamba and started Rapp ahead of Bamba most games when a guard was out.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

How is the transfer going to score between 7-13 or 9-15 your predictions which were in the same post if he is the number 4 option at point and number 5 option at shooting guard? More importantly is why you would think Warren would move All the way up to being the back up point guard ahead of Rapp who obviously was coaches choice this year as back up. Also why would Rapp leave for playing time and not Bamba? Coach played Rapp more than Bamba and started Rapp ahead of Bamba most games when a guard was out.

We need an Aron Baynes clone! Haha.

 

[mikalalas]

How is the transfer going to score between 7-13 or 9-15 your predictions which were in the same post if he is the number 4 option at point and number 5 option at shooting guard? More importantly is why you would think Warren would move All the way up to being the back up point guard ahead of Rapp who obviously was coaches choice this year as back up. Also why would Rapp leave for playing time and not Bamba? Coach played Rapp more than Bamba and started Rapp ahead of Bamba most games when a guard was out.

1. RAPP is SLOW AS MOLASSES, which he DEMONSTRATED vs ASU and others.

2. Warren is fast, good lateral quickness, good defense, good passer. Warren is better an or is going to be better then Rapp. And I think Smith learns from how SLOW Rapp is, and moves Rapp down the depth chart accordingly next season.

3. I could see Rapp losing his scholly to other better players, and transfering because of it.

4. If for some strange reason, Jefferson, The Transfer, Rice is not up to the PG job, I can easily see Warren stepping in, being preffered
at the PG over Rapp, who is too SLOW.

5. The Transfer is about the #3, #4 at each of the guard spots. He has a chance to be starter, but its like that the Transfer gets about 16 minutes to about 27 minutes off the bench at one or more of the guard spots wherever Smith can squeeze him in. He will average about 7 to 13 ppg his 1st year, 6 ppg at extreme ultimate minimum. His 2nd year, he will move up the depth charts and either start or be a 6th man off the bench, 27 to 35 minutes per gane, and about 10 to 15 ppg his 2nd year.

6.Bamba is not going to leave for more playing time. He is the #2, #3 option at both the 2,3 spots, Smith will findca way to squeeze him in, get him minutes. Bamba really came on somewhere between mid to end of season. Showed flashes at times of his potential upside. He will get about 14 to 25 minutes per game, at wherever Smith can find room for him at either the 2 or 3 spot. And at 6ft 5 in, very fast, explosive, athletic, lateral quickness, etc, he could develop into the starter, or a 6th man off the bench for instant production, at the 3 spot by the end of the year.

Thats what Bamba can reasonably expect, and thats good enough to keep Bamba from Transfering.

7. Unless Rapp improves and somehow is either the #1 or #2 at the 3 spot, Rapp will only get about 8 to 13 minutes per game at either the 2,3 spots. Or at least thats all he should get because pf how SLOW he is. And thats why he could transfer.

8. No way in heck should Bamba Transfer over Rapp, as Bamba is WAY BETTER then Rapp. ASU, Remy, Verge, etc, really exposed why Rapp is SUCH A LIABILITY, as SLOW as he RAPP is.

9. The transfer candidates are or should be Warren(IF IF he is not needed to play PG), and Rapp(If he doesnt play, not needed at 3)

Chatfield, Miller, Kunc could be other transfer candidates goven how good AJ, Dischon, Efe, Vova are.

 

[jourdand]

AJ struggled big time down the stretch and his playing time all but completely dried up. Talk about slow as molasses AJ is very slow of foot. Not sure how he feels about Pullman and the college game but it wouldn’t shock me if he heads home to play pro ball.
Rapp played 20 mins a game, Bamba 13, Warren and Rosario hardly saw the floor. They all could make huge gains like Noah did but obviously Rapp and Bamba have the inside track for playing time.

 

[mikalalas]

AJ struggled big time down the stretch and his playing time all but completely dried up. Talk about slow as molasses AJ is very slow of foot. Not sure how he feels about Pullman and the college game but it wouldn’t shock me if he heads home to play pro ball.
Rapp played 20 mins a game, Bamba 13, Warren and Rosario hardly saw the floor. They all could make huge gains like Noah did but obviously Rapp and Bamba have the inside track for playing time.

But AJ is NOT a guard, 3. Sure when WSU wants to go VERY BIG, WSU can, and has gone with AJ as a temporary situational starter at the 3 spot.

But that said, because AJ is slower then Rapp, you usually dint want to have AJ at the 3.

Because there is Efe, Dischon; Vova, IN FRONT OF AJ, and since it isvAJ's first year, thats why he did good at the beginning, and then got replaced.

AJ is 6 ft 8 in, and is a HYBRID 4, that can play stretch 4, 4, 3 spots.

His best spot though is at the stretch 4, PF/4 spots. Problem is that Efe, and Kunc, have been in front of him.

But EVENTUALLY Kunc will either grad, move on, etc, and AJ will develop, where by AJ's Junior, Senior Year, he will get good minutes at the 4 spot.

So AJ's slowness doesnt hurt him as much as it hurts Rapp, because AJ doesnt have to guard guards atvthe 2,3 spots like Rapp would.

Rapp might go through a temporary stretch where he gets 17 to 20 minutes per game, like you said, but eventually his minutes will dwindle down to 8 to 13 minutes, as his SLOWNESS gets EXPOSED, and he becomes a LIABILITY against the ALLEN IVERSON ANKLE BREAKING TYPES, and as he eventually gets replaced by the Transfer guard Tyrell Roberts at the PG, SG, and or by Bamba, Jefferson, etc.

 

[jourdand]

My personal feeling is Rapp is not going to be a regular starter at WSU but will continue o be the primary back up to Jefferson at the point next year and Noah at the shooting guard. He will get roughly the same minutes imo. AJ will play 3 and 4 and I wasn’t unhappy with him playing the point forward.

 

[mikalalas]

My personal feeling is Rapp is not going to be a regular starter at WSU but will continue o be the primary back up to Jefferson at the point next year and Noah at the shooting guard. He will get roughly the same minutes imo. AJ will play 3 and 4 and I wasn’t unhappy with him playing the point forward.

Rapp will not be ahead of Tyrell Roberts the Transfer.

Jefferson will be the PG. If Jefferson for some strange reason doesnt getvthe job done at PG, then if Bonton comes back Bonton will be the PG, until Tyrell Roberts the Transfer becomes the PG, moving Bonton to the 2 spot. If Bonton doesnt come back, and if Jefferson doesnt pan out, then Tyrell Roberts becomes the PG. If Tyrell Roberts doesnt pan out, then Warren or Rice become PG, if that doesnt work, THEN RAPP becomes PG.

RAPP IS TO EFFIN SLOW TO GUARD ALLEN IVERSON ANKLE BREAKING TYPES AT THE PG spot.

Rapp only averaged about 5 ppg, and the only reason he seemed ok on defense, is because of his hard work, technique, etc, AGAINST LESSER PLAYERS. But as soon as Rapp guarded, was guarded by the best Allen Iverson types, he gpt EXPOSED, beat.

Basically Rapp is another NICK WITHERALL, Nick Witheral wasnt started, didnt play at PG and neither should Rapp, unless there is no other choice, option.

The only way that Rapp should get any playing time is at the 3 spot, where Rapps Slowness is less of a liability then it is at the PG spot. Keep Nick Witheral ER RAPP from the PG spot until no other choice. And 9 to 17 minutes TOPS.

Jefferson, Bonton, Tyrell Roberts, Myles Rice, belong at the PG spot over RAPP.

 

[SaveFerris]

My personal feeling is Rapp is not going to be a regular starter at WSU but will continue o be the primary back up to Jefferson at the point next year and Noah at the shooting guard. He will get roughly the same minutes imo. AJ will play 3 and 4 and I wasn’t unhappy with him playing the point forward.

Jakimovski's favorite player is Luka Dončić so I'm sure it's something he wants to do. International players typically take some time to adjust to the game in the US. Brock Motum as a true frosh wasn't ready for the speed. He caught up over the first couple of years and ended up having a good NBA Summer League run. No guarantee but I expect Jakimovski's game to improve a lot freshman to sophomore.

 

[jourdand]

Allen Iverson types? How many Allen Iverson types are there floating around out there? There are 4 guys on our team that scored 4 and 8 points a game that you think are going to be playing in the NBA someday, so Rapp must be on his way.

I hope the transfer comes in and contributes instantly but there is a huge difference between D2 and D1 basketball. Size, speed and talent is way better in the power JC conferences.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Warren will be a walkon senior next year. Rapp will be a scholarship junior next year. (Both retain a year of eligibility like everyone else this year). Who is more likely to show growth as a player? Personally, I don't think Rapp is as slow as some people perceive....and his long arms and smarts often result in a better defensive matchup than a player like Warren, who has short arms and really isn't that much quicker than Rapp. This is especially true when you factor in the zone defense WSU plays a lot of the time, specifically when the 6'5" Rapp is playing at the top of the zone. And to compare Ryan Rapp with Nick Witherill? That's ridiculous. Those guys have nothing in common except that they are both white. When did Withrill score 15 points or dish out 8 assists in a game? It's too easy to employ the usual stereotypes and not really look at the facts....using logic, like Mr. Spock would use. Lodwick = Rapp = Witheriill? That's illogical. Nonetheless, Smith really likes Rapp and if he sees the value of giving him a role on this team, I'm okay with it.

My prediction: Myles Warren will see precious few minutes next year as Roberts, Rice, and Koulibaly join the rotation. I thank Warren for his contributions this year but there's a reason he's a walkon and didn't play much in conference games even with the injuries/COVID situation that left us short in the backcourt at times. I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but if anyone transfers from the program right now, it's Warren, not Rapp.

Glad Cougar

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Warren will be a walkon senior next year. Rapp will be a scholarship junior next year. (Both retain a year of eligibility like everyone else this year). Who is more likely to show growth as a player? Personally, I don't think Rapp is as slow as some people perceive....and his long arms and smarts often result in a better defensive matchup than a player like Warren, who has short arms and really isn't that much quicker than Rapp. This is especially true when you factor in the zone defense WSU plays a lot of the time, specifically when the 6'5" Rapp is playing at the top of the zone. And to compare Ryan Rapp with Nick Witherill? That's ridiculous. Those guys have nothing in common except that they are both white. When did Withrill score 15 points or dish out 8 assists in a game? It's too easy to employ the usual stereotypes and not really look at the facts....using logic, like Mr. Spock would use. Lodwick = Rapp = Witheriill? That's illogical. Nonetheless, Smith really likes Rapp and if he sees the value of giving him a role on this team, I'm okay with it.

My prediction: Myles Warren will see precious few minutes next year as Roberts, Rice, and Koulibaly join the rotation. I thank Warren for his contributions this year but there's a reason he's a walkon and didn't play much in conference games even with the injuries/COVID situation that left us short in the backcourt at times. I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but if anyone transfers from the program right now, it's Warren, not Rapp.

Glad Cougar

"Those guys have nothing in common except that they are both white."

Haha!

 

[mikalalas]

Warren will be a walkon senior next year. Rapp will be a scholarship junior next year. (Both retain a year of eligibility like everyone else this year). Who is more likely to show growth as a player? Personally, I don't think Rapp is as slow as some people perceive....and his long arms and smarts often result in a better defensive matchup than a player like Warren, who has short arms and really isn't that much quicker than Rapp. This is especially true when you factor in the zone defense WSU plays a lot of the time, specifically when the 6'5" Rapp is playing at the top of the zone. And to compare Ryan Rapp with Nick Witherill? That's ridiculous. Those guys have nothing in common except that they are both white. When did Withrill score 15 points or dish out 8 assists in a game? It's too easy to employ the usual stereotypes and not really look at the facts....using logic, like Mr. Spock would use. Lodwick = Rapp = Witheriill? That's illogical. Nonetheless, Smith really likes Rapp and if he sees the value of giving him a role on this team, I'm okay with it.

My prediction: Myles Warren will see precious few minutes next year as Roberts, Rice, and Koulibaly join the rotation. I thank Warren for his contributions this year but there's a reason he's a walkon and didn't play much in conference games even with the injuries/COVID situation that left us short in the backcourt at times. I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but if anyone transfers from the program right now, it's Warren, not Rapp.

Glad Cougar

I'm not saying Warren is great, good, etc. I'm just saying that at the PG spot, Warren is, would be faster, have more lateral quickness then Rapp.

I dont want either 1 of them at PG.

The reason I compared Rapp to Witherill, and Lodwick, is because they were also SLOW, bad lateral quickness, just like Rapp. Other then that, your right that Witherill is not like Rapp.

Lodwick is more like Rapp, because he also had long arms, technique, smarts, etc, just like Rapp.

Lodwick was a 3, but the reason Bone played him at the 4, was because WSU really didnt have depth at the 4, and Lodwick was to slow to play the 3.

It took Lodwick until his Junior or Senior year to be semi good. In that way Rapp and Lodwick are also similar, in that if play Rapp at the 3 spot, then by the time Rapp is a Senior, he might be semi good, ok, at the 3 Spot.

Rapp's long arms, and Smarts, and defensive techniques, would serve him, WSU well at the 3 Spot, against Wings, as Wings are not as fast Laterally as PG's, and usually are not like a Iverson type.

The other factor as you said, and as I also said, is that there is Jefferson, Tyrell Roberts, the Transfer, maybe Bonton, if he comes back, and if Jefferson, an or Roberts are either injured or not good enough at PG.

Myles Rice and Rapp are probably tied for at the bottom of the PG spot.

I agree that warren should transfer, and that he will sit behind all the PG's, at bottom of PG spot. But he Warren is FASTER then Rapp, and I woukd rather have Warren defending a Iverson type, over Rapp defending a Iverson type.

But that is mute, because they both are at the bottom of the PG spot.

Rapp should be playing behind either Bamba, Noah, if Noah isnt at the 2 spot, Rosario and Rapp are probably tied at the 3 spot.

Rapp should get about 9 to 17 minutes max per game at the 3 spot, NOT the PG spot, defending Iverson types(which are a lot more common, then Jourdand thinks(when I refer to a Iverson type, I refer to a PG or SG or combo guard that has good lateral quickness, athleticism, speed, that is shifty, that can figuratively break defender ankles, etc(Verge and Remy are good examples, and they were driving on Rapp, Exposing Rapps SLOWNESS, all game long)

 

[mikalalas]

Allen Iverson types? How many Allen Iverson types are there floating around out there? There are 4 guys on our team that scored 4 and 8 points a game that you think are going to be playing in the NBA someday, so Rapp must be on his way.

I hope the transfer comes in and contributes instantly but there is a huge difference between D2 and D1 basketball. Size, speed and talent is way better in the power JC conferences.

1. By Iverson types, I mean those who are fast, speedy, athletic, laterally quick, shifty, good crossover dribble, good first step, explosive, can juke the defender, figuratively breaks defenders ankles, can beat defenders off the dribble and drive.

There are plenty of those types, Verge, Remy are examples that exposed Rapps Slowness all game long.

2. You are partially misremembering and misrepresenting what I have said about what, which players are POTENTIAL FUTURE POTENTIAL NBA PROSPECTS.

A. EFE, Yes Efe has averaged about 8,9 points, but has also average 8,9,10 rebounds, plays good defense. Also Efe has had some monster games, and is only a freshman, and Efe shut down and scored about 13 points against USC's Mobley(Who is projected to be a Top 2 lottery pick in NBA draft)

Its pretty obvious to everybody but you that EFE is a potential future potential NBA prospect.

2. Dischon Jackson

He has scored about 8 a game, and about 8,9,10 rebounds, about 1 block, 1 steal, plays good defense, has good post moves.

Dischon scored 17 vs Mobley in the USC game and also shut him down. Also Dischon used to hold his own vs USC's Mobley in AAU.

Dischon has had some monster games.

Dischon was honorable mention all freshman team and was in the running, race for Pac 12 freshman of the year.

Also keep in mind that UCLA's past 5 star PG Jrue Holiday only averaged about 7,8,9 per game, and entered the NBA draft after his freshmen year, and was drafted in the 1st round of the NBA draft, so your point about only getting 8 points per game is a mute moot point.

Pretty sure it was Jrue Holiday, but just in case it isnt, maybe I am thinking of another player, that maybe I am confusing, mistaking for Jrue Holiday.

C. Noah Williams

Not gona bother to make the case for Noah, as you should be able to see why Noah is a potential future potential NBA Prospect.

D. Same with Bonton.

E. AJ. When AJ has gotten the minutes, he has averaged about 8 to 10 to 12 a game. He has had some good games. I thought he was a lock to be a potential future NBA Prospect SINCE HE TURNED DOWN A PRO CONTRACT TO PLAY AT WSU TO GO ALONG WITH BEING ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATED RECRUITS IN ALL OF WSU'S ENTIRE HISTORY.

He may or may not pan out, and or he may take some time to pan out. Motum was a borderline fringe NBA/Overseas player, prospect, and it took both Motum and Baynes time to develop. The same can be true for AJ.

As of now I would say that Efe, Dischon, Noah, Bonton are 3,4 POTENTIAL FUTURE POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA PROSPECTS ON PAPER.

3. Tyrell Roberts.

20 points per game and 45 points in a single game at the D2 level(which is the equivalent to the JC level) translates to about 6 to 11 points per game, 2,3,4 assist, at the D1, P5, Pac 12 level during his freshman year, and about 9 to 17 in his junior year.

Also his D2 team is now a D1 team.

Also SJSU, Creighton NCAA tourny team programs both either were interested an or offered him. WSU was lucky that he didnt goto SJSU.

That SJSU and Creighton showed interest an or offered SPEAKS VOLUMES.

Also he is recognized as the best D2 player in all of D2.

Also he has won so many awards and accolades.

He is comparable to Dominic Ellison.

He may or may not start out slow, need to adjust, but by the end of the season to next season at the latest, Tyrell Roberts will probay either be starting PG, or be a 6th man off bench type of PG.

Certainly is better, will be better then Rapp.

Only Jefferson is higher then Tyrell Roberts at the PG spot, if he Jefferson pans out.

 

[jourdand]

None of those players, that’s right none of those players other than Bonton is ranked in the top 50 players in their class. Noah had a great weekend and will have a solid career at WSU but he better make another huge jump in his game if wants to play in the NBA. Efe has the athletic ability but is missing way to many things in his game at this point but those are thinks he can learn if he puts in the work but still a long long shot to play in the league. Dishon very young and improving all the time but I don’t see the athleticism of a NBA player. You mention that he is all PAC 12 freshmen honorable mention as a freshmen. You do realize you have to be a freshmen to be on that team? It only means there are 7 or 8 freshmen ahead of him in our league alone. Also I understand you like to just make stuff up but go back and look at the stats for USC game and I find no time where Mobley and Dishon played in aau. Dishon played for Nor Cal elite from Northern California and Mobley played for the Compton magic in southern Cali. Can’t find they were ever even at same tourneys but I didn’t take the time to look at every tourney
just the big ones.

 

[jourdand]

Okay I’ll save you the time because looking up facts is not your strong point. Mobley had 20 pts, 11 rebounds and 6 blocks in the game he got dominated in. Lmao

 

[mikalalas]

None of those players, that’s right none of those players other than Bonton is ranked in the top 50 players in their class. Noah had a great weekend and will have a solid career at WSU but he better make another huge jump in his game if wants to play in the NBA. Efe has the athletic ability but is missing way to many things in his game at this point but those are thinks he can learn if he puts in the work but still a long long shot to play in the league. Dishon very young and improving all the time but I don’t see the athleticism of a NBA player. You mention that he is all PAC 12 freshmen honorable mention as a freshmen. You do realize you have to be a freshmen to be on that team? It only means there are 7 or 8 freshmen ahead of him in our league alone. Also I understand you like to just make stuff up but go back and look at the stats for USC game and I find no time where Mobley and Dishon played in aau. Dishon played for Nor Cal elite from Northern California and Mobley played for the Compton magic in southern Cali. Can’t find they were ever even at same tourneys but I didn’t take the time to look at every tourney
just the big ones.

THE GAME ANNOUNCERS, BROADCAST CREW, SAID THAT DISCHON HELD HIS OWN VS MOBLEY IN AAU.

IF THEY ARE WRONG I AM WRONG .As far as Dischon/Efe shutting down Mobley. There are 2 USC games. Also for a lot of the game Mobley was at about between only at 9 to 11 to 13 points. It was the GAME ANNOUNCERS who said that Dischon, and Efe were limiting, shutting down, defending Mobley well. And they were right, Dischon was blocking, contesting Mobley's shots.

Getting 6,7,8,9,10 points in the about final 3 to 6 to 9 minutes of the game to finish at 20 points instead of 9 to 11 to 13 points, does not mean that the Announcers were wrong about Mobley being defended well by EFe and Dischon for most to almost the whole game.

Also Mobley scored some of those points either when EFe, Dischon werent in the game, and even when Efe, Dischon were in the game, some of those points that Mobkey scored were scored on other WSU players instead of on EFE, Dischon.

Pretty much for most to almost the whole game, whenever Efe, Dischon were on, defending Mobley, they limited him, shut him down, defended him well, 1 on 1 against him.

Obviously Vova, and AJ, and the other WSU players didnt do as good of a job against Mobley as Efe, Dischon did.

Also as good as Efe, Dischon did vs Mobley, you cant stop a LOTTERY PICK FOREVER, as eventually they will get their points eventually or they wouldnt be a PROJECTED LOTTERY PICK.

Also Dischon scored 17 on Mobley.

At least thats what the announcers said

If they are wrong, I am wrong.

If they are right, I am right.

 

[jourdand]

Efe came from the NBA academy in Australia as far as I know he didn’t play any AAU ball. You are right Mobley had 13 points right before he had 14 points and just prior to having 15,16,17,18,19and 20

 

[mikalalas]

Efe came from the NBA academy in Australia as far as I know he didn’t play any AAU ball. You are right Mobley had 13 points right before he had 14 points and just prior to having 15,16,17,18,19and 20

No I wasnt talking about Efe, I was talking about Dischon Jackson

According to the game announcers they said that Dischon held his own vs Mobley in AAU.

 

[mikalalas]

I double checked and I did apparently accident say the Announcers said that Efe played Mobley in AAU.

I must have had a brain fart at the time.


I meant Dischon. I know that Efe came from overseas.

I edited corrected the earlier post to say that the announcers said thst Dischon had played held his own vs Mobley in AAU play.

 

[Observer11]

AAU comparisons are tough.

I had two kids who are played Peyton Prichard to a dead heat. Punch for punch, dead heat. Both played collegiately

Neither are playing for the Boston Celtics.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

AAU is trash basketball. Should be banned.

 

[Observer11]

AAU is trash basketball. Should be banned.

There's some money-grubbing clowns involved. There's some good folks. Just like life.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

I rise in defense of Rapp, though not for the usual reasons, and not because he is my favorite player (far from it).

The Rapp I saw this year was hobbled by indecision. He made too many bad passes and allowed himself to get trapped too easily. He was not remotely ready for the speed of the game. He is no Stockton, but he is not nearly as bad as he looked this year, when he was thrust into a role for which he was not ready. The upside is that he was put into a sink or swim situation, and we will see next year how the swimming lessons turned out. If he adjusts to the speed of the game, then I think we will all be surprised at the results. Since that issue is 100% between his ears and not athletics related, I expect that he will adjust and make huge progress. He won't be a starter next year, but he will have value off the bench, and there is a good chance that he will be a starter for at least one season before he leaves.

 

[mikalalas]

I rise in defense of Rapp, though not for the usual reasons, and not because he is my favorite player (far from it).

The Rapp I saw this year was hobbled by indecision. He made too many bad passes and allowed himself to get trapped too easily. He was not remotely ready for the speed of the game. He is no Stockton, but he is not nearly as bad as he looked this year, when he was thrust into a role for which he was not ready. The upside is that he was put into a sink or swim situation, and we will see next year how the swimming lessons turned out. If he adjusts to the speed of the game, then I think we will all be surprised at the results. Since that issue is 100% between his ears and not athletics related, I expect that he will adjust and make huge progress. He won't be a starter next year, but he will have value off the bench, and there is a good chance that he will be a starter for at least one season before he leaves.

I can see Rapp getting 13 to 23 minutes at the 3 spot, at best.

Only way he will, should play any minutes at PG, is if:

1. Jefferson, Tyrell Roberts, Myles Rice, etc, dont pan out at PG.

2. If they get injured

3. If they all get into foul trouble.

Sans something like that, Rapp is TO SLOW for the PG spot at the Remy, Verge, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon, Colorado, P5, Pac 12 level.

He will do ok, just fine against EWU, Idaho, etc, PG's.

But not against P5, Pac 12, Iverson, Remy, Verge, etc, type PG's.

By the time Rapp is a senior, I coukd see him as a 6th man, situational, temporary, limited, etc,starter at the 3 spot, getting about 19 to 29 minutes per game.

But if Rapp is getting 29 to 39 minutes per game at the PG spot as a senior, it will, would have been because either nobody, including Rapp good enough at PG Spot, etc.

And if Rapp gets that at PG spot as a senior, WSU, Smith would have likely done something wrong.

Rapp's SLOWNESS is like Blake Pengelly, Lodwick, Witherill(SLOWNESS WISE)

LODWICK, WITHERILL, BLAKE PENGELLY were too SLOW to play PG, and so is Rapp.

Rapp is smart, has high Bball IQ, good passer, good decision maker, good leadership, good floor general, good defensive technique, lunch pail, works hard, long arms, but is SLOW, UNATHLETIC.

Rapp would be a better POINT 3 SPOT G/F/WING POINT.

Thats his best chance to get 19 to 29 minutes, 29 to 39 minutes at Ultimate Extreme Best, as a senior.

Basically Rapp is a GLUE GUY, ROLEPLAYER, GAME MANAGER, at the 3 spot.

Nothing wrong with that either.

Because need players like that to fill, do those roles.

But to those who think RAPP should get a lot of minutes at the PG spot either are or should be sorely mistaken.

 

[mikalalas]

AAU comparisons are tough.

I had two kids who are played Peyton Prichard to a dead heat. Punch for punch, dead heat. Both played collegiately

Neither are playing for the Boston Celtics.

Did they then also play Peyton Pritchard at the Collegiate level and do well against him there?

Probably not. If they had done that at BOTH the AAU and collegiate level, then they might probably have been NBA Prospects ON PAPER(doesnt mean that they woukd be NBA Prospects, or that they would pan out)

Dischon Jackson is a 4 star recruit. ONE OF THE HIGHEST RANKED WSU RECRUITS IN ALL OF WSU HISTORY.

When you COMBINE that with Dischon Jackson holding his own, doing well, vs Mobley, (a projected Lottery pick), at the AAU level.

And When you combine that with Dischon Jackson, while playing for WSU, scored 17 points on Mobley, and limiting, holding Mobley down to 9 to 11 to 13 points, during, in 1 on 1 time, play in a game vs Mobley, in a game vs USC

And when combined with Dischon getting ABOUT 8 points 8,9,10 rebounds, 1,2 blocks shots, 1,2 steals, per game, AS A FRESHMAN, AT WSU.

And when combined with being 6ft 11.5 in, and being EXTREMELY ATHLETIC, and with having back to basket post moves, jump hook, etc.

And when combined with honorable mention All Pac 12 freshmen team.

And when combined with being a serious candidate for Pac 12 freshman of the year, and defensive freshman of the year.

When all that is COMBINED together, then as part of that combination that Dischon Holding his own in AAU vs Mobley, becomes meaningful, and that Dischon might probably be a potential future potential future NBA prospect ON PAPER(Doesnt mean, guarantee he would pan out)

Now if the other stuff wasnt combined in, then Dischon's AAU play against Mobley would be meaningless and not a measuring comparison stick.

Now even with combination, Dischon's AAU play against Mobley is not a true, equal accurate comparison and just gives a general comparison that shows that Dischon is good, and might probably be a NBA prospect, that might probably get a shot at the NBA. Its a Chance. Doesnt mean it will happen. But its at least a ok chance.

 

[etowncoug]

I rise in defense of Rapp, though not for the usual reasons, and not because he is my favorite player (far from it).

The Rapp I saw this year was hobbled by indecision. He made too many bad passes and allowed himself to get trapped too easily. He was not remotely ready for the speed of the game. He is no Stockton, but he is not nearly as bad as he looked this year, when he was thrust into a role for which he was not ready. The upside is that he was put into a sink or swim situation, and we will see next year how the swimming lessons turned out. If he adjusts to the speed of the game, then I think we will all be surprised at the results. Since that issue is 100% between his ears and not athletics related, I expect that he will adjust and make huge progress. He won't be a starter next year, but he will have value off the bench, and there is a good chance that he will be a starter for at least one season before he leaves.

The role Rapp was no where near ready for this year was back up PG playing about 15 minutes most nights. This in a year where the projected PG starter was hurt. Next year Koulibaly should be healthy, Rice will need some run as well, and Roberts is going to be pushing for PT. All three should be seeing the floor before Ryan.

As a deep bench guy, he's fine. Obviously he can fill in for a game or two if someone gets hurt or is struggling. But his value drops the more he plays because our opponents can really exploit his shortcomings. So if we are seeing 15+ of RR next year it probably means we aren't having a ton of success.

 

[jourdand]

Just a reminder. Dishon Jackson and the Nor CAl Elite never played Mobley and the Compton Magic in AAU ball. I went thru every game listed on the Compton Magic’s website and when individual games weren’t listed I looked at whether or not the two teams were ever in the same tourney and found nothing.

 

[mikalalas]

Just a reminder. Dishon Jackson and the Nor CAl Elite never played Mobley and the Compton Magic in AAU ball. I went thru every game listed on the Compton Magic’s website and when individual games weren’t listed I looked at whether or not the two teams were ever in the same tourney and found nothing.

TAKE THAT UP WITH THE GAME ANNOUNCERS WHO SAID DURING THE GAME BROADCAST THAT DISCHON JACKSON PLAYED, HELD HIS OWN AGAINST MOBLEY IN AAU.

NOW MAYBE CHAZ AND EHLO AND BROADCAST CREW KNOW SOMETHING YOU DONT OR MAYBE THE RECORDS YOU SOURCE ARE WRONG OR HAVE A MISTAKE, OR MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER GAME RECORDS OUT THERE, OR MAYBE CHAZ, EHLO ARE WRONG. TAKE IT UP WITH THEM

 

[Observer11]

TAKE THAT UP WITH THE GAME ANNOUNCERS WHO SAID DURING THE GAME BROADCAST THAT DISCHON JACKSON PLAYED, HELD HIS OWN AGAINST MOBLEY IN AAU.

NOW MAYBE CHAZ AND EHLO AND BROADCAST CREW KNOW SOMETHING YOU DONT OR MAYBE THE RECORDS YOU SOURCE ARE WRONG OR HAVE A MISTAKE, OR MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER GAME RECORDS OUT THERE, OR MAYBE CHAZ, EHLO ARE WRONG. TAKE IT UP WITH THEM

Use your inside voice.

 

[jourdand]

He thinks if he says it often enough and loud enough that somehow it will become true.

 

[Rich Lewis]

It's Dishon!