Hercules...

[dgibbons]

Is what Hunter did more or less illegal than Jared . I guess I am confused ?

So situation normal for you.

For purpose of this post I am interpreting "what Hunter did" to mean take a seat on the Burisma board of directors, and "Jared" to mean Kushner accepting a $2 billion deposit into his investment firm. If you mean something else, say so. Neither are illegal. If there is more to either of those matters, there could be something illegal.

I assume you agree that Hunter has criminal liability for income tax evasion since he was willing to enter a guilty plea.

 

[dgibbons]

Are you saying Jared potentially was an intermediary for his father in law to sell out the country .

Interesting .. maybe that explains why Forrest Trump had all those classifieds docs at Mara Logo

Are you?

 

[dgibbons]

I really thought we were talking about the money they got off their in-laws or fathers name. Didn’t know Jared had the qualifications to start an investment fund but got it.

So strictly in terms of compensation Hunter would have to work 20 years to get Jared’s comp off his Dad’s name . After three years of comp for Jared , Hunter would have to work 57 years . But I get it .. it isn’t about making money off one’s name

You don't need to keep proving you don't know what you're talking about. We know.

 

[CougEd]

You don't need to keep proving you don't know what you're talking about. We know.

Well tell me where my math is wrong . If Hunter got a million a year off his dads name and sat on a board of barisma, and Jared gets a 1% management fee that you claim, he would make 20 million a year . Are you saying Jared is only getting a one time fee ? So if he gets 20 mill a year that is 60 mil, unless he only has a one time set up fee.

After three years Jared has 60 million, Hunter has 3?

 

[CougEd]

Are you?

No more than you claiming Hunter was an intermediary to sell out the country for his dad .

 

[dgibbons]

Well tell me where my math is wrong . If Hunter got a million a year off his dads name and sat on a board of barisma, and Jared gets a 1% management fee that you claim, he would make 20 million a year . Are you saying Jared is only getting a one time fee ? So if he gets 20 mill a year that is 60 mil, unless he only has a one time set up fee.

After three years Jared has 60 million, Hunter has 3?

You wrote this above: "My bad … math was slightly off. 2,000,000,000 /550,000 equals 3,333 years . Your point is taken"

Your division was correct. But you made at least two errors, including: (1) $50k per month is $600k annually, not $550k; and (ii) a $2 billion investment deposit is not the same as receiving compensation.

Again, we already know you're clueless.

 

[dgibbons]

No more than you claiming Hunter was an intermediary to sell out the country for his dad .

Read for comprehension, this is what I wrote: "Or maybe being the intermediary for his dad to sell out the country."

 

[fingerdisco]

Well… the OP started the shit show.

Maybe you could just change the subject to how well and how frequently your d!ck works—that seems to be a favorite topic of a certain poster

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Maybe you could just change the subject to how well and how frequently your d!ck works—that seems to be a favorite topic of a certain poster

F you dipshit. WTF is wrong with you? You never bring anything to the table except your smart ass and insulting BS. Get a f-ing life dude. Some of you posters are just such a-holes.

 

[fingerdisco]

F you dipshit. WTF is wrong with you? You never bring anything to the table except your smart ass and insulting BS. Get a f-ing life dude. Some of you posters are just such a-holes.

How insecure are you that you come to a football board to brag about sexual exploits? Sounds like you need to get a life.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

How insecure are you that you come to a football board to brag about sexual exploits? Sounds like you need to get a life.

Yer just jealous. Go whack off.

 

[fingerdisco]

Yer just jealous. Go whack off.

Another fine contribution, you really elevate the site

 

[Stretch 74]

I really thought we were talking about the money they got off their in-laws or fathers name. Didn’t know Jared had the qualifications to start an investment fund but got it.

So strictly in terms of compensation Hunter would have to work 20 years to get Jared’s comp off his Dad’s name . After three years of comp for Jared , Hunter would have to work 57 years . But I get it .. it isn’t about making money off one’s name

Points:
1. You seem unable to grasp the difference between $$ going directly to Hunter and the $2 billion that did NOT go directly to Kushner.
2. I have yet to see any claims or evidence of any illegal activity by Kushner from any of you that are whining about him having the money come into the investment fund he runs.
3. I did say to bring on the investigations and charge him for any laws that he breaks in a post above.
4. In typical lib/Dem fashion, you guys seem to be pretending that none of the crap with Hunter involve the "Big Guy".

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Not to interrupt this entertaining "your corruption is worse than my corruption" exchange, but here is something potentially relevant to the thread.

It is probably not practical to bulldoze everything in Lahaina, unless you are going full urban renewal. The reason? Most water & sewer utilities are buried and likely to survive a firestorm. So if you rebuild at the same location, you have existing water & sewer infrastructure. Of course, this assumes those and other utilities are, in fact, buried. If we assume for a moment that existing property lines will be maintained, then rebuilding is probably the most practical approach for those with insurance. For those without, the future is uncertain to say the least, because rebuilding in the islands is expensive. Even if the town gets inspection/building department help & cooperation at every level, it will still be expensive. And who knows if there is even any City planning/building department left? If it was a City function, it may have to revert to the county, who is probably woefully unprepared for any sort of surge in home rebuilding. Even if the City still has a building department, they will be unable to handle the workload. Construction financing often is contingent upon proper permits, so all of this becomes relevant in a massive rebuilding effort. And speaking of proper permits, unless some giant exceptions are made, anything rebuilt will have to be per current building code.

As is usually the case, it is not as simple as it looks. Of course the lost lives are the biggest issue. But for those left behind to rebuild/recover somehow, the road ahead is hard to see. One question they will need to collectively address is whether manufactured housing is permissable...including trailers in all forms. I suspect many families will have to sell their property because they can't afford to rebuild.

 

[Stretch 74]

For me, I find it mind numbing that a Trump family member's pet project can be gifted $2 billion and Trump sycophants will ignore and excuse that while shaking their fists in rage at Hunter Biden getting a high salary in Europe. The cognitive dissonance of ignoring Trump corruption while raging about Biden corruption is laughable. I've said it before, sign me up for the Biden family going to jail if there is corruption....but it would be nice if the law was applied evenly. That isn't even getting into all of the other legal activity that is surrounding the former Cheeto-in-Chief himself.

1. What evidence do you present that the $2 billion was a gift and not an investment? You DO realize that the two things are not the same, right?
2. I believe that teh House Oversight Committee was looking into the situation. Did they find any evidence of wrongdoing, make any referrals for prosecution?
3. It is rather hard to ignore the claim of corruption by Trump when he he has now been indicted four times and CNN/PMSNBC/ABC/NBC/CBS/WA Post/ NY Times report that approximately 87 hours a day. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see if any of the claims are true, since so far in America our citizens are all allowed the presumption of innocence.
4. Some good cognitive dissonance is all the Dem politicians and MSM talking heads continuing to claim there is absolutely no evidence against either Joe or Hunter Biden. This in spite of the laptop, emails, congressional whistleblower testimony, former business partner testimony, voice messages, 150+ Suspicious Activitity Reports, the FBI 1023 report, bank records, Joe's own video about firing the Ukraine prosecutor, and so on.
5. Glad that you recognize all the legal activity going on around The Donald!
6. I agree that it would be nice to have the law applied evenly. Unlike what Merrick Garland is doing with the DOJ. Did you hear about the former Baltimore (IIRC) official that got a year in the pokey for not paying about $57,000 in taxes? He is a bit miffed the Garland and his pals were about to let Hunter off with a shaking of a finger at him for avoiding about $2,000,000 in taxes. Equal justice? LOL!

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Not to interrupt this entertaining "your corruption is worse than my corruption" exchange, but here is something potentially relevant to the thread.

It is probably not practical to bulldoze everything in Lahaina, unless you are going full urban renewal. The reason? Most water & sewer utilities are buried and likely to survive a firestorm. So if you rebuild at the same location, you have existing water & sewer infrastructure. Of course, this assumes those and other utilities are, in fact, buried. If we assume for a moment that existing property lines will be maintained, then rebuilding is probably the most practical approach for those with insurance. For those without, the future is uncertain to say the least, because rebuilding in the islands is expensive. Even if the town gets inspection/building department help & cooperation at every level, it will still be expensive. And who knows if there is even any City planning/building department left? If it was a City function, it may have to revert to the county, who is probably woefully unprepared for any sort of surge in home rebuilding. Even if the City still has a building department, they will be unable to handle the workload. Construction financing often is contingent upon proper permits, so all of this becomes relevant in a massive rebuilding effort. And speaking of proper permits, unless some giant exceptions are made, anything rebuilt will have to be per current building code.

As is usually the case, it is not as simple as it looks. Of course the lost lives are the biggest issue. But for those left behind to rebuild/recover somehow, the road ahead is hard to see. One question they will need to collectively address is whether manufactured housing is permissable...including trailers in all forms. I suspect many families will have to sell their property because they can't afford to rebuild.

Good points on the infrastructure. But Gawd, the homes and businesses have been burned to the ground. What a disaster.

 

[Coug90]

If you find yourself vehemently defending any of these assholes, congratulations, you are in a cult. Now let’s get back to the topic at hand FFS.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Not to interrupt this entertaining "your corruption is worse than my corruption" exchange, but here is something potentially relevant to the thread.

It is probably not practical to bulldoze everything in Lahaina, unless you are going full urban renewal. The reason? Most water & sewer utilities are buried and likely to survive a firestorm. So if you rebuild at the same location, you have existing water & sewer infrastructure. Of course, this assumes those and other utilities are, in fact, buried. If we assume for a moment that existing property lines will be maintained, then rebuilding is probably the most practical approach for those with insurance. For those without, the future is uncertain to say the least, because rebuilding in the islands is expensive. Even if the town gets inspection/building department help & cooperation at every level, it will still be expensive. And who knows if there is even any City planning/building department left? If it was a City function, it may have to revert to the county, who is probably woefully unprepared for any sort of surge in home rebuilding. Even if the City still has a building department, they will be unable to handle the workload. Construction financing often is contingent upon proper permits, so all of this becomes relevant in a massive rebuilding effort. And speaking of proper permits, unless some giant exceptions are made, anything rebuilt will have to be per current building code.

As is usually the case, it is not as simple as it looks. Of course the lost lives are the biggest issue. But for those left behind to rebuild/recover somehow, the road ahead is hard to see. One question they will need to collectively address is whether manufactured housing is permissable...including trailers in all forms. I suspect many families will have to sell their property because they can't afford to rebuild.

The town of Greensburg, Kansas was effectively wiped off the map by a Tornado in 2007. While not nearly as large as Lahaina, they took the opportunity to look at it as a way to build the town back better. Unfortunately for them, nobody really wants to make a trip to see the world's largest hand dug well, so their town has never fully recovered. What has been rebuilt has been good and they are proud of that, but it's still only roughly half the size in population that it was in 2007. Lahaina will recover because people want to visit Maui and capitalism always finds a way in the end.

On your question about property lines, my company donated the time for our employees to go out and help re-establish property lines in Greensburg in 2007. Existing property lines in Lahaina will undoubtedly be re-established. Roads and other subsurface infrastructure will be reused as much as possible. You can drop a few trailers in town for the city's public works staff to work out of. FEMA sent hundreds of trailers to Greensburg for people to live in.

Even though this is a tragedy, it does provide the people and city the opportunity to revisit everything going on and make the city even better than it was. Given the extremely high value of property in Maui (and Hawaii in general), the cost of rebuilding is not going to keep Lahaina from surviving. The people of Lahaina have a rough time ahead, but for the portion that return, there is a bright future, even if it doesn't feel that way right now.

 

[dgibbons]

Points:
1. You seem unable to grasp the difference between $$ going directly to Hunter and the $2 billion that did NOT go directly to Kushner.
2. I have yet to see any claims or evidence of any illegal activity by Kushner from any of you that are whining about him having the money come into the investment fund he runs.
3. I did say to bring on the investigations and charge him for any laws that he breaks in a post above.
4. In typical lib/Dem fashion, you guys seem to be pretending that none of the crap with Hunter involve the "Big Guy".

I would also add: Please connect the $2 billion investment to a foreign policy action or decision. For example, something akin to Joe Biden threatening to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees unless the Ukrainian government fired a prosecutor that was investigating a company where Joe's son was on the board of directors.

 

[longtimecoug]

Read for comprehension, this is what I wrote: "Or maybe being the intermediary for his dad to sell out the country."

Where is all the proof I keep hearing about? Like Archers testimony that was to bury Biden, it exonerated him totally. Talk about witch hunts

 

[Coug90]

Where is all the proof I keep hearing about? Like Archers testimony that was to bury Biden, it exonerated him totally. Talk about witch hunts

Lotta bitching and finger pointing last couple of days. More so than usual! Wonder what’s going on that could be causing that?!

 

[95coug]

I would also add: Please connect the $2 billion investment to a foreign policy action or decision. For example, something akin to Joe Biden threatening to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees unless the Ukrainian government fired a prosecutor that was investigating a company where Joe's son was on the board of directors.

That sounds kind of like threatening to withhold hundreds of millions in military aid unless the Ukrainian government launches an investigation of a political rival. It would be especially reprehensible if you did that when Ukraine was facing an existential threat due to invasion.

Not that that scenario could ever happen…

 

[dgibbons]

That sounds kind of like threatening to withhold hundreds of millions in military aid unless the Ukrainian government launches an investigation of a political rival. It would be especially reprehensible if you did that when Ukraine was facing an existential threat due to invasion.

Not that that scenario could ever happen…

What does that have to do with the Saudi sovereign wealth fund sending a $2 billion investment to Kushner?

 

[95coug]

What does that have to do with the Saudi sovereign wealth fund sending a $2 billion investment to Kushner?

Nothing. Just pointing out that both principals apparently extorted Ukraine over the same issue on opposite sides. But somehow one side is an outrage and the other is no big deal.

 

[dgibbons]

Nothing. Just pointing out that both principals apparently extorted Ukraine over the same issue on opposite sides. But somehow one side is an outrage and the other is no big deal.

Trump was impeached by the House and tried in the Senate.

 

[95coug]

Trump was impeached by the House and tried in the Senate.

In a totally partisan trial whose outcome was determined before it started

 

[WillieThePimp]

That sounds kind of like threatening to withhold hundreds of millions in military aid unless the Ukrainian government launches an investigation of a political rival. It would be especially reprehensible if you did that when Ukraine was facing an existential threat due to invasion.

Not that that scenario could ever happen…

It’s even more hilarious when you consider that the investigation by the Prosecutor Shokin into Burisma was for cooking the books that occurred between 2010-2012, whereas H Biden didn’t start his grift until 2014. Burisma was not under any investigation when the crackhead was there.

It’s facts like these that Trump fellators like dgibbons and Stretch ignore because they’ve been fed a steady diet of nonsense from the rightwing echo chamber.

 

[dgibbons]

In a totally partisan trial whose outcome was determined before it started

Just like the impeachment.

 

[dgibbons]

It’s even more hilarious when you consider that the investigation by the Prosecutor Shokin into Burisma was for cooking the books that occurred between 2010-2012, whereas H Biden didn’t start his grift until 2014. Burisma was not under any investigation when the crackhead was there.

It’s facts like these that Trump fellators like dgibbons and Stretch ignore because they’ve been fed a steady diet of nonsense from the rightwing echo chamber.

The article below says Shokin was ousted in 2016. Not sure what the bold part is supposed to mean. Is an investigation supposed to start before alleged misconduct? Hunter's wiki page says he was on the Burisma board from 2014 to 2019.

Ukraine police close Biden probe initiated by ousted prosecutor

Under Ukrainian law, anyone can go to court to request an investigation if the State Investigative Bureau declines to open one on its own.

www.nbcnews.com

Hunter Biden - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[CougEd]

Trump was impeached by the House and tried in the Senate.

P l

The article below says Shokin was ousted in 2016. Not sure what the bold part is supposed to mean. Is an investigation supposed to start before alleged misconduct? Hunter's wiki page says he was on the Burisma board from 2014 to 2019.

Ukraine police close Biden probe initiated by ousted prosecutor

Under Ukrainian law, anyone can go to court to request an investigation if the State Investigative Bureau declines to open one on its own.

www.nbcnews.com

Hunter Biden - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What is more interesting....maybe Biden is just smarter than Trump when it comes to illegal activities. Trump essentially announces what is coming. Biden at least gives himself enough cover for his son getting paid 50k a month, 600k a year, and it would take Hunter 3,333 years to get that kind of money. Or, if it is simply income (as we don't know if the Saudi's are getting dividends etc, from the 2 billion investment. That would mean in three years of Jared getting a 1% management fee that is 60 million. I will use stretch's income at a mil a year Hunter made through Barisma. That means after 3 years, JAred will make 60 mil, jared 3 mil.

Also, the article gave Biden cover. The article you attached the Ukrainian prosecutor was being pushed out by the US and Europeans cause he wasnt prosecuting fraud. And the deputy prosecutor said they had already shelved the Hunter investigation earlier before the prosecutor was booted.

Like I said, Biden just must be better at it.

 

[CougEd]

1. What evidence do you present that the $2 billion was a gift and not an investment? You DO realize that the two things are not the same, right?
2. I believe that teh House Oversight Committee was looking into the situation. Did they find any evidence of wrongdoing, make any referrals for prosecution?
3. It is rather hard to ignore the claim of corruption by Trump when he he has now been indicted four times and CNN/PMSNBC/ABC/NBC/CBS/WA Post/ NY Times report that approximately 87 hours a day. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see if any of the claims are true, since so far in America our citizens are all allowed the presumption of innocence.
4. Some good cognitive dissonance is all the Dem politicians and MSM talking heads continuing to claim there is absolutely no evidence against either Joe or Hunter Biden. This in spite of the laptop, emails, congressional whistleblower testimony, former business partner testimony, voice messages, 150+ Suspicious Activitity Reports, the FBI 1023 report, bank records, Joe's own video about firing the Ukraine prosecutor, and so on.
5. Glad that you recognize all the legal activity going on around The Donald!
6. I agree that it would be nice to have the law applied evenly. Unlike what Merrick Garland is doing with the DOJ. Did you hear about the former Baltimore (IIRC) official that got a year in the pokey for not paying about $57,000 in taxes? He is a bit miffed the Garland and his pals were about to let Hunter off with a shaking of a finger at him for avoiding about $2,000,000 in taxes. Equal justice? LOL!

1) What evidence do you have that it isn't. I read online and there were several articles written about Jared's sweetheart deal.

But I thought your position that Hunter got a job because of his family name. Is that illegal? Did he break law by working for Barisma? His legal problems seemed to be that of income tax issues.

2) I don't believe the oversight committee looked into it. But if they did it was partisan and Hunter couldnt get a fair shake.

3) Yep innocent until proven guilty

4) Well you may be correct. Biden could be involved, but so far he has remained clean. Again, maybe he is just smarter than those investigating him. But you cant "lose" a witness like Comer did, then find out he is on the run from the law.

Also, his business partner said Hunter traded on his name, and his dad would get on the phone and say hello but didn't talk about business. So Archer didn't help the cause.

5) Let me clarify your statement- ""Glad that you recognize all the legal activity going on around The Donald!" Cleaned up " Glad that you recognize all the illegal activity going on around Donnie Indicter".

6) I agree Garland should treat everyone the same...so why he gives Trump unfair treatment like not getting finger printed, not doing the perp walk, being able to post pics of the judge etc. If John Gotti did that he would have been jailed immediately.

And I thought the issue was Hunter getting a job he wasn't qualified to do Not that he did illegal stuff while there.

 

[Coug90]

Just like the impeachment.

If that’s the case, why hasn’t Joe been impeached yet?