I have a new outlook for the Cougs / Beavers and Big-12

[Cougini5591]

Big 10 has access to Washington and Oregon.

Big 12 will want access to Washington and Oregon.

And deep inside... why wouldn't the Big 12 want to become the "bigger and better"

Power in numbers

I now decree... we will get in

 

[mikalalas]

Big 10 has access to Washington and Oregon.

Big 12 will want access to Washington and Oregon.

And deep inside... why wouldn't the Big 12 want to become the "bigger and better"

Power in numbers

I now decree... we will get in

Locked on College Football, and Locked on Big 12, and Sportskeeda, is quoting Canzano, Wilner, MHver3, Twitter insider sources that telling the above sources, that the PAC 2, WSU, OSU, Scott Barnes, and Teresa Gould have been talking to the Big 12, behind the scenes, and are trying to, and very close to arranging with the Big 12, to schedule between some to a semi lot of games against the Big 12, after the 1 year, first year of playing the MWC is done. According to those sources, WSU, OSU, PAC 2, is offering to pay the Big 12 about 2 million per game, plus are offering to use the Pac 12 network, that changed into PAC 12 Enterprises, and it's equipment, sets, studios, cameras, etc, so that Big 12, FOX, ESPN, wouldn't have to, and that the games would be on CW streaming, and that the PAC 12 would be willing to share the 7 million per PAC 12 team, and Big 12 team, with the Big 12, in addition to paying the Big 12 2 million per game.

The insider sources are saying that the reason why WSU, OSU, PAC 2/12 are offering that to the Big 12, is that they want to try to prove to the Big 12 that WSU, OSU, PAC 2/12 bring enough media, eyeballs, market, etc, to be invited by either the Big 12, or ACC, in about 12 to 36 months, if the ACC disintegrates, falls apart in the next 12 to 36 months, and once the SEC, BIG 10, Big 12 pick the ACC clean, etc.

The insider sources say if that doesn't happen, then as a back up, WSU, OSU, PAC 2/12 is going to pay a total of 65 million out of 250 million war chest to get BSU, SDSU, FRESNO ST, UNLV, AIRFORCE to join the PAC to become the PAC 8.

The insider sources are saying Scott Barnes the AD of OSU has leaked it to Canzano and Wilner, etc, that they are looking to have a max of 8 teams in PAC, and that if any of the MWC teams mentioned choose not to join PAC, that the PAC will raid Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, North Texas, NDSU, etc, to join PAC for the 65 million.

The Insider sources say that losing 65 million from 250 million PAC money, will be replaced by the 7 million per team, per year(2 teams for 14 mil), 7 million to PAC per year media deal, which deal is better then the MWC(MWC deal is about 6 mil per year, and about 1 mil at most per team at best once MWC negotiates it's 7 to 9 to 11 mil, 1 mil per team per year media deal), deal, and that it would take only a small handful of years to replace, exceed the 65 mil cost to get the MWC teams, because of the PAC CW, Streaming media deal, and the 3.5 mil from CFP per year, and Future Bowl money, and future NCAA tournament/NIT money, etc, all combined together.

There is no proof of this we can point to except Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, Greg Swaime, MHVer3, Locked On College Football, Locked On Big 12, Twitter, Insider unnamed sources, etc, that we can either believe or not, but all these sources saying the same things is semi probably at least partially true, etc, and WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS PROBABLY FIRE.

This is what it was like before the PAC 12 fell apart and many of us dismissed it as rumor, innuendo, etc.

Any one of these sources, alone by itself would be Questionable, debateable, less credible, etc.

But all these sources, all combined together, saying the same similar things is probably semi credible, etc.

In order to read more about this stuff watch the right Locked On College Football, Locked On Big 12 You Tube, Twitter Feeds, etc, and what Greg Swaime, MHver3, Twitter stuff, Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, etc, say, said, etc.

 

[M-I-Coug]

Locked on College Football, and Locked on Big 12, and Sportskeeda, is quoting Canzano, Wilner, MHver3, Twitter insider sources that telling the above sources, that the PAC 2, WSU, OSU, Scott Barnes, and Teresa Gould have been talking to the Big 12, behind the scenes, and are trying to, and very close to arranging with the Big 12, to schedule between some to a semi lot of games against the Big 12, after the 1 year, first year of playing the MWC is done. According to those sources, WSU, OSU, PAC 2, is offering to pay the Big 12 about 2 million per game, plus are offering to use the Pac 12 network, that changed into PAC 12 Enterprises, and it's equipment, sets, studios, cameras, etc, so that Big 12, FOX, ESPN, wouldn't have to, and that the games would be on CW streaming, and that the PAC 12 would be willing to share the 7 million per PAC 12 team, and Big 12 team, with the Big 12, in addition to paying the Big 12 2 million per game.

The insider sources are saying that the reason why WSU, OSU, PAC 2/12 are offering that to the Big 12, is that they want to try to prove to the Big 12 that WSU, OSU, PAC 2/12 bring enough media, eyeballs, market, etc, to be invited by either the Big 12, or ACC, in about 12 to 36 months, if the ACC disintegrates, falls apart in the next 12 to 36 months, and once the SEC, BIG 10, Big 12 pick the ACC clean, etc.

The insider sources say if that doesn't happen, then as a back up, WSU, OSU, PAC 2/12 is going to pay a total of 65 million out of 250 million war chest to get BSU, SDSU, FRESNO ST, UNLV, AIRFORCE to join the PAC to become the PAC 8.

The insider sources are saying Scott Barnes the AD of OSU has leaked it to Canzano and Wilner, etc, that they are looking to have a max of 8 teams in PAC, and that if any of the MWC teams mentioned choose not to join PAC, that the PAC will raid Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, North Texas, NDSU, etc, to join PAC for the 65 million.

The Insider sources say that losing 65 million from 250 million PAC money, will be replaced by the 7 million per team, per year(2 teams for 14 mil), 7 million to PAC per year media deal, which deal is better then the MWC(MWC deal is about 6 mil per year, and about 1 mil at most per team at best once MWC negotiates it's 7 to 9 to 11 mil, 1 mil per team per year media deal), deal, and that it would take only a small handful of years to replace, exceed the 65 mil cost to get the MWC teams, because of the PAC CW, Streaming media deal, and the 3.5 mil from CFP per year, and Future Bowl money, and future NCAA tournament/NIT money, etc, all combined together.

There is no proof of this we can point to except Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, Greg Swaime, MHVer3, Locked On College Football, Locked On Big 12, Twitter, Insider unnamed sources, etc, that we can either believe or not, but all these sources saying the same things is semi probably at least partially true, etc, and WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS PROBABLY FIRE.

This is what it was like before the PAC 12 fell apart and many of us dismissed it as rumor, innuendo, etc.

Any one of these sources, alone by itself would be Questionable, debateable, less credible, etc.

But all these sources, all combined together, saying the same similar things is probably semi credible, etc.

In order to read more about this stuff watch the right Locked On College Football, Locked On Big 12 You Tube, Twitter Feeds, etc, and what Greg Swaime, MHver3, Twitter stuff, Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, etc, say, said, etc.

Thanks Mike...

I read the news today, oh boy
About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well, I just had to laugh
I saw the photograph

He blew his mind out in a car
He didn't notice that the lights had changed
A crowd of people stood and stared
They'd seen his face before
Nobody was really sure if he was from the House of Lords

I saw a film today, oh boy
The English Army had just won the war
A crowd of people turned away
But I just had to look
Having read the book
I'd love to turn you on

Woke up, fell out of bed
Dragged a comb across my head
Found my way downstairs and drank a cup
And looking up, I noticed I was late
Found my coat and grabbed my hat
Made the bus in seconds flat
Found my way upstairs and had a smoke
And somebody spoke and I went into a dream

I read the news today, oh boy, checked my email, and "Our Daily Verse" feed said this:


"With God all things are possible."
Matthew 19:26

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Big 10 has access to Washington and Oregon.

Big 12 will want access to Washington and Oregon.

And deep inside... why wouldn't the Big 12 want to become the "bigger and better"

Power in numbers

I now decree... we will get in

We should be getting an invite before anyone else that's out there....but I'm betting that SDSU and Fresno State think that the California market is more important than the rural Oregon and Washington markets. We are not getting invited to the Big 12 anytime soon. I wish that wasn't true...but it is.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

We should be getting an invite before anyone else that's out there....but I'm betting that SDSU and Fresno State think that the California market is more important than the rural Oregon and Washington markets. We are not getting invited to the Big 12 anytime soon. I wish that wasn't true...but it is.

That is obvious to everyone on the planet except the denizens of this board.......

 

[ttowncoug]

We should be getting an invite before anyone else that's out there....but I'm betting that SDSU and Fresno State think that the California market is more important than the rural Oregon and Washington markets. We are not getting invited to the Big 12 anytime soon. I wish that wasn't true...but it is.

It's all about TV viewership. If we keep the Apple Cup, that game alone is worth a lot.

 

[dgibbons]

It's all about TV viewership. If we keep the Apple Cup, that game alone is worth a lot.

It's about more than TV ratings. Exactly what, I have no clue. But if it was only TV ratings, ASU, Arizona, Cal and Stanford would be out in the cold, and WSU would be in the Big XII.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

It's about more than TV ratings. Exactly what, I have no clue. But if it was only TV ratings, ASU, Arizona, Cal and Stanford would be out in the cold, and WSU would be in the Big XII.

The only "rational" thing that I've heard is that it's about "potential" TV ratings. They see Pullman and Corvallis and think that WSU and OSU have no upside. They forget that 2/3rds of WSU alumni are from Seattle and that 30% of the Puget Sound roots for the Cougs.

 

[95coug]

The only "rational" thing that I've heard is that it's about "potential" TV ratings. They see Pullman and Corvallis and think that WSU and OSU have no upside. They forget that 2/3rds of WSU alumni are from Seattle and that 30% of the Puget Sound roots for the Cougs.

Exactly. ASU & Arizona have Phoenix. Cal & Stanford have the entire Bay Area. Those are readily identifiable markets. OSU and WSU have viewership, but it's not localized. That makes it harder to quantify and harder to sell to advertisers.

 

[mikalalas]

The only "rational" thing that I've heard is that it's about "potential" TV ratings. They see Pullman and Corvallis and think that WSU and OSU have no upside. They forget that 2/3rds of WSU alumni are from Seattle and that 30% of the Puget Sound roots for the Cougs.

That CONTINUED misperception by media, everyone, is on WSU leadership, for NOT MARKETING effectively.

If I was in WSU Leadership, like the Pres, AD, etc, I would be letting LITERALLY EVERYBODY know, TELLING LITERALLY EVERYBODY that WSU not only had THE 4TH BEST VIEWERSHIP IN PAC 12, but would also tell literally EVERYBODY that WSU HAD BEEN TO 8 STRAIGHT BOWL GAMES, AND that WSU'S TRUE TV MARKET WAS, IS SEATTLE, PORTLAND, WEST SIDE OF WA, AND that 2/3 rds of WSU ALUMNI ARE IN SEATTLE, PORTLAND, ETC. AND that 30+ % OF SEATTLE, PORTLAND, ETC, WATCH WSU.

I would tell, share that until I was blue in face, passed out, etc, until EVERYBODY SICK OF IT, and even then I would still continue to tell everybody.

That's the CORRECT way to get the word out, market, etc. That's what the WSU leadership should have been doing for the last 15 to 25 years. But WSU leadership hasn't been doing that for even 1 hour, 1 day, 1 month, 1 year, etc, let alone 15 to 25+ years, like they should have done, and because of that, that's why WSU is where WSU is at right now, because of leadership incompetence, and FAILURE TO MARKET, ETC, EFFECTIVELY

My Grandma could market more effectively at WSU, then the incompetent WSU leadership, and She is dead, so a Dead Grandma would do a better job then WSU leadership.

 

[95coug]

That CONTINUED misperception by media, everyone, is on WSU leadership, for NOT MARKETING effectively.

If I was in WSU Leadership, like the Pres, AD, etc, I would be letting LITERALLY EVERYBODY know, TELLING LITERALLY EVERYBODY that WSU not only had THE 4TH BEST VIEWERSHIP IN PAC 12, but would also tell literally EVERYBODY that WSU HAD BEEN TO 8 STRAIGHT BOWL GAMES, AND that WSU'S TRUE TV MARKET WAS, IS SEATTLE, PORTLAND, WEST SIDE OF WA, AND that 2/3 rds of WSU ALUMNI ARE IN SEATTLE, PORTLAND, ETC. AND that 30+ % OF SEATTLE, PORTLAND, ETC, WATCH WSU.

I would tell, share that until I was blue in face, passed out, etc, until EVERYBODY SICK OF IT, and even then I would still continue to tell everybody.

That's the CORRECT way to get the word out, market, etc. That's what the WSU leadership should have been doing for the last 15 to 25 years. But WSU leadership hasn't been doing that for even 1 hour, 1 day, 1 month, 1 year, etc, let alone 15 to 25+ years, like they should have done, and because of that, that's why WSU is where WSU is at right now, because of leadership incompetence, and FAILURE TO MARKET, ETC, EFFECTIVELY

My Grandma could market more effectively at WSU, then the incompetent WSU leadership, and She is dead, so a Dead Grandma would do a better job then WSU leadership.

Sure, tell them that. I wouldn’t use all caps though. Thats just a clear indicator that you’re not to be taken seriously.

 

[ttowncoug]

What's hard for me to understand is the SEC and much of the teams are in very small media markets, yet their conference has a huge national TV following. So you say WSU and OSU are small markets, well so is Miss St.

I don't know why WSU or OSU haven't done a better job at saying WSU is a Seattle market team, OSU is Portland market. Oregon isn't exactly located in a huge TV market either.

The logic isn't consistent. To me, it just showed the media companies just wanted to cherry pick and destroy our former conference.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

What's hard for me to understand is the SEC and much of the teams are in very small media markets, yet their conference has a huge national TV following. So you say WSU and OSU are small markets, well so is Miss St.

I don't know why WSU or OSU haven't done a better job at saying WSU is a Seattle market team, OSU is Portland market. Oregon isn't exactly located in a huge TV market either.

The logic isn't consistent. To me, it just showed the media companies just wanted to cherry pick and destroy our former conference.

That's actually a good point that I hadn't considered. Sure the SEC has a good reputation mainly based on Alabama. All their schools are in basically "college towns".

Must be the collective pull of ALL of them coupled with their religious, fanatical, zealot following of their sacred teams due to their out-of-balance culture down there.

Hell, even the B1G 10 has not a lot of huge media markets. But that fits nicely with my theory that big-city schools really struggle to be relevant in a consistent basis. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[UberCougars]

What's hard for me to understand is the SEC and much of the teams are in very small media markets, yet their conference has a huge national TV following. So you say WSU and OSU are small markets, well so is Miss St.

I don't know why WSU or OSU haven't done a better job at saying WSU is a Seattle market team, OSU is Portland market. Oregon isn't exactly located in a huge TV market either.

The logic isn't consistent. To me, it just showed the media companies just wanted to cherry pick and destroy our former conference.

Clearly, college football wanted to blow up what Larry Scott built (and the massive overhead along with it)

We will get a big conference invite when:

1. Apple brings their checkbook and says, “Cougars/ Beavers are in”

2. Fox opens their checkbook and says, “Cougars and Beavers are in.”

3. ESPN opens a checkbook and says, “Beavers and Cougars are in!”

4. Some combination of the above happens.

There will be no dissenting only fanfare, streamers, ribbons and fireworks.

It’s really pretty simple.

 

[altolug]

I am for whatever keeps the Pac-2+ together. Getting some MWC teams or others to join in is fine. There are some that have said we were a MWC team because of the our enrollment and location. The teams may not have always been the most athletic, but they always competed to the end. With the MWC joining it could be a more fairly even contests.

 

[95coug]

I am for whatever keeps the Pac-2+ together. Getting some MWC teams or others to join in is fine. There are some that have said we were a MWC team because of the our enrollment and location. The teams may not have always been the most athletic, but they always competed to the end. With the MWC joining it could be a more fairly even contests.

Adding to this: one of the things that’s often lamented about the collapse of the PAC-12 is that if we merge with the MWC we no longer have a realistic shot at a title.

Well. My recollection is that we’ve been ranked in the top 5 only once in my lifetime - we reached #3 in 2002 before losing the Apple cup. So it’s pretty hard to argue that we ever had a shot at a title anyway. I don’t really see that as a huge loss.

It’s been occasionally mentioned here (particularly in the dark years) that we could get dropped from the PAC and relegated to the MWC or Big Sky, because everyone else believed that’s where we belonged anyway, schools, prestige, and resources there were more similar, etc. Well, it happened.

Reality is that some sort of MWC merger is the softest landing place we’re likely to find. Waiting for an ACC or Big 12 invite is unrealistic, and it’s counting on luck or miracles to bail us out. It’s doubling down on previous mistakes. At this point we need to remember that “failing to plan is planning to fail,” and move forward with what’s realistic and reasonably controllable.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Adding to this: one of the things that’s often lamented about the collapse of the PAC-12 is that if we merge with the MWC we no longer have a realistic shot at a title.

Well. My recollection is that we’ve been ranked in the top 5 only once in my lifetime - we reached #3 in 2002 before losing the Apple cup. So it’s pretty hard to argue that we ever had a shot at a title anyway. I don’t really see that as a huge loss.

It’s been occasionally mentioned here (particularly in the dark years) that we could get dropped from the PAC and relegated to the MWC or Big Sky, because everyone else believed that’s where we belonged anyway, schools, prestige, and resources there were more similar, etc. Well, it happened.

Reality is that some sort of MWC merger is the softest landing place we’re likely to find. Waiting for an ACC or Big 12 invite is unrealistic, and it’s counting on luck or miracles to bail us out. It’s doubling down on previous mistakes. At this point we need to remember that “failing to plan is planning to fail,” and move forward with what’s realistic and reasonably controllable.

The only way I get on board with relegation is if the G5 breaks all ties with the P4 and makes their own post season. Idgaf if there is no money involved - we don't have or get any money anyways from the shit post season deals and tv deals we'll have in the g5.

What amazes and galls me at the same time is that anyone in the g5 would get on board with bodybag games against teams that are only going to further the talent gap between the have's and have-nots.

 

[Observer11]

Clearly, college football wanted to blow up what Larry Scott built (and the massive overhead along with it)

We will get a big conference invite when:

1. Apple brings their checkbook and says, “Cougars/ Beavers are in”

2. Fox opens their checkbook and says, “Cougars and Beavers are in.”

3. ESPN opens a checkbook and says, “Beavers and Cougars are in!”

4. Some combination of the above happens.

There will be no dissenting only fanfare, streamers, ribbons and fireworks.

It’s really pretty simple.

We’re not getting in unless some Coug has ascended to a position of power at Amazon and they want to get in the streaming game

The others don’t really care about OSU or WSU. If they did, we’d already be in somewhere.

 

[425cougfan]

The only way I get on board with relegation is if the G5 breaks all ties with the P4 and makes their own post season. Idgaf if there is no money involved - we don't have or get any money anyways from the shit post season deals and tv deals we'll have in the g5.

What amazes and galls me at the same time is that anyone in the g5 would get on board with bodybag games against teams that are only going to further the talent gap between the have's and have-nots.

Regarding your last paragraph, and as my response to anyone arguing we should just do a reverse merger with the MWC ... it's about money. It always winds up being the bottom line. You'll always have these teams playing bodybag games, and it's likely going to be part of WSU's future if if it winds up eating relegation.

I'm not claiming there will be a path to get into the Big 12 or ACC with a reasonable rev share. If there is, though, going that route is much better for WSU's future in various ways (funding the department, national visibility, etc.). The Mountain West's TV deal pays teams other than Boise State about $3.5m a year.

 

[mikalalas]

Regarding your last paragraph, and as my response to anyone arguing we should just do a reverse merger with the MWC ... it's about money. It always winds up being the bottom line. You'll always have these teams playing bodybag games, and it's likely going to be part of WSU's future if if it winds up eating relegation.

I'm not claiming there will be a path to get into the Big 12 or ACC with a reasonable rev share. If there is, though, going that route is much better for WSU's future in various ways (funding the department, national visibility, etc.). The Mountain West's TV deal pays teams other than Boise State about $3.5m a year.

And right now, WSU, OSU, PAC 2/12 is right now getting 7 mil per team, per year, for the, it's media deal, and on top of that the PAC 2/12 gets 7 mil that goes to PAC, that doesn't go to the teams.

That's better then the MWC, and the AAC media deals, and that's as the crippled PAC 2/12.

That just goes to show that even a crippled PAC 2/12, WSU, OSU, has more TV, media value per PAC team, per year, then the MWC, AAC, G5, etc.