After the Covid stuff. We should hire Stutzman back. I guarantee Mateer under Stutzman would be a sure 40 points a game. Actual RPO. No drop backs and qb draws. We’d actually utilize Mateer’s full range of talent, especially since he said himself he prefers to throw on the run. Too bad we had to get rid of Stutzman because that offense would be filthy. Watch Texas State if you want to see how it’s done.
If UW can hire John Richardson
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So when the line doesn't open up a hole where does the RPO come in to play? Arbuckle had Stutzmans success at his last stop. You recruit to a system. The team is 5-1, did you want Price to change systems when he struggled in 92 and 99, 2000 and even in 02 ?
Drew Bledsoe was a 53% passer. He had 15 TD's and 13 picks going into the Apple Cup. Can't believe we long for coaches who left. Want one coach to come and help this program? Go to E Lansing and talk former Coug Jim Mihalchik to come join the staff
Got it. Drew Bledsoe once had a 53% passing percentage so I can’t want Mateer to be used in a better manner, or an OC who uses more than 9 routes, draw, and zone handoff. Don’t care that we’re 5-1. If just eeking out wins while measurably getting worse in all facets is your cup of tea, enjoy! Seems some are happy with beat UW and another P5 team each September and then becoming wet dog shit for the rest of the year.
The Church of the Right Way denounces any WSU fan having standards or expectations. Repent chugspig!
I understand ... you don't get we coukd have Patrick Mahomes back there and Andy Reid calling plays and our offensive line holds us back, and always has . Yeah I will enjoy 5-1, and a system to recruit to than change our system . But feel free to piss and moan and want wholesale changes at 5-1.
First , I have no congregation. But it is you who are censor . Chug has every right to speak his mind. I point out facts. You are given a forum to voice your opinion . I don't call it the Temple of Wrong way.
Some people care how the sausage is made rather than enjoy the meal .
And I have watched UW shut down Mike Leach's offense as I watched Cal as well. No running game, drop 8. Dont remember anyone say "hire Stutzman and run RPO and take advantage of so and so's ability"
Change tve offense and when Mateer leaves in 9 months will Stutzman have on campus to score 40 points a game ?
Why try right? He’s just gonna leave so let’s just keep pressing on, and simplify. Let’s just go QB draw only. One time in 1945 John Johnson had a 38% completion percentage, so we are good. Forget that Arbuckle seems completely overwhelmed by all opposing coaches.
This offense, if Mateer couldn’t scramble would produce 10 points a game in its current state vs. MEC opponents. So I’d say it’d be somewhat wise to emphasize his ability into the offense besides scramble and draw. Maybe, if Arbuckle is decent, he can adapt and add some new schemes.
Or maybe we should just shut it down because we are 5-1 and Mateer might transfer.
Texas State uses Coach GJ Kinney's offense, not Stutzmann's. If you want to see Stutzmann's offense, watch San Jose State.
What are you talking about Ed? Our line was opening up holes, we could have run for 200+ on them. Parker averaged 6+. Any competent OC could have taken that alone, with a subpar QB and scored 30 + points without moving to the second page of their playbook.
If WSU ends up 11-1 and Mateer’s completion percentage falls to 28%, I’m OK with that. 👌✔️
I just think that needed to be said.
I just think that needed to be said.
Mateer is challenged with accuracy and decision making. Tim Tebow was also the best player in college football and those Florida teams carved up defenses. I’m a broncos fan. Tim Tebow couldn’t throw a five yard out route.
It’s not only possible, it’s pretty frickin easy to put together an offense that can score 30+ points a game with a guy taking snaps with the skill set of Mateer. Add in that you have a dynamic back like Parker…We should have scored 40 against that FSU defense, easy.
Michigan could only score 30 against them and the game was played in Ann Arbor. Those Florida teams also had an NFL player at many positions.
90... not as easy as you think. Maybe we should compare offensive lines that Tebow had and what Mateer is dealing with and maybe that will let us know where the bigger problem is and they are managing it probably as best as they can. And Tebow didn't need to throw a 5 yard out when he could give it to Harvin on a reverse and he could house it.
Maurkice Pouncey (Center)...Consensus All-American (2009), First-Team All-SEC (2008, 2009), SEC Offensive Lineman of the Year (2009). First round draft pick and an All Pro
Mike Pouncey (Guard) -First-Team All-SEC (2009), Second-Team All-American (2009), First round draft pick and pro bowler.
Jason Watkins (Tackle) Second-Team All-SEC (2008) Signed as an undrafted free agent; played for several teams, including the Miami Dolphins and the Philadelphia Eagles.
Phil Trautwein (Tackle) First-Team All-SEC (2008)
Carl Johnson (Guard) Second-Team All-SEC (2008) Signed as an undrafted free agent and played for a few teams, including the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
I see one player on WSU's starting line that may get a camp invite or if he improves he may get drafted. One. They had five guys on one line that were either first or second team All SEC.
We act like other teams don't play defense and we should have scored 40.
We lost our two best DE's, our entire starting secondary, two players who left early are in the NFL, a qb who is in the Heisman race, our second best WR, our third best WR to a injury (now back), two olineman who started, and we are slogging are way through. Who would I rather be...UW or WSU right now? CU or WSU?, Cal, Stanford? I think WSU would fare well even in a struggle against those teams if they were still in the conference. Even Utah with a hurt Rising looked horrible.
It is just me, I take victories. I sort of think about it like sex. I have read concerns and while I agree they need to clean up some things, great. Big changes...not seeing it.
It would be like having sex six out of seven days in a row. From a male perspective you are bitching cause your partner didn't perform like a porn star or that the males stats weren't up to snuff. Personally being married as long as I have been, if I go six for seven I truly don't voice one "complaint". But that is just me.
None of it really matters without an Offensive Line & a Defensive Line.
We've been scraping by.
Not that I'm mad about being 5 & 1, but I swear... signing 15 DB and 2 DL never makes me smile
Dont engage with CougExcuses. Waste of time. He is the High Priest of the Church of the Right Way.
Im happy that Mateer prefers to throw on the run; can he actually hit a receiver while doing so?
So, who should Dickert hire for OC and who should he bring in for QB, and what should he do to fix the things you’re complaining about?
I would say old man yells at cloud, but this is more like loser, blowhard, deadbeat yells at cloud.
So your wife would only be happy one day a week? And have 6 days of complaining to friends, family, the bathroom mirror?
Heh heh - sorry (not really). It was obligatory......
You know some of us do read all the threads........
Longtime on the other thread: "Mateer is the new mencke, goof athlete weak qb"
Loyal on the other thread:
"Mateer's stats so far:
89/153, 1429 yards. 58.2%, 9.3 yds per attempt. 13 TD, 5 ints. 77 carries, 453 yards, 5.9 YPC. 5 TD's. Rushing includes -112 yards on his 13 sacks. Still leading the team in attempts and yards. Without the sacks he's averaging 8.8 YPC.
But yeah he sucks and deserves all the criticism that we can muster."
Holy crap... has she been texting and complaining to you too?So your wife would only be happy one day a week? And have 6 days of complaining to friends, family, the bathroom mirror?
Heh heh - sorry (not really). It was obligatory......
Well ideally we wouldn’t have to fire anyone to understand Parker is really good and Mateer is as well. So maybe run some option and or RPOs, and make sure Wayshawn gets at least 15-18 touches minimum going forward. If Arbuckle can’t do that, which Dickert has emphasized as far back as last October - running, then I’d look at other guys at the end of this year. I’d look at guys who are not air raid specific anymore, it’s not novel. People don’t like the names around here but I really like Stutzman. I also liked Brian Smith from Ohio (spread option)- he had our offense cranking before leaving and put up 10 wins at Ohio. Jason Beck at UNM runs a Spread with RPO and it is statistically great everywhere it’s been. I’m not sure why Dickert decided air raid was necessary. Seemed he leaned too hard into replicating what came before him without the real guys to do it. Morris sucked and Arbuckle is on the ropes. Better offenses lean more towards the spread option now. We could do it easily if Arbuckle scouted himself.
Because there are about five coaches who run the run and shoot that Smith and stutzman are known for .
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How ling has he run it, what coaches does he bring back to WSU to help him install, and if he is as good as you think he is (Rolo relieved him of play-calling duties) when he has that great success who do you bring in to run the offense ?
But he was "demoted" when he was at WSU because lack of success... take a peek at the USC game second half in 2021
Hey, if ‘Bama can be talking bout getting rid of DeBoer and bringing back Saban, we’re entitled to want to fire coaches too. Well, he’ll last longer than Price, anyway.
Yes. If we continue to hand the ball off to Parker <10 times a game A gap, and run Mateer on 5-10 qb draws. It’s entirely predictable. I don’t know how you have Mateer and don’t run some sort of option no matter what system you come from he’s insanely gifted running and so is Parker, and we continue to to drop Mateer back and have him scramble or run qb draws. There needs to be serious changes conceptually for Arbuckle to show he’s not overmatched here. Continue to drop him back, but at least add in some wrinkles that should be no issue with Mateers talent. If that can’t be done and we go on putting up 14-21 offensive points vs standard MWC teams, we are not in a good spot.
Well since I don't kiss and tell, I won't admit that on Day 7 she whispers it into....oops, never mind!!!
Agree. And I am not good at remembering every detail of games - have we ever run the option? I mean shit - pull a guard, run option, 3rd option is to drop back and throw. Several permutations out there, preferably when the wide side is to the right. Unlike mutts, who run option into the short side on 4th down.
That was a moronic call on their part. Still brings me joy.Agree. And I am not good at remembering every detail of games - have we ever run the option? I mean shit - pull a guard, run option, 3rd option is to drop back and throw. Several permutations out there, preferably when the wide side is to the right. Unlike mutts, who run option into the short side on 4th down.
Are you not? It would be silly to fire anyone mid season on a 5-1 team that could win out with this schedule, but after the last two weeks and the struggles the offense had the back half on last year, you don’t think Arbuckles seat should be toasty? Dickert is not a serious coach and is not serious about being a big time program if he’s not there right now with Arbuckle. And that's coming from someone who’s fully on the Dickert bandwagon.
Yeah our D bailed us out against FSU but with this crap fest on offense we could lose to any team left on the schedule, and probably will drop a couple. It’s not acceptable at this level.
Is that were we are really at? A team struggles after two weeks on offense and they should be on the hot seat? Are sh!tty coaches like Ward who Biggs is glad we got rid of was thought enough by ASU they hired him and gave him a big raise. Go back to 1976 and Sherrill was 3-8 and he got the number two gig in the country. Dennis was .500 at WSU in two years and he was thought of to get the number one gig at Miami. Even Price who was .500 and in 1998 , 1990, and even thru 2002 his offenses struggled over a two or three week period and he got a job at Alabama.
We don't have a conference, we lost our best players, our former QB is in the Heisman race, we have no NIL money and you want to put a coach on the hotseat after being 5-1 and beating two Big 12 teams.
I have often thought why do coaches and players come here after being asked to do way more with way less. If I am any of these guys and we finish 10-2, I would at the end of the season say F U, pack my bags and go somewhere that compensates at a higher rate.
I get there are emotional frustration day of the game, but after two days I would have hoped the "he should be on the hotseat " would have subsided.
If a coach of a 5-1 team is going to be on the hot seat cause we aren't winning by the scores you wish to win by, we aren't going to have great candidates.
Here are some statistics that are relevant to the current conversation:
449, 491, 452, 491, 460, 338 - These are the number of yards our defense has given up in each game this season. Fresno State was actually our best defensive performance by that measure.
637, 416, 381, 627, 416, 295 - The number of yards our offense has gained each week. Fresno State was our worst offensive performance, followed by UW.
1, 3, -1, 1, 0, 0 - How we came out in the turnover battle each week. This is a big part of the reason Texas Tech outgained us, but we still beat them comfortably.
215, 301, 136, 237, 89, 123 - Our rushing yards each week
55, 197, 62, 111, 28, 46 - Mateer's rushing yards each week
Here's what I take away from this:
All of this is objectively clear just seeing our games...but these are the numbers that support it.
449, 491, 452, 491, 460, 338 - These are the number of yards our defense has given up in each game this season. Fresno State was actually our best defensive performance by that measure.
637, 416, 381, 627, 416, 295 - The number of yards our offense has gained each week. Fresno State was our worst offensive performance, followed by UW.
1, 3, -1, 1, 0, 0 - How we came out in the turnover battle each week. This is a big part of the reason Texas Tech outgained us, but we still beat them comfortably.
215, 301, 136, 237, 89, 123 - Our rushing yards each week
55, 197, 62, 111, 28, 46 - Mateer's rushing yards each week
Here's what I take away from this:
- Our defense doesn't stop teams. It slows them down and maybe forces them into FGs instead of TDs, but they're giving up yards. They live and die on turnovers - if we can't be positive in the turnover battle, we're going to be in dogfights.
- Our offense has to run. If we can't find room to run, we struggle to move the ball.
- We're leaning way too much on Mateer running. Our last 2 opponents have contained him pretty well, which closed down our run game. That has made the offense struggle. Bottom line, they're forcing Mateer to beat him with his arm...and we're not a good team when they can do that.
All of this is objectively clear just seeing our games...but these are the numbers that support it.
The defense bends like Gumby and performs OK as long as it is generating turnovers. Then it's not generating turnovers, the bending turns to breaking. I don't expect that to change.
I agree we need to run. Mateer's passing won't carry the team. I fondly recall some posters screeching about running the ball and it not mattering about whether its the QB or RBs or whoever. Well, here we are. Ward led the team in attempts last year. Ward also lead the team in rushing yards gained, but was second in net after subtracting sack yards. We're half way through this season, and in theory anyway the schedule is softening. We have another bye coming up. But, I think we have what we're going to have. Parker might edge Mateer out by the end of this season in net rushing yards. But with sacks counting as rush yards, and Mateer's running ability I don't see Parker getting enough carries to overcome Mateer in rushing attempts. Relying on true freshman running back is not exactly a great recipe for success either.
We've faired well on injuries and we're through the tough part of the schedule. Mateer ain't going anyway unless he gets hurt. Of course that will not stop the blowhards from blowing.
I think the majority don't want Mateer to go away, they want Arbuckle to use his to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. These drop back scan the field passes are triggering everyone's Falk ptsd as the seconds tick away and Mateer scans left, Mateer scan right, left, then right again, then scrambles and might get yards might not. There aren't as many negative plays as CW or LF as a result of not being able to find a WR, so that's a positive, but it is obviously not one of his strengths.
One read passes, RPO with a quick hitter right in front of him, a 9 route with a 1v1 - those are his strengths. I can count on both hands the number of times we ran those plays. Not to mention the complete and utter lack of a pure running game during the FSU game.
Short answer long - while he has his limitations, JM is a gifted athlete who's talents are being wasted on possibly the worst play calling I've seen in a decade. Arbuckle is out of his depth, plain and simple.
Yards doesn’t win games points does. The yards we had against BSU is pretty misleading, we piled up some garbage time yards. They gave up 40+ to Georgia Southern, we shouldn’t have needed garbage time yards against that defense, BSUs defense is not great.
To answer Ed, yes, Arbuckles seat should be warm. The last two weeks have been a shit show offensively with a guy at QB who is a unique weapon when used properly. This on top of several games last year that were awful. Zona and UCLA immediately come to mind. He’s getting out coached regularly and how he’s using Mateer is absurd…borderline criminal.
He’s getting paid 700K a year and this is not good enough. People on this board could come up with better game plans for the personnel we have for a lot less $$. Biggs is making $2500 coaching the JV HS team. Hell I’d do it for free.
Cmon Gibbons Parker isn’t a typical freshman. He wants the ball, he plays with an edge, he runs hard, and he picks up blitzes and catches the ball. He plays like a RS junior. Hes plenty capable of 15-20 touches a game especially when a defense isn’t capable of stopping him. He had 12 carries against FSU averaging 6 a carry. I can almost promise you the way he was running with 5+ more touches and being more involved in the flow of the game he would have broke a 30/40+ yarder. He’s that kind of weapon we haven’t had in the backfield since Borghi. And Arbuckle ignored him for 2/3 of the game.
