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Okay, I am going to post this in a new thread instead of getting it buried in the swamp of the Michigan State thread. Just read it this morning and thought it was a good analysis. To me, it rather encapsulates Trump and the two sides. One side says we don't care much about his personal foibles and shortcomings, we want someone running the country that knows what is good for the country and its economy. The other side says we are so disgusted with who he is and how he acts (DAMN those mean tweets!) that we don't really care who is running the country or how good a job he does, just as long as it isn't Trump.

AFAIK, Stossel is a Libertarian, and I think he has done a lot of actual journalism over his career. One thing I did notice that he had wrong in this article is when he mentions a possible crime when Trump uses campaign funds to pay for the Non-Disclosure Agreement. That did not happen, no campaign funds were used, and the FEC (Federal Election Commission) ruled that there was no campaign finance violation. However, That is exactly what John Edwards did when he was running for president and he was assessed a fine and no prosecution was brought against him.

For your reading and commenting enjoyment.........



Trump Good and Evil



The Stossel TV Studio is just a block from Trump Tower.

Today, noisy helicopters hover, and sidewalks are pointlessly blocked by the usual politics/media excess: too many barricades manned by too many bored police officers.

The predicted "big demonstration!" and "possible violence" are not visible.

Donald Trump left for the courthouse around 1 p.m. to turn himself in. He was booked and fingerprinted at the courthouse. He then pled not guilty to the 34-count charge of falsifying records to hide hush money payments.

Presidents should not be above the law, but neither should they face politically motivated charges.



Manhattan district attorneys campaigned on opposing Trump, bragging, "I have sued Trump more than a hundred times!" He suggested he would be best choice to get Trump before he even saw the evidence. That's just wrong. Federal prosecutors did see the evidence and decided against charging Trump.

Using campaign funds to pay someone to keep silent about sex may well violate the rules, but most campaign finance rules are useless, and no serious person thinks this case would ever be brought against anyone other than Trump.

This is a slippery slope to banana republic.

On the other hand, Trump definitely is a horrible person.

In his real estate business, he cheated the little people, cleverly using our slow and expensive justice system to avoid paying what he owed.

As president, he was unpresidential and childish. He's vain, selfish and mean. He doesn't read or listen to advice from smart people, and he lies again and again. I hate him.

Yet it would be better for America if he were president today, instead of Joe Biden.

Nothing is more important to more people, especially the poor, than a solid dollar and a growing economy.

Trump's presidency brought us closer to that than today's Democrats ever will.

Trump knows how government can kill growth. He criticized "job-crushing regulations," saying he'd eliminate two of them for every new one passed. He didn't, but he did repeal some big ones: allowing more oil drilling, reducing the Environmental Protection Agency's power to regulate waterways that are barely waterways, ending Barack Obama's regulations forcing automakers to make "greener" cars (Biden reimposed them), and allowing internet service providers to charge different rates for different services (repealing the destructive net neutrality).

His words alone sent a message: "Not everyone needs welfare. You can work!"

Under Obama, people stopped looking for work. Democrats' message was: Poor people are victims of an unfair system; you need handouts.

Under Trump, people started working again. Six million Americans were hired. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low.

Trump signed the First Step Act, reducing long prison sentences for drug-related offenses.

He launched Operation Warp Speed, speeding production of Covid vaccines.

He appointed judges who believe in free speech and limited government.

Hooray for President Trump!

But then there's the evil Trump.

He lies and breaks promises.

Trump promised he would "cut spending, big league" and then increased spending.

Biden's been worse; this administration's crazy spending is why inflation is killing your savings. But Trump was little better. He increased spending from an already astounding $4.1 trillion in 2017 to $6.55 trillion in 2020.

Trump promised to end America's wars. He didn't. In fact, he signed a massive $738 billion defense bill, bragging that it was "an all-time record!" At least Trump, unlike his predecessors, didn't start new wars.

Trump imposed tariffs on China, ignorantly claiming they'd protect American consumers. Instead, the tariffs punished American consumers and businesses. So Trump then gave billions of your dollars to farmers and others hurt by his tariffs.

Finally, Trump refused to accept the results of the election. For 224 years, our democracy has had a peaceful transfer of power. Trump ended that.

He lied about voter fraud. He told his supporters, "Fight like hell."

On Jan. 6, he did tell them to "peacefully" march to the Capitol, but when things got ugly, he did nothing. Only hours later did he post a video asking protesters to go home.

Today he shows no remorse for any of the nasty things he did.

Because of Trump, Biden will probably be reelected.

 
Stossel is more eloquent in his thought process and words than me.

Of course, he's getting paid way more and I'm typing between calls and meetings.

Trump good/Biden good - unlikely
Trump good/Biden bad - unlikely.
Trump bad/Biden good - again highly unlikely
Trump bad/Biden bad - the most likely case and just a matter of who is more bad.

At this point, I'd go back to 2016/2017 in a heartbeat.
 
Stossel is more eloquent in his thought process and words than me.

Of course, he's getting paid way more and I'm typing between calls and meetings.

Trump good/Biden good - unlikely
Trump good/Biden bad - unlikely.
Trump bad/Biden good - again highly unlikely
Trump bad/Biden bad - the most likely case and just a matter of who is more bad.

At this point, I'd go back to 2016/2017 in a heartbeat.
The most likely case is that - being flawed human beings they are a mix of each, as we all are. And the most certain case is that they are not exactly the same "good" or "bad" as is the case for the rest of us.

However, as a matter of fact some of us are more good than bad and others are more bad than good. No one is pure evil. And if we are going off of a general definition of good and bad that most reasonable people could agree on, trump is clearly more bad than Biden.

That is shown by their respective and collective life-long actions.
That's all I have to say about that.
 
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No one is pure evil.

Cougs and Ducks agree:

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Okay, I am going to post this in a new thread instead of getting it buried in the swamp of the Michigan State thread. Just read it this morning and thought it was a good analysis. To me, it rather encapsulates Trump and the two sides. One side says we don't care much about his personal foibles and shortcomings, we want someone running the country that knows what is good for the country and its economy. The other side says we are so disgusted with who he is and how he acts (DAMN those mean tweets!) that we don't really care who is running the country or how good a job he does, just as long as it isn't Trump.

AFAIK, Stossel is a Libertarian, and I think he has done a lot of actual journalism over his career. One thing I did notice that he had wrong in this article is when he mentions a possible crime when Trump uses campaign funds to pay for the Non-Disclosure Agreement. That did not happen, no campaign funds were used, and the FEC (Federal Election Commission) ruled that there was no campaign finance violation. However, That is exactly what John Edwards did when he was running for president and he was assessed a fine and no prosecution was brought against him.

For your reading and commenting enjoyment.........



Trump Good and Evil



The Stossel TV Studio is just a block from Trump Tower.

Today, noisy helicopters hover, and sidewalks are pointlessly blocked by the usual politics/media excess: too many barricades manned by too many bored police officers.

The predicted "big demonstration!" and "possible violence" are not visible.

Donald Trump left for the courthouse around 1 p.m. to turn himself in. He was booked and fingerprinted at the courthouse. He then pled not guilty to the 34-count charge of falsifying records to hide hush money payments.

Presidents should not be above the law, but neither should they face politically motivated charges.




Manhattan district attorneys campaigned on opposing Trump, bragging, "I have sued Trump more than a hundred times!" He suggested he would be best choice to get Trump before he even saw the evidence. That's just wrong. Federal prosecutors did see the evidence and decided against charging Trump.

Using campaign funds to pay someone to keep silent about sex may well violate the rules, but most campaign finance rules are useless, and no serious person thinks this case would ever be brought against anyone other than Trump.

This is a slippery slope to banana republic.

On the other hand, Trump definitely is a horrible person.

In his real estate business, he cheated the little people, cleverly using our slow and expensive justice system to avoid paying what he owed.

As president, he was unpresidential and childish. He's vain, selfish and mean. He doesn't read or listen to advice from smart people, and he lies again and again. I hate him.

Yet it would be better for America if he were president today, instead of Joe Biden.

Nothing is more important to more people, especially the poor, than a solid dollar and a growing economy.

Trump's presidency brought us closer to that than today's Democrats ever will.

Trump knows how government can kill growth. He criticized "job-crushing regulations," saying he'd eliminate two of them for every new one passed. He didn't, but he did repeal some big ones: allowing more oil drilling, reducing the Environmental Protection Agency's power to regulate waterways that are barely waterways, ending Barack Obama's regulations forcing automakers to make "greener" cars (Biden reimposed them), and allowing internet service providers to charge different rates for different services (repealing the destructive net neutrality).

His words alone sent a message: "Not everyone needs welfare. You can work!"

Under Obama, people stopped looking for work. Democrats' message was: Poor people are victims of an unfair system; you need handouts.

Under Trump, people started working again. Six million Americans were hired. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low.

Trump signed the First Step Act, reducing long prison sentences for drug-related offenses.

He launched Operation Warp Speed, speeding production of Covid vaccines.

He appointed judges who believe in free speech and limited government.

Hooray for President Trump!

But then there's the evil Trump.

He lies and breaks promises.

Trump promised he would "cut spending, big league" and then increased spending.

Biden's been worse; this administration's crazy spending is why inflation is killing your savings. But Trump was little better. He increased spending from an already astounding $4.1 trillion in 2017 to $6.55 trillion in 2020.

Trump promised to end America's wars. He didn't. In fact, he signed a massive $738 billion defense bill, bragging that it was "an all-time record!" At least Trump, unlike his predecessors, didn't start new wars.

Trump imposed tariffs on China, ignorantly claiming they'd protect American consumers. Instead, the tariffs punished American consumers and businesses. So Trump then gave billions of your dollars to farmers and others hurt by his tariffs.

Finally, Trump refused to accept the results of the election. For 224 years, our democracy has had a peaceful transfer of power. Trump ended that.

He lied about voter fraud. He told his supporters, "Fight like hell."

On Jan. 6, he did tell them to "peacefully" march to the Capitol, but when things got ugly, he did nothing. Only hours later did he post a video asking protesters to go home.

Today he shows no remorse for any of the nasty things he did.

Because of Trump, Biden will probably be reelected.
The thing I remember about Stossel is when he got beat up by a pro wrestler on camera when Stossel asked if pro wrestling is real. The wrestler beat the $hit out of him stated, "Is this fake" This must have been 30 years ago! I'm old.
 
Okay, I am going to post this in a new thread instead of getting it buried in the swamp of the Michigan State thread. Just read it this morning and thought it was a good analysis. To me, it rather encapsulates Trump and the two sides. One side says we don't care much about his personal foibles and shortcomings, we want someone running the country that knows what is good for the country and its economy. The other side says we are so disgusted with who he is and how he acts (DAMN those mean tweets!) that we don't really care who is running the country or how good a job he does, just as long as it isn't Trump.

AFAIK, Stossel is a Libertarian, and I think he has done a lot of actual journalism over his career. One thing I did notice that he had wrong in this article is when he mentions a possible crime when Trump uses campaign funds to pay for the Non-Disclosure Agreement. That did not happen, no campaign funds were used, and the FEC (Federal Election Commission) ruled that there was no campaign finance violation. However, That is exactly what John Edwards did when he was running for president and he was assessed a fine and no prosecution was brought against him.

For your reading and commenting enjoyment.........



Trump Good and Evil



The Stossel TV Studio is just a block from Trump Tower.

Today, noisy helicopters hover, and sidewalks are pointlessly blocked by the usual politics/media excess: too many barricades manned by too many bored police officers.

The predicted "big demonstration!" and "possible violence" are not visible.

Donald Trump left for the courthouse around 1 p.m. to turn himself in. He was booked and fingerprinted at the courthouse. He then pled not guilty to the 34-count charge of falsifying records to hide hush money payments.

Presidents should not be above the law, but neither should they face politically motivated charges.




Manhattan district attorneys campaigned on opposing Trump, bragging, "I have sued Trump more than a hundred times!" He suggested he would be best choice to get Trump before he even saw the evidence. That's just wrong. Federal prosecutors did see the evidence and decided against charging Trump.

Using campaign funds to pay someone to keep silent about sex may well violate the rules, but most campaign finance rules are useless, and no serious person thinks this case would ever be brought against anyone other than Trump.

This is a slippery slope to banana republic.

On the other hand, Trump definitely is a horrible person.

In his real estate business, he cheated the little people, cleverly using our slow and expensive justice system to avoid paying what he owed.

As president, he was unpresidential and childish. He's vain, selfish and mean. He doesn't read or listen to advice from smart people, and he lies again and again. I hate him.

Yet it would be better for America if he were president today, instead of Joe Biden.

Nothing is more important to more people, especially the poor, than a solid dollar and a growing economy.

Trump's presidency brought us closer to that than today's Democrats ever will.

Trump knows how government can kill growth. He criticized "job-crushing regulations," saying he'd eliminate two of them for every new one passed. He didn't, but he did repeal some big ones: allowing more oil drilling, reducing the Environmental Protection Agency's power to regulate waterways that are barely waterways, ending Barack Obama's regulations forcing automakers to make "greener" cars (Biden reimposed them), and allowing internet service providers to charge different rates for different services (repealing the destructive net neutrality).

His words alone sent a message: "Not everyone needs welfare. You can work!"

Under Obama, people stopped looking for work. Democrats' message was: Poor people are victims of an unfair system; you need handouts.

Under Trump, people started working again. Six million Americans were hired. Unemployment dropped to a 50-year low.

Trump signed the First Step Act, reducing long prison sentences for drug-related offenses.

He launched Operation Warp Speed, speeding production of Covid vaccines.

He appointed judges who believe in free speech and limited government.

Hooray for President Trump!

But then there's the evil Trump.

He lies and breaks promises.

Trump promised he would "cut spending, big league" and then increased spending.

Biden's been worse; this administration's crazy spending is why inflation is killing your savings. But Trump was little better. He increased spending from an already astounding $4.1 trillion in 2017 to $6.55 trillion in 2020.

Trump promised to end America's wars. He didn't. In fact, he signed a massive $738 billion defense bill, bragging that it was "an all-time record!" At least Trump, unlike his predecessors, didn't start new wars.

Trump imposed tariffs on China, ignorantly claiming they'd protect American consumers. Instead, the tariffs punished American consumers and businesses. So Trump then gave billions of your dollars to farmers and others hurt by his tariffs.

Finally, Trump refused to accept the results of the election. For 224 years, our democracy has had a peaceful transfer of power. Trump ended that.

He lied about voter fraud. He told his supporters, "Fight like hell."

On Jan. 6, he did tell them to "peacefully" march to the Capitol, but when things got ugly, he did nothing. Only hours later did he post a video asking protesters to go home.

Today he shows no remorse for any of the nasty things he did.

Because of Trump, Biden will probably be reelected.
Stossel doesn't goose-step to the leftist drum, so whether hes Libertarian, communist, socialist, work party, green party, or republican he's an extreme right wing schill according to any/everyone who leans left and therefore must be disregarded completely.
 
I try to avoid these threads, but I'll just give a short comment that fits how I feel about this. Just my humble opinion.

A total B*stard can be an effective president. I don't have to like him.

However, just because he is a total B*stard does not automatically make him effective.

I fire people who make too many mistakes, or do illegal things, or who make the same mistake repeatedly. I assume you folks do the same.

The "you're fired" moment for me was when it became clear that he was trying to circumvent the election, when he put pressure on a couple of Republican-led states to invalidate their election results, and then fomented an attack on the capitol. For those who insist that he did not foment that attack, then I have to assume that you are telling me that he was simply too stupid to understand how his comments would be taken. Either way, he's fired. My country is more important than this guy. He clearly does not feel the same. Let's move on with someone less tainted. I'd love to see the republicans run someone I could vote for, since the bulk of their traditional positions on matters are my preference. I'm still a registered republican, but like so many other business owners I know, I absolutely cannot tolerate any more Trump. If by some miracle he gets the nomination, or that toad DeSantis gets the nomination, the Demos will win unless they run a complete idiot. I hold Trump and the cowards in the party who have enabled him responsible for the electoral success of the democrats. That is how the system works. Run good people or there will be consequences. Failing that, you have to at least run the "least bad" person. We'll see how the primaries go.
 
It boggles my mind that there are so many dim, or flawed people elected to such high positions of power. I have countless people in my network circle that could do laps around these fools - Repub or Dem.

Biden is badly flawed, Trump is badly flawed. How the F did we allow ourselves to get here? That is the real question.

As a conservative, I'd still prefer a flawed Trump ran country over a lame duck, stands for nothing, weak Joe Biden (worse than Jimmy Carter). But I don't want Trump as president again. I'd gladly take Obama over Biden at this point. What I really want is some of the good displayed from Trump, encapsulated into a real leader, without baggage, that truly makes an effort to unite all sides. I truly believe that Trump had strengths as a president, same for Obama, but I can't say the same for Joe Biden. He just sucks, same for the cackling VP.

Does that make me an orange, nut licking Trumper?
 
Stossel is more eloquent in his thought process and words than me.

Of course, he's getting paid way more and I'm typing between calls and meetings.

Trump good/Biden good - unlikely
Trump good/Biden bad - unlikely.
Trump bad/Biden good - again highly unlikely
Trump bad/Biden bad - the most likely case and just a matter of who is more bad.

At this point, I'd go back to 2016/2017 in a heartbeat.
Yep...the good ole days.....
 
It boggles my mind that there are so many dim, or flawed people elected to such high positions of power. I have countless people in my network circle that could do laps around these fools - Repub or Dem.

Biden is badly flawed, Trump is badly flawed. How the F did we allow ourselves to get here? That is the real question.

As a conservative, I'd still prefer a flawed Trump ran country over a lame duck, stands for nothing, weak Joe Biden (worse than Jimmy Carter). But I don't want Trump as president again. I'd gladly take Obama over Biden at this point. What I really want is some of the good displayed from Trump, encapsulated into a real leader, without baggage, that truly makes an effort to unite all sides. I truly believe that Trump had strengths as a president, same for Obama, but I can't say the same for Joe Biden. He just sucks, same for the cackling VP.

Does that make me an orange, nut licking Trumper?
ACG.....My late mother in law was born in Italy, the time of Mussolini. Her father was in the service. She was young and left when he was 20, but she was there in WW2. Mussolini was a strong leader, great speaker. He too had great strengths as a leader.
 
Stossel is more eloquent in his thought process and words than me.

Of course, he's getting paid way more and I'm typing between calls and meetings.

Trump good/Biden good - unlikely
Trump good/Biden bad - unlikely.
Trump bad/Biden good - again highly unlikely
Trump bad/Biden bad - the most likely case and just a matter of who is more bad.

At this point, I'd go back to 2016/2017 in a heartbeat.
Much appreciated take. Biden sucks. The only thing good about Biden is he replaced Trump.

Biden is a decent human but a bad president. Trump is self serving and that’s about it. He would burn down the country to make things a little better for himself.

Will be great when everyone can move on from both. But as long as there are a decent chunk of people wearing red hats, you’re going to have people voting for Biden. If you’re a conservative/R best thing you can do is flush trump and support a worthy candidate. Until then we are going to be stuck with what we have.
 
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