It is crazy who actually took their turns driving the bus

[CougEd]

1) Stanford and Cal thumbed their noses at any Big 12 institutions moving to the Pac 12. Then Stanford felt their name and endowment and any income shortcomings from conference alignment would be self funded and made them more attractive. So they screwed everyone early then late. Their reward...the nearest team to Cal and Stanford is Louisville. So much for student athlets

2) Prime Slime and CU. He always made it know he wanted CU to join the Big 12 because of Texas recruiting. What he doesn't understand is LA is only an extra 35 minute flight from Denver than Denver to Dallas. Also, it escapes him when CU was good they were pulling players in from LA. So a team that hasn't done anything in 20 plus years got their hands on the wheel and pulled up stakes.

It is crazy that the Big 12 would rather have CU, Arizona and ASU than WSU. WSU was number 4 in number of TV sets the last 10 years, In 2022 they were 6th. Care to guess where Arizona, ASU, and CU ranked? Cal Stanford?

Oregon was 1 in 2022, USC, UCLA, Utah, UW then WSU

Over the last 30 years how many times has CU, Arizona, Cal, Stanford, OSU, UCLA ASU won the conference championship?

 

[gpcoug]

It seems pretty clear none of this is based or performance or even viewership. Just about selling media markets.

 

[M-I-Coug]

It seems pretty clear none of this is based or performance or even viewership. Just about selling media markets.

But the bottom line is:

Washington State is the Seattle market
Oregon State is the Portland market

The administrators failed to be pro-active to sell the media and conferences about both the Seattle and Portland market.

Instead, they were reactive.

A little too late now.

 

[gpcoug]

But the bottom line is:

Washington State is the Seattle market
Oregon State is the Portland market

The administrators failed to be pro-active to sell the media and conferences about both the Seattle and Portland market.

Instead, they were reactive.

A little too late now.

I am sure they have. I think the fan base may be slightly overestimating what could have been done at OSU and WSU to avoid this outcome. You can put all the numbers you want out there but it's about perception and clearly no one cares, it's been this way prior to the pac dissolving. You can f8ght and tell all you want but at the end of the day the other conference still has to say yes. I fully expect to see more realignment and other smaller market non super power schools to get booted.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

But the bottom line is:

Washington State is the Seattle market
Oregon State is the Portland market

The administrators failed to be pro-active to sell the media and conferences about both the Seattle and Portland market.

Instead, they were reactive.

A little too late now.

The bigger bottom line is that WSU averaged 26,000 fans last year. Oregon State averaged 28,000. That puts both schools at the bottom of the conference in fan support. Couple that with remote locations that are not geographically close to the TV markets that we share with more prominent “flagship” universities and it’s no surprise that WSU and OSU are on the outside looking in.

FWIW, Stanford was #10 in attendance and Cal was #9 in attendance. Weirdly, the schools with the poorest fan support were the four that were on the outside looking in. We can talk about Seattle and Portland all we want and we can point to our TV ratings, but both WSU and OSU are the little brothers with fanbases that look more like MWC fan bases than B1G or Big 12 fan bases. The truth hurts sometimes.

 

[sylean]

eugene is a trash heap and it just lost its hospital.....its got a big homeless problem.....

not one old pac 12 team gets as many fans consistantly as say a tenn or alabama....

 

[M-I-Coug]

eugene is a trash heap and it just lost its hospital.....its got a big homeless problem.....

not one old pac 12 team gets as many fans consistantly as say a tenn or alabama....

I guess the last two cities that Fentanyl addiction hasn't impacted is Pullman and Corvallis, or are there tents now in Corvallis, too?

Edit: I found my answer. I suppose the Cartels have not found Pullman on the map. Either that or the Pullman Police haul them up to Spokane.

Increasing visibility of homeless camping in Corvallis

A seemingly futile ongoing shuffle of homeless people from campsite to campsite continues in Corvallis, despite costly city and state sweeps and the efforts of homeless advocates.

gazettetimes.com

 

[Suudy]

The bigger bottom line is that WSU averaged 26,000 fans last year. Oregon State averaged 28,000. That puts both schools at the bottom of the conference in fan support. Couple that with remote locations that are not geographically close to the TV markets that we share with more prominent “flagship” universities and it’s no surprise that WSU and OSU are on the outside looking

Corvallis is closer to Portland, and the road out is plenty wide and fast.

It’s not about geography. It’s abou $$$.

 

[Cougsocal]

The ACC just made a killing. They just added two of the best universities on the plant, with two of the best non-revenues sports programs, 42 billion dollars in endowment to the conference and academi fold, for peanuts! Only in America is a liberal arts college in Oregon and a school whose most famous alum is a serial killer, considered the better "catch." Ultimate in the business that is higher ed, the ACC just hit the lotto. You only need to take a few step back from the concept that universities exist to maintain athletic departments, to realize that. Give the ACC Commissioner a raise, he is a smart cookie!

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Corvallis is closer to Portland, and the road out is plenty wide and fast.

It’s not about geography. It’s abou $$$.

Oregon has the benefit of being the flagship university. It also helps that Uncle Phil pumped money into the Ducks decades ago and allowed them to experience some sustained success. Corvallis is still considered geographically remote with a fan base that is dwarfed by the Ducks

 

[Chucksizzle1]

Those endowments are mysterious. Billions of dollars , invested money where Black Rocks rules on ESG apply. So much hypocrisy. just a small portion of the interest on these endowments should make tuition free.

 

[95coug]

The bigger bottom line is that WSU averaged 26,000 fans last year. Oregon State averaged 28,000. That puts both schools at the bottom of the conference in fan support. Couple that with remote locations that are not geographically close to the TV markets that we share with more prominent “flagship” universities and it’s no surprise that WSU and OSU are on the outside looking in.

FWIW, Stanford was #10 in attendance and Cal was #9 in attendance. Weirdly, the schools with the poorest fan support were the four that were on the outside looking in. We can talk about Seattle and Portland all we want and we can point to our TV ratings, but both WSU and OSU are the little brothers with fanbases that look more like MWC fan bases than B1G or Big 12 fan bases. The truth hurts sometimes.

Attendance is meaningless, viewership is more important. Even more important than that is market potential. Cal and Stanford have the potential of the entire Bay Area. SMU has Dallas. None of them currently draw many viewers, but they could.

OSU has southwest oregon. WSU has eastern Washington. Their fan bases are what they are, there’s no real growth potential.

At least, that’s the perception.

 

[Chucksizzle1]

Attendance is meaningless, viewership is more important. Even more important than that is market potential. Cal and Stanford have the potential of the entire Bay Area. SMU has Dallas. None of them currently draw many viewers, but they could.

OSU has southwest oregon. WSU has eastern Washington. Their fan bases are what they are, there’s no real growth potential.

At least, that’s the perception.

They are Both quality programs with history, odd they would not be offered spots in the big 12. They are every bit as good of programs as Texas tech, Kansas, ucf, Houston, Iowa state , West Virginia

 

[wazzucougs96]

The bigger bottom line is that WSU averaged 26,000 fans last year. Oregon State averaged 28,000. That puts both schools at the bottom of the conference in fan support. Couple that with remote locations that are not geographically close to the TV markets that we share with more prominent “flagship” universities and it’s no surprise that WSU and OSU are on the outside looking in.

FWIW, Stanford was #10 in attendance and Cal was #9 in attendance. Weirdly, the schools with the poorest fan support were the four that were on the outside looking in. We can talk about Seattle and Portland all we want and we can point to our TV ratings, but both WSU and OSU are the little brothers with fanbases that look more like MWC fan bases than B1G or Big 12 fan bases. The truth hurts sometimes.

SMU averaged under 25k last year and has a rolling 5 year average under 22k.

No one goes to Vanderbilt and Northwestern games, except for opposing fanbases.

Attendance means nothing.

 

[95coug]

They are Both quality programs with history, odd they would not be offered spots in the big 12. They are every bit as good of programs as Texas tech, Kansas, ucf, Houston, Iowa state , West Virginia

Program quality doesn’t mean anything either. Indiana, Illinois, Maryland. Vanderbilt, UCF. SMU. None of these teams have a seat at the table due to the quality of their football programs. They’re in because they provide access to markets.

And, because the blue bloods need to keep around some teams to beat regularly.

 

[CougPatrol]

The bigger bottom line is that WSU averaged 26,000 fans last year. Oregon State averaged 28,000. That puts both schools at the bottom of the conference in fan support. Couple that with remote locations that are not geographically close to the TV markets that we share with more prominent “flagship” universities and it’s no surprise that WSU and OSU are on the outside looking in.

FWIW, Stanford was #10 in attendance and Cal was #9 in attendance. Weirdly, the schools with the poorest fan support were the four that were on the outside looking in. We can talk about Seattle and Portland all we want and we can point to our TV ratings, but both WSU and OSU are the little brothers with fanbases that look more like MWC fan bases than B1G or Big 12 fan bases. The truth hurts sometimes.

Stanford and Cal are appealing for so many reasons. Beyond football attendance. They’re elite academic institutions, their athletic departments, top to bottom, are outstanding, and they’re geographically/logistically convenient.

Pullman is a pain in the ass to get to. The location is what drew me there, and I absolutely love the Palouse, but it’s anything but convenient.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

1) Stanford and Cal thumbed their noses at any Big 12 institutions moving to the Pac 12. Then Stanford felt their name and endowment and any income shortcomings from conference alignment would be self funded and made them more attractive. So they screwed everyone early then late. Their reward...the nearest team to Cal and Stanford is Louisville. So much for student athlets

2) Prime Slime and CU. He always made it know he wanted CU to join the Big 12 because of Texas recruiting. What he doesn't understand is LA is only an extra 35 minute flight from Denver than Denver to Dallas. Also, it escapes him when CU was good they were pulling players in from LA. So a team that hasn't done anything in 20 plus years got their hands on the wheel and pulled up stakes.

It is crazy that the Big 12 would rather have CU, Arizona and ASU than WSU. WSU was number 4 in number of TV sets the last 10 years, In 2022 they were 6th. Care to guess where Arizona, ASU, and CU ranked? Cal Stanford?

Oregon was 1 in 2022, USC, UCLA, Utah, UW then WSU

Over the last 30 years how many times has CU, Arizona, Cal, Stanford, OSU, UCLA ASU won the conference championship?

Wait a minute here Ed.

I thought you loved change. Even change just for change's sake.

I thought you loved trashing and smashing traditions in society? That's what you have stood for over the years. Got a tradition? Then Ed wants to destroy it no matter how well it has functioned in our country and in our cultuGuess what? You've now got your change and destroying of tradition. Congratulations. The sports fans will be better for it, right? Of course, because in your world change is always good. Especially when it consolidates power at higher levels.

Have fun! Now you have a glimpse of how many of us have felt over the years while effective and long-held traditions have been trashed by the likes of you and your cohorts.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Stanford and Cal are appealing for so many reasons. Beyond football attendance. They’re elite academic institutions, their athletic departments, top to bottom, are outstanding, and they’re geographically/logistically convenient.

Pullman is a pain in the ass to get to. The location is what drew me there, and I absolutely love the Palouse, but it’s anything but convenient.

It's clear all these execs don't do any research. You can land a 737 in Pullman now. The stadium is probably the easiest to get to from the airport. But it's the perception of the remoteness of Pullman (and Corvallis), that schools don't want to deal with.

EDIT: sentence structure.

 

[Coug90]

It's clear all these execs don't do any research. You can land a 737 in Pullman now. The stadium is probably the easiest to get to from the airport. But it's the perception of the remoteness of Pullman (and Corvallis), that schools don't want to deal with.

EDIT: sentence structure.

You can probably get 9 holes in at PR and get to the stadium in the time it takes to get from LAX to the coliseum or RB.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

You can probably get 9 holes in at PR and get to the stadium in the time it takes to get from LAX to the coliseum or RB.

I bet you could play 36...with lunch in the middle.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

It's clear all these execs don't do any research. You can land a 737 in Pullman now. The stadium is probably the easiest to get to from the airport. But it's the perception of the remoteness of Pullman (and Corvallis), that schools don't want to deal with.

EDIT: sentence structure.

"Now?" It's been available for 737s for years.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

"Now?" It's been available for 737s for years.

Eh, the past couple of years. Once the runway was restructured and finished.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Eh, the past couple of years. Once the runway was restructured and finished.

Oh okay. I thought it was before then. How long is the runway? I guess it was an obstacle issue before the realignment?

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Oh okay. I thought it was before then. How long is the runway? I guess it was an obstacle issue before the realignment?

This article can speak to the specifics better than I can: https://airportimprovement.com/arti...ional-required-perseverance-broad-cooperation

But IIRC, they had to change the angle of the runway to allow for the correct landing procedure for 737s, on top of extending and widening it, so that took awhile.

 

[CougPatrol]

It's clear all these execs don't do any research. You can land a 737 in Pullman now. The stadium is probably the easiest to get to from the airport. But it's the perception of the remoteness of Pullman (and Corvallis), that schools don't want to deal with.

EDIT: sentence structure.

It's not a perception of remoteness, it is remoteness. Yea, you can fly into Pullman/Lewiston, but what's the perceived benefit for opposing programs? The weather sucks past October 15th, it's not a destination trip for their alumni, we have the smallest stadium in the conference, there are zero recruiting opportunities.

Objectively, if you're pitching programs to media partners and opposing conferences, why choose WSU over a half dozen other programs?

 

[CougSinceBirth]

It's not a perception of remoteness, it is remoteness. Yea, you can fly into Pullman/Lewiston, but what's the perceived benefit for opposing programs? The weather sucks past October 15th, it's not a destination trip for their alumni, we have the smallest stadium in the conference, there are zero recruiting opportunities.

Objectively, if you're pitching programs to media partners and opposing conferences, why choose WSU over a half dozen other programs?

You can literally land and be at the stadium or hotel in 10 minutes. Where else does that happen? It's easy. Bad weather? You can still land a plane.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

This article can speak to the specifics better than I can: https://airportimprovement.com/arti...ional-required-perseverance-broad-cooperation

But IIRC, they had to change the angle of the runway to allow for the correct landing procedure for 737s, on top of extending and widening it, so that took awhile.

Yes if I recall you are correct. But to HDTH's comment about 737's landing for years, he's not totally incorrect. I remember UCLA flying in here in a 737 20? years ago. I think we had some sort of temporary exemption

 

[Loyal Coug1]

You can literally land and be at the stadium or hotel in 10 minutes. Where else does that happen? It's easy. Bad weather? You can still land a plane.

Oh I'm sure LAX is a 10 minute drive to the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum.

Sane with Sea-Tac and mutt stadium

 

[kougkurt]

Oh I'm sure LAX is a 10 minute drive to the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum.

Sane with Sea-Tac and mutt stadium

Loyal. Texting from the camper?