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I find this sentiment of dissatisfaction with this COUG team puzzling.

It's the perfect example of "comparison is the thief of joy".

I've never once gone into a COUG football season wondering how the current team would stack up vs previous versions.

All I have ever cared about is how they stack up vs the teams on their schedule, what kind of national interest the team generates, how much I look forward to the upcoming games on their schedule (because they are entertaining and engaging me as a fan) and if they ultimately have a shot at anything of national importance by the end of the season.

THIS team has delivered on all of the above! Each individual season is all that matters. Next year I'll only care about THAT team.

But for those of you who want to compare...which Seahawk team was better? The 2009-10 team that went 7-9 and beat the saints in a playoff game or the 2017 team that was 10-6 and lost in the first round. Probably the 2017 team was "better". Which team was more successful and (as fans) gave you a better feeling? Obviously the 7-9 team.

Again, comparison is robbing you of any joy in addition to embracing the "perfect being the enemy of the good" mindset. Taihtsat
 
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I was hoping I could read something that would make me dumber today. You always deliver Biggs!
Biggs seems to underestimate the role of the head coach vs position coaches.

In this current climate, as the CEO of the football program, measured in about anyway a head coach can be held responsible, dickert has been great from wins and losses to retaining talent, selling the program and being a voice for the disadvantaged and left-behind programs. Taihtsat
 
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I find this sentiment of dissatisfaction with this COUG team puzzling.

It's the perfect example of "comparison is the thief of joy".

I've never once gone into a COUG football season wondering how the current team would stack up vs previous versions.

All I have ever cared about is how they stack up vs the teams on their schedule, what kind of national interest the team generates, how much I look forward to the upcoming games on their schedule (because they are entertaining and engaging me as a fan) and if they ultimately have a shot at anything of national importance by the end of the season.

THIS team has delivered on all of the above! Each individual season is all that matters. Next year I'll only care about THAT team.

But for those of you who want to compare...which Seahawk team was better? The 2009-10 team that went 7-9 and beat the saints in a playoff game or the 2017 team that was 10-6 and lost in the first round. Probably the 2017 team was "better". Which team was more successful and (as fans) gave you a better feeling? Obviously the 7-9 team.

Again, comparison is robbing you of any joy in addition to embracing the "perfect being the enemy of the good" mindset. Taihtsat

I (and the other people commenting negatively) agree with the notion that we should focus on who we are playing in any given week and not expending any energy comparing this team to other WSU teams of the past. FWIW, we aren't the ones who are starting the "greatest team ever!" or "most successful season ever" conversations. Let's focus on what's going to happen against New Mexico tomorrow night, what bowl game we might be in or if we have a shot at the CFP.

If you want to see fewer people bitching about this team, a good place to start is for people to quit claiming that this is one of our best teams (or seasons) ever. We spent 20 years laughing at Boise State for going 11-1 against sh!t schedules like this so it's fuggin' preposterous that we should suddenly think that we have a championship level team because we are matching their feat...except we aren't because they whipped our asses by 21 points.

So yeah...let's talk about New Mexico instead of trying to perform yoga contortions to justify this being the greatest WSU team in our school history.
 
I loved Price and Doba. They were such genuinely nice people, and while they didn't win consistently, they gave us some teams and moments that knocked it out of the park. 1992, 1994, 1997, 2002, 2003. For me, those were the best years of Cougar Football.
And let's not forget that those teams won when the Pac-12 remained an elite football conference. Leach/Rolo/Dickert's winning was during an era when the conference was in major decline, a decline so bad that serious media money was no longer on the table leading to its collapse. The 2002 team had 3 NFL calibre corners, Paymah was a back up. Have we had three NFL calibre corners since?
 
And let's not forget that those teams won when the Pac-12 remained an elite football conference. Leach/Rolo/Dickert's winning was during an era when the conference was in major decline, a decline so bad that serious media money was no longer on the table leading to its collapse. The 2002 team had 3 NFL calibre corners, Paymah was a back up. Have we had three NFL calibre corners since?
Calibre? Did you move to England when we weren't looking? :) Other than that, I concur with your post.

 
The truth of the matter is this 2024 squad isn't must see TV.

1997? Yep.
2001, 2002 or 2003? Yep.
2018? Yep.

It felt like a chore turning on the game last Saturday and that was the first one I watched almost start to finish, outside of SJSU. Maybe it's just my apathetic nature toward CFB in general that is apart of that reasoning, but watching Saturday felt uninspiring, even with a W.
 
The truth of the matter is this 2024 squad isn't must see TV.

1997? Yep.
2001, 2002 or 2003? Yep.
2018? Yep.

It felt like a chore turning on the game last Saturday and that was the first one I watched almost start to finish, outside of SJSU. Maybe it's just my apathetic nature toward CFB in general that is apart of that reasoning, but watching Saturday felt uninspiring, even with a W.
I must be a different type of fan. I always find the Cougs to be must see TV. When they aren’t putting together fun seasons like this I tune in on Saturday for the hope of seeing improvement.
 
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I find this sentiment of dissatisfaction with this COUG team puzzling.

It's the perfect example of "comparison is the thief of joy".

I've never once gone into a COUG football season wondering how the current team would stack up vs previous versions.

All I have ever cared about is how they stack up vs the teams on their schedule, what kind of national interest the team generates, how much I look forward to the upcoming games on their schedule (because they are entertaining and engaging me as a fan) and if they ultimately have a shot at anything of national importance by the end of the season.

THIS team has delivered on all of the above! Each individual season is all that matters. Next year I'll only care about THAT team.

But for those of you who want to compare...which Seahawk team was better? The 2009-10 team that went 7-9 and beat the saints in a playoff game or the 2017 team that was 10-6 and lost in the first round. Probably the 2017 team was "better". Which team was more successful and (as fans) gave you a better feeling? Obviously the 7-9 team.

Again, comparison is robbing you of any joy in addition to embracing the "perfect being the enemy of the good" mindset. Taihtsat
Let me try to oversimplify this so it's easier to understand:

It's been generally agreed for years that playing FCS teams has pretty limited upside. If you win, nobody cares - you're supposed to. If you lose, the sky is falling. There's minimal satisfaction in beating an FCS team by 40...it's much more fun to beat a P5 team by 3 (for proof, look at one of our worst teams - in 2008 we beat Portland State 48-9, and UW 16-13. Which one of these does anyone really remember from that season?). Playing low-end G5 teams has generally been seen as only slightly better.

This season, our schedule is half (or more) FCS and low-end G5 teams. We're supposed to win these games. Doing it just meets expectations. Maybe it would feel better if we were destroying them every week, but in 3 of our last 6, we've done just barely enough to win...and even the Utah State win that was by a comfortable margin wasn't a very good performance.

People want to temper expectations by pointing out that the team is young or the QB is a sophomore. Fine, do that. But realize that that sophomore QB is probably our best player...which is a problem. And then realize that a young team should get better every week...and we're not. We still can't block, we still can't get pressure on the QB, and we're probably worse at covering receivers than we were in our first 3 games. We apparently had to take our bye week to work on tackling...which is so fundamental that it should never have to be an emphasis in college ball.

People also want to point out that 'we've 2 P4 teams and the #12 team' as if that means something. I'll tell you that I enjoyed the UW and TT wins at the time, but they're not looking that great anymore. UW isn't very good (they need to beat UCLA to get bowl eligible), and Texas Tech benefited from a soft early schedule. They've now lost 3 of 4 and may be looking at 6-6. And, we lost to BSU. Oh, and we used to play 9-10 P4 teams every year.

In spite of all this, people are bringing up this "best season in history" BS. Not by a long shot. We might end up with a pretty good record. 12-1 might look pretty good in the books, especially when all of us and our perspective are gone. But in the moment, and in the reality, it's artificial.

To be the best, you have to beat the best. We're not doing that. We're beating the teams we should beat...probably by less than we should.
 
Let me try to oversimplify this so it's easier to understand:

It's been generally agreed for years that playing FCS teams has pretty limited upside. If you win, nobody cares - you're supposed to. If you lose, the sky is falling. There's minimal satisfaction in beating an FCS team by 40...it's much more fun to beat a P5 team by 3 (for proof, look at one of our worst teams - in 2008 we beat Portland State 48-9, and UW 16-13. Which one of these does anyone really remember from that season?). Playing low-end G5 teams has generally been seen as only slightly better.

This season, our schedule is half (or more) FCS and low-end G5 teams. We're supposed to win these games. Doing it just meets expectations. Maybe it would feel better if we were destroying them every week, but in 3 of our last 6, we've done just barely enough to win...and even the Utah State win that was by a comfortable margin wasn't a very good performance.

People want to temper expectations by pointing out that the team is young or the QB is a sophomore. Fine, do that. But realize that that sophomore QB is probably our best player...which is a problem. And then realize that a young team should get better every week...and we're not. We still can't block, we still can't get pressure on the QB, and we're probably worse at covering receivers than we were in our first 3 games. We apparently had to take our bye week to work on tackling...which is so fundamental that it should never have to be an emphasis in college ball.

People also want to point out that 'we've 2 P4 teams and the #12 team' as if that means something. I'll tell you that I enjoyed the UW and TT wins at the time, but they're not looking that great anymore. UW isn't very good (they need to beat UCLA to get bowl eligible), and Texas Tech benefited from a soft early schedule. They've now lost 3 of 4 and may be looking at 6-6. And, we lost to BSU. Oh, and we used to play 9-10 P4 teams every year.

In spite of all this, people are bringing up this "best season in history" BS. Not by a long shot. We might end up with a pretty good record. 12-1 might look pretty good in the books, especially when all of us and our perspective are gone. But in the moment, and in the reality, it's artificial.

To be the best, you have to beat the best. We're not doing that. We're beating the teams we should beat...probably by less than we should.
The one thing I will say is that beating mediocre P4 teams in light of all of the criticisms you (and I in other posts) have put on this team does make those wins impressive. We're young, we have a troubling defense, blocking is still suspect, and JM is a soph; beating a P4 team is still a pretty big deal.
 
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Let me try to oversimplify this so it's easier to understand:

It's been generally agreed for years that playing FCS teams has pretty limited upside. If you win, nobody cares - you're supposed to. If you lose, the sky is falling. There's minimal satisfaction in beating an FCS team by 40...it's much more fun to beat a P5 team by 3 (for proof, look at one of our worst teams - in 2008 we beat Portland State 48-9, and UW 16-13. Which one of these does anyone really remember from that season?). Playing low-end G5 teams has generally been seen as only slightly better.

This season, our schedule is half (or more) FCS and low-end G5 teams. We're supposed to win these games. Doing it just meets expectations. Maybe it would feel better if we were destroying them every week, but in 3 of our last 6, we've done just barely enough to win...and even the Utah State win that was by a comfortable margin wasn't a very good performance.

People want to temper expectations by pointing out that the team is young or the QB is a sophomore. Fine, do that. But realize that that sophomore QB is probably our best player...which is a problem. And then realize that a young team should get better every week...and we're not. We still can't block, we still can't get pressure on the QB, and we're probably worse at covering receivers than we were in our first 3 games. We apparently had to take our bye week to work on tackling...which is so fundamental that it should never have to be an emphasis in college ball.

People also want to point out that 'we've 2 P4 teams and the #12 team' as if that means something. I'll tell you that I enjoyed the UW and TT wins at the time, but they're not looking that great anymore. UW isn't very good (they need to beat UCLA to get bowl eligible), and Texas Tech benefited from a soft early schedule. They've now lost 3 of 4 and may be looking at 6-6. And, we lost to BSU. Oh, and we used to play 9-10 P4 teams every year.

In spite of all this, people are bringing up this "best season in history" BS. Not by a long shot. We might end up with a pretty good record. 12-1 might look pretty good in the books, especially when all of us and our perspective are gone. But in the moment, and in the reality, it's artificial.

To be the best, you have to beat the best. We're not doing that. We're beating the teams we should beat...probably by less than we should.

The CoftRW will not tolerate this honesty!
 
I think you and I are about the same age, and you and I go back to CougZone with....(I can't remember his name from Tacoma).
I started on this board in 1997, and I think you were there, with several others, like Stretch, etc.

It's amazing how time has flown by. I had Glenn Johnson his very first year here....(he came up from LA in '78, or '79). Broadcast News in Murrow.
Think about it. Glenn is still doing the PA. That is crazy.

Looking back, who do I miss the most?
Bob Rob and Leach. Never thought I would like anyone better than Leach, but Dickert gets the nod, by far. Mike rarely won the big games. Plus, the Air Raid was pretty easy to defend against. If Dickert stays on, then we'll have a fantastic foundation for the future, regardless of losing players in the portal, NIL, etc.

We'll just poach from the FCS, continue to find players that are overlooked in high school, and then dominate in new Pac-12.

Just heard today that Mateer has already received a seven figure offer from another school. We can match or compete with $1.0M plus.
Maybe $300K, but not $1.0M, or more.

The great thing about Dickert is that the players want to be coached by him. They want to stay around, or sign up to play for him.
Dickert has more influence than we give him credit for. Players love him, parents love him, heck, everyone except for the one guy on this board.
Hey-thanks for remembering me! Yes, I have been hanging out here since forever. Lots of characters coming and going over the years.

Are you thinking about the guy that started CougZone? Pat Pearce, AKA GoBigCougs. Others from back then were Smoking Tongue, TrueCoug2, Biggs, CraigBaum, etc. The Red Board rules! :)
 
Let me try to oversimplify this so it's easier to understand:

It's been generally agreed for years that playing FCS teams has pretty limited upside. If you win, nobody cares - you're supposed to. If you lose, the sky is falling. There's minimal satisfaction in beating an FCS team by 40...it's much more fun to beat a P5 team by 3 (for proof, look at one of our worst teams - in 2008 we beat Portland State 48-9, and UW 16-13. Which one of these does anyone really remember from that season?). Playing low-end G5 teams has generally been seen as only slightly better.

This season, our schedule is half (or more) FCS and low-end G5 teams. We're supposed to win these games. Doing it just meets expectations. Maybe it would feel better if we were destroying them every week, but in 3 of our last 6, we've done just barely enough to win...and even the Utah State win that was by a comfortable margin wasn't a very good performance.

People want to temper expectations by pointing out that the team is young or the QB is a sophomore. Fine, do that. But realize that that sophomore QB is probably our best player...which is a problem. And then realize that a young team should get better every week...and we're not. We still can't block, we still can't get pressure on the QB, and we're probably worse at covering receivers than we were in our first 3 games. We apparently had to take our bye week to work on tackling...which is so fundamental that it should never have to be an emphasis in college ball.

People also want to point out that 'we've 2 P4 teams and the #12 team' as if that means something. I'll tell you that I enjoyed the UW and TT wins at the time, but they're not looking that great anymore. UW isn't very good (they need to beat UCLA to get bowl eligible), and Texas Tech benefited from a soft early schedule. They've now lost 3 of 4 and may be looking at 6-6. And, we lost to BSU. Oh, and we used to play 9-10 P4 teams every year.

In spite of all this, people are bringing up this "best season in history" BS. Not by a long shot. We might end up with a pretty good record. 12-1 might look pretty good in the books, especially when all of us and our perspective are gone. But in the moment, and in the reality, it's artificial.

To be the best, you have to beat the best. We're not doing that. We're beating the teams we should beat...probably by less than we should.

This is a FALSE NARRATIVE.

Of the teams played so far, only Portland St, Utah St, meet your NARRATIVE criteria. SJSU THIS SEASON(Not in the past, as in past, they USUALLY SUCKED, but not so THIS SEASON).

UW, Texas Tech, Fresno St, SDSU, SJSU ARE NOT FCS, Bottom, Low end G5 programs, teams, etc.

Fresno St is about 5-4, and have had a extremely tough schedule, injuries, etc, or they would be 8-1, 7-2, 6-3 right now like they USUALLY are in past. And they have almost been practically UNBEATEN at home(17-3), and WSU beat that, them on the road. That was a TOUGH opponent, Not a FCS, Bottom, low level G5 program.

SJSU was 4-0, UNBEATEN at the time WSU beat them(SJSU is about 7-2, 6-3 now). SJSU is, was a TOUGH opponent, is NOT FCS, Bottom, low level G5 program THIS SEASON. THIS SEASON SJSU is a TOUGH, HIGH LEVEL G5 program, team.

SDSU is about HALF the time in past a semi tough, mid to semi high level G5 team, program, in football. This season, they played a TOUGH schedule, had injuries, etc, and despite that they are about 5-4, 4-5, probably go 6-6, bowl game, and like Fresno St, are tough at home, have been tough at home.

UW is 5-4, 4-5, will semi probably be a bowl team in Big 10 this year. And the game in Seattle was pretty much ROAD game, not a neutral site, so WSU pretty much beat UW on the road. At anytime in PAC history, anytime WSU beats UW on the road, and that's a great win, not a FCS esque level, not a low esque G5 esque level.

Texas Tech is about 7-2, 6-3, that's not FCS esque, not Low esque G5 esque level, etc. Texas Tech, was a tough, quality win.

Only PSU, and 2-7 Utah St, were, are the only FCS, low level G5.

That's who played so far.

Upcoming:

OSU: Lost Smith, lost a lot, lot of new faces, despite that, they started out ok. Then they started to do bad, largely because of record number of INJURIES, INJURIES, INJURIES. Now they are starting to heal, recover, etc, and will probably do better. Will probably get to 6 win, be bowl eligible, goto bowl game, will be a tough opponent, not a FCS esque level, not a low esque G5 esque level program, team, but is, will probably be a tough, quality opponent, when WSU plays them.

Wyoming: Is a FCS level, low G5 level team.

Don't remember: Alleged I remember is that they are 1 of the FCS level, low level G5 Bottom Dweller, feeder of MWC.

Only 4 of the 12 games were, are FCS level, low G5 level.

4 of the 12 games are, were mid level teams.

4 of the 12 games are, were high, higher level teams.

The notion that the schedule is, was WEAK, WEAKER, was, is a FCS level, low G5 level schedule is a FALSE NARRATIVE.

The schedule was, is between a mid to semi high, between mid and semi tough, schedule.
 
Let me try to oversimplify this so it's easier to understand:

It's been generally agreed for years that playing FCS teams has pretty limited upside. If you win, nobody cares - you're supposed to. If you lose, the sky is falling. There's minimal satisfaction in beating an FCS team by 40...it's much more fun to beat a P5 team by 3 (for proof, look at one of our worst teams - in 2008 we beat Portland State 48-9, and UW 16-13. Which one of these does anyone really remember from that season?). Playing low-end G5 teams has generally been seen as only slightly better.

This season, our schedule is half (or more) FCS and low-end G5 teams. We're supposed to win these games. Doing it just meets expectations. Maybe it would feel better if we were destroying them every week, but in 3 of our last 6, we've done just barely enough to win...and even the Utah State win that was by a comfortable margin wasn't a very good performance.

People want to temper expectations by pointing out that the team is young or the QB is a sophomore. Fine, do that. But realize that that sophomore QB is probably our best player...which is a problem. And then realize that a young team should get better every week...and we're not. We still can't block, we still can't get pressure on the QB, and we're probably worse at covering receivers than we were in our first 3 games. We apparently had to take our bye week to work on tackling...which is so fundamental that it should never have to be an emphasis in college ball.

People also want to point out that 'we've 2 P4 teams and the #12 team' as if that means something. I'll tell you that I enjoyed the UW and TT wins at the time, but they're not looking that great anymore. UW isn't very good (they need to beat UCLA to get bowl eligible), and Texas Tech benefited from a soft early schedule. They've now lost 3 of 4 and may be looking at 6-6. And, we lost to BSU. Oh, and we used to play 9-10 P4 teams every year.

In spite of all this, people are bringing up this "best season in history" BS. Not by a long shot. We might end up with a pretty good record. 12-1 might look pretty good in the books, especially when all of us and our perspective are gone. But in the moment, and in the reality, it's artificial.

To be the best, you have to beat the best. We're not doing that. We're beating the teams we should beat...probably by less than we should.
Enjoy the season for what it actually IS and not for what you would like or hope it to be. That is my advice.

We've never been the best...we've never beaten the best. Again, hoping for and lamenting things that are completely in defiance of all reality.

And in case y'all are wondering, I've not once ranked this team as compared to our past squads, have never said this is a great or greatest season ever, and have never even excused the lack of performance or "expected" dominance vs these less than impressive foes.

Just enjoying this season for what it ACTUALLY is...right here, right now...because we're not likely to have one like it again.

Another good coaching adage: you do what you can with what you have where you are. Taihtsat
 
Enjoy the season for what it actually IS and not for what you would like or hope it to be. That is my advice.

We've never been the best...we've never beaten the best. Again, hoping for and lamenting things that are completely in defiance of all reality.

And in case y'all are wondering, I've not once ranked this team as compared to our past squads, have never said this is a great or greatest season ever, and have never even excused the lack of performance or "expected" dominance vs these less than impressive foes.

Just enjoying this season for what it ACTUALLY is...right here, right now...because we're not likely to have one like it again.

Another good coaching adage: you do what you can with what you have where you are. Taihtsat
For what it is... a pretty average team putting in just-good-enough performances to put up a decent record against a well below average schedule.

Forgive me for having a higher standard. I've never supported the idea of weakening our schedule to strengthen our record. Now that we've done it, I still don't like it.

One of the last few games, I don't get the channel and couldn't watch. I listened on the radio, and didn't really feel like I was missing anything. I had the Utah State game, but spent a lot of it reading a book. It's not exciting, it's often not even that interesting.
 
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For what it is... a pretty average team putting in just-good-enough performances to put up a decent record against a well below average schedule.

Forgive me for having a higher standard. I've never supported the idea of weakening our schedule to strengthen our record. Now that we've done it, I still don't like it.

One of the last few games, I don't get the channel and couldn't watch. I listened on the radio, and didn't really feel like I was missing anything. I had the Utah State game, but spent a lot of it reading a book. It's not exciting, it's often not even that interesting.
I'm sorry for your loss. Taihtsat
 
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Hey-thanks for remembering me! Yes, I have been hanging out here since forever. Lots of characters coming and going over the years.

Are you thinking about the guy that started CougZone? Pat Pearce, AKA GoBigCougs. Others from back then were Smoking Tongue, TrueCoug2, Biggs, CraigBaum, etc. The Red Board rules! :)
Pat Pierce and Smoking Tongue. Good memories. It's been about a year since our chat. I was thinking about giving you a call sometime. We'll have to catch up!
 
For what it is... a pretty average team putting in just-good-enough performances to put up a decent record against a well below average schedule.

Forgive me for having a higher standard. I've never supported the idea of weakening our schedule to strengthen our record. Now that we've done it, I still don't like it.

One of the last few games, I don't get the channel and couldn't watch. I listened on the radio, and didn't really feel like I was missing anything. I had the Utah State game, but spent a lot of it reading a book. It's not exciting, it's often not even that interesting.

Repent! This is blasphemy!
 
Let me try to oversimplify this so it's easier to understand:

It's been generally agreed for years that playing FCS teams has pretty limited upside. If you win, nobody cares - you're supposed to. If you lose, the sky is falling. There's minimal satisfaction in beating an FCS team by 40...it's much more fun to beat a P5 team by 3 (for proof, look at one of our worst teams - in 2008 we beat Portland State 48-9, and UW 16-13. Which one of these does anyone really remember from that season?). Playing low-end G5 teams has generally been seen as only slightly better.

This season, our schedule is half (or more) FCS and low-end G5 teams. We're supposed to win these games. Doing it just meets expectations. Maybe it would feel better if we were destroying them every week, but in 3 of our last 6, we've done just barely enough to win...and even the Utah State win that was by a comfortable margin wasn't a very good performance.

People want to temper expectations by pointing out that the team is young or the QB is a sophomore. Fine, do that. But realize that that sophomore QB is probably our best player...which is a problem. And then realize that a young team should get better every week...and we're not. We still can't block, we still can't get pressure on the QB, and we're probably worse at covering receivers than we were in our first 3 games. We apparently had to take our bye week to work on tackling...which is so fundamental that it should never have to be an emphasis in college ball.

People also want to point out that 'we've 2 P4 teams and the #12 team' as if that means something. I'll tell you that I enjoyed the UW and TT wins at the time, but they're not looking that great anymore. UW isn't very good (they need to beat UCLA to get bowl eligible), and Texas Tech benefited from a soft early schedule. They've now lost 3 of 4 and may be looking at 6-6. And, we lost to BSU. Oh, and we used to play 9-10 P4 teams every year.

In spite of all this, people are bringing up this "best season in history" BS. Not by a long shot. We might end up with a pretty good record. 12-1 might look pretty good in the books, especially when all of us and our perspective are gone. But in the moment, and in the reality, it's artificial.

To be the best, you have to beat the best. We're not doing that. We're beating the teams we should beat...probably by less than we should.

If your coaching staff struggles to teach blocking and tackling, the cornerstone fundamentals of football, you probably have the wrong coaching staff.
 
And let's not forget that those teams won when the Pac-12 remained an elite football conference. Leach/Rolo/Dickert's winning was during an era when the conference was in major decline, a decline so bad that serious media money was no longer on the table leading to its collapse. The 2002 team had 3 NFL calibre corners, Paymah was a back up. Have we had three NFL calibre corners since?
I disagree that the Pac-12 was in decline during Leach's tenure. Doba and Wulff had the misfortune of lining up and USC during Pete Carrol's tenure. But outside of those 8 years or so, USC has been mediocre. Leach got to line up against Oregon and Stanford at their peaks and ended up whooping their asses.
 
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What do you "high expectations" guys think is happening in college football right now? Do you even pay attention? College football has become like college basketball. Who the hell knows who will be on the roster in 2025, after the roster gets poached and the staff has to fill in with FCS standouts and Power 4 cast offs. You'll be disappointed next year too even if we go 12-0 in the regular season.
 
If your coaching staff struggles to teach blocking and tackling, the cornerstone fundamentals of football, you probably have the wrong coaching staff.
I hear you, but... our "students of football" aren't in the same honors classes for listening/learning/able vs. what we used to get.

Vagina twins would be 1st team all conference right now
 
I hear you, but... our "students of football" aren't in the same honors classes for listening/learning/able vs. what we used to get.

Vagina twins would be 1st team all conference right now

For $2.7m paid to the HC and 85 kids on full scholarship because they were excellent high school players… you are saying it is ok if they can’t block or tackle very well.

Can you lower the bar any further???
 
I disagree that the Pac-12 was in decline during Leach's tenure. Doba and Wulff had the misfortune of lining up and USC during Pete Carrol's tenure. But outside of those 8 years or so, USC has been mediocre. Leach got to line up against Oregon and Stanford at their peaks and ended up whooping their asses.
UW too. How many NFL DB's did Leach's teams have to face in the Apple Cup?
 
For $2.7m paid to the HC and 85 kids on full scholarship because they were excellent high school players… you are saying it is ok if they can’t block or tackle very well.

Can you lower the bar any further???
Oh I could definitely lower the bar further.

But please...

Don't tell me that we are getting the same level of high school Recruits we did back with Price-Leach. No way dude.

We are not getting the same... therefore it can/will take longer to become awesome (in comparison to our greats). Probably impossible in most cases
 
Oh I could definitely lower the bar further.

But please...

Don't tell me that we are getting the same level of high school Recruits we did back with Price-Leach. No way dude.

We are not getting the same... therefore it can/will take longer to become awesome (in comparison to our greats). Probably impossible in most cases

Im not arguing that the kids arent the same level. Yes, Im aware NIL plays a role. However, these are still accomplished players. They are not d3 or d2 kids. They turned down other schools offering a full scholarship too. Do not for a second act like they are scrubs that cannot be taught to block and tackle.

If you think that the kids WSU is getting take longer to teach how to tackle than other kids, why isnt blocking and tackling a problem at Boise? Or Montana or Montana State or Eastern Wa or Linfield or Southern Oregon???

Ever watch a 8 man game in WA? How is it kids from a reservation can block and tackle but WSU can’t?

Stop making excuses for Dickfore.
 
Im not arguing that the kids arent the same level. Yes, Im aware NIL plays a role. However, these are still accomplished players. They are not d3 or d2 kids. They turned down other schools offering a full scholarship too. Do not for a second act like they are scrubs that cannot be taught to block and tackle.

If you think that the kids WSU is getting take longer to teach how to tackle than other kids, why isnt blocking and tackling a problem at Boise? Or Montana or Montana State or Eastern Wa or Linfield or Southern Oregon???

Ever watch a 8 man game in WA? How is it kids from a reservation can block and tackle but WSU can’t?

Stop making excuses for Dickfore.
We're somehow managing to beat this MWC schedule to death. That hasn't always been the case at WSU.

With that said, even if you're right, how and world could we possibly justify getting rid of Dickert now?
 
We're somehow managing to beat this MWC schedule thread to death as we always do. That hasn't is always been the case at WSU Wazzu Watch.

With that said, even if you're right, which you never have been, how and world could we possibly justify getting rid of Dickert now? Which doesn't matter, as he will be snagged by a P4 team after we go 12-1.
Fixed your post. :) Hope you like my edits. Now go out and buy a Subaru.......
 
Hey-thanks for remembering me! Yes, I have been hanging out here since forever. Lots of characters coming and going over the years.

Are you thinking about the guy that started CougZone? Pat Pearce, AKA GoBigCougs. Others from back then were Smoking Tongue, TrueCoug2, Biggs, CraigBaum, etc. The Red Board rules! :)
Why do you omit the Mighty Loyal One? Do you hate me? :( I have been here since the beginning (aside from when I was banned), met Pat once at a pregame. Great guy. Wish he would reappear.
 
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Pat Pierce and Smoking Tongue. Good memories. It's been about a year since our chat. I was thinking about giving you a call sometime. We'll have to catch up!
Sure, any time. Shoot me an alert text first so I know to pick up the unknown number.
 
Why do you omit the Mighty Loyal One? Do you hate me? :( I have been here since the beginning (aside from when I was banned), met Pat once at a pregame. Great guy. Wish he would reappear.
If we’re doing participation awards, I don’t date back to the true beginning, but I wandered in about 2000. GBC was still around and running the day to day, the site hadn’t been picked up by the corporate overlords yet. Not too many of us left from those days, and I’ve never met anyone IRL. I’d hate to have to alter the mental image I’d formed of anyone.
 
Im not arguing that the kids arent the same level. Yes, Im aware NIL plays a role. However, these are still accomplished players. They are not d3 or d2 kids. They turned down other schools offering a full scholarship too. Do not for a second act like they are scrubs that cannot be taught to block and tackle.

If you think that the kids WSU is getting take longer to teach how to tackle than other kids, why isnt blocking and tackling a problem at Boise? Or Montana or Montana State or Eastern Wa or Linfield or Southern Oregon???

Ever watch a 8 man game in WA? How is it kids from a reservation can block and tackle but WSU can’t?

Stop making excuses for Dickfore.
For the most part I agree, however….

Where tackling is concerned, the problem has gone beyond epidemic and reached pandemic levels. Kids want to make highlight reels on every play, and they just hit instead of making tackles. It’s been an issue for a long time, and has been worse at higher levels and with more talented players….and with DBs.

The kids who are not as talented and who are just barely hanging onto a roster spot are the ones who are more disciplined about squaring to the ball carrier and wrapping up. By the time they crack the 2-deep, they seem to think that arm tackles and shoulder charges are good enough. Playing like that does make good highlights…problem is that it’s 50/50 that the highlight will be for the RB or WR, when you either miss or they bounce off and go for a long gain.

It’s everywhere, and at all levels. It’s pretty rare anymore to see a team that has good fundamental, wrap-up tackling across the roster.
 
Im not arguing that the kids arent the same level. Yes, Im aware NIL plays a role. However, these are still accomplished players. They are not d3 or d2 kids. They turned down other schools offering a full scholarship too. Do not for a second act like they are scrubs that cannot be taught to block and tackle.

If you think that the kids WSU is getting take longer to teach how to tackle than other kids, why isnt blocking and tackling a problem at Boise? Or Montana or Montana State or Eastern Wa or Linfield or Southern Oregon???

Ever watch a 8 man game in WA? How is it kids from a reservation can block and tackle but WSU can’t?

Stop making excuses for Dickfore.
You don’t need excuses when your team is 8-1. You need excuses when you are a middle aged never has been who’s bitter at the success of others. What’s your excuse?
 
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