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Contact who works in athletic dept at UW says Eason didn’t know the play book. Multiple times they signalled in a play and he gave a blank stare. They had to call timeout to talk to him. Also likes the weed apparently. I wouldn’t touch him until maybe 5th round.
 
Not trying to sound self righteous, but after everything that happened with Tyler Hilinski, bagging on kids in this manner should be beneath us. Picking at his skills on the field is one thing, but calling him Forest Gump and bringing up him smoking pot? Good Lord.
 
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CougPatrol said:
Not trying to sound self righteous, but after everything that happened with Tyler Hilinski, bagging on kids in this manner should be beneath us. Picking at his skills on the field is one thing, but calling him Forest Gump and bringing up him smoking pot? Good Lord.
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What does Tyler have to do with this?
 
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Coug90 said:
I think they were both to blame. The bowl game was a pretty clear example of one of the issues with coaching. The defensive scheme was bad. The inability to adjust or go to a plan B was middle school bad.
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Joe Torre was a mediocre manager before he was hired to manage an all star team called the Yankees. Now, he is thought of as a genius. The different was talent.

The defensive talent was so bad this year, that it would not matter who was the coach. Tracy Claeys warned us during spring practice and again in the fall. We just didn't quite understand at the time. But, looking back, it was quite clear that he was ringing the warning bell.

You can make all the adjustments you want or try different schemes, but if you do not have the horses, you are just a carriage that is not going anywhere.
 
Forrest Gump is one of the most overrated movies. It won the best picture Oscar over Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction. Both are all time greats that every time they are on TV, I tend to watch a little of the movie. I haven't watched Gump since the first time.
 
Coug1990 said:
Joe Torre was a mediocre manager before he was hired to manage an all star team called the Yankees. Now, he is thought of as a genius. The different was talent.

The defensive talent was so bad this year, that it would not matter who was the coach. Tracy Claeys warned us during spring practice and again in the fall. We just didn't quite understand at the time. But, looking back, it was quite clear that he was ringing the warning bell.

You can make all the adjustments you want or try different schemes, but if you do not have the horses, you are just a carriage that is not going anywhere.
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The talent was a concern this year, but the defense spent the first half of the year confused. When guys are consistently not in the right spot I blame coaching. This improved down the stretch which unfortunately exposed the lack of talent. But at least guys stopped running wide open for 60+ yd yds.
 
etowncoug said:
The talent was a concern this year, but the defense spent the first half of the year confused. When guys are consistently not in the right spot I blame coaching. This improved down the stretch which unfortunately exposed the lack of talent. But at least guys stopped running wide open for 60+ yd yds.
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It is amazing that when you have better players, they are in the right place. I think the biggest problem was in evaluation and retention. But, it is our opinions and even mine isn't worth much in the grand scheme of things.
 
Coug1990 said:
Forrest Gump is one of the most overrated movies. It won the best picture Oscar over Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction. Both are all time greats that every time they are on TV, I tend to watch a little of the movie. I haven't watched Gump since the first time.
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Gump was an immediate “feel-good” instant gratification move; Shawshank was a movie that needed to be digested and let simmer in the mind for a while to realize and understand the brilliance of the story and acting that took place. Not many folks would guess that came from the mind of Stephen King.
 
Coug1990 said:
Forrest Gump is one of the most overrated movies. It won the best picture Oscar over Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction. Both are all time greats that every time they are on TV, I tend to watch a little of the movie. I haven't watched Gump since the first time.
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Those are all great movies. It’s like the Stones , Beatles and The Who all coming out in the same year.
 
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Coug1990 said:
It is amazing that when you have better players, they are in the right place. I think the biggest problem was in evaluation and retention. But, it is our opinions and even mine isn't worth much in the grand scheme of things.
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Skyler Thomas having no clue where to be when he was playing Nickle had nothing to do with talent.
 
etowncoug said:
Skyler Thomas having no clue where to be when he was playing Nickle had nothing to do with talent.
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Sure it does. There is an old saying, "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink." Knowing your assignments is part talent. I can guarantee you that the coaches have told him where he is supposed to be and what he is supposed to do. That it happed again and again is not coaching, it is the player.

Again, Tracy Claeys warned us because he was concerned that they just were not getting it.
 
Coug1990 said:
Joe Torre was a mediocre manager before he was hired to manage an all star team called the Yankees. Now, he is thought of as a genius. The different was talent.

The defensive talent was so bad this year, that it would not matter who was the coach. Tracy Claeys warned us during spring practice and again in the fall. We just didn't quite understand at the time. But, looking back, it was quite clear that he was ringing the warning bell.

You can make all the adjustments you want or try different schemes, but if you do not have the horses, you are just a carriage that is not going anywhere.
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No disagreement we were talent deficient in all 3 areas. Looking at all the guys who took a step back though and should have been impact players you gotta lay some of that on coaching. Willie and Nambdi disappeared. Strong wasn’t as good. Jahad was inconsistent. McDougal went from FR all
AMERICAN at WV to pretty quiet until the bowl game. Defense is a team thing and Pelluer was a big loss but I thought the coaching was putrid. Talent wise this wasn’t a good defense but with decent coaching they could have yielded a TD less a game.
 
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Coug90 said:
No disagreement we were talent deficient in all 3 areas. Looking at all the guys who took a step back though and should have been impact players you gotta lay some of that on coaching. Willie and Nambdi disappeared. Strong wasn’t as good. Jahad was inconsistent. McDougal went from FR all
AMERICAN at WV to pretty quiet until the bowl game. Defense is a team thing and Pelluer was a big loss but I thought the coaching was putrid. Talent wise this wasn’t a good defense but with decent coaching they could have yielded a TD less a game.
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How do you explain that the defensive line was not good this year as well. Did Phelps forget how to coach? Personally, I do not think he coached any different. The players changed.
 
chugspig said:
And yet a braindead pothead torched us like he was strolling through the park. Nice work by our staff.
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Didn't Doba's dope heads torch the UW in the AC?

Good thing the UW hired a Paul Wulff disciple to clean up their "drug riddled mess"
 
Coug1990 said:
Forrest Gump is one of the most overrated movies. It won the best picture Oscar over Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction. Both are all time greats that every time they are on TV, I tend to watch a little of the movie. I haven't watched Gump since the first time.
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I agree with this. Never understood the hoopla
 
Coug1990 said:
How do you explain that the defensive line was not good this year as well. Did Phelps forget how to coach? Personally, I do not think he coached any different. The players changed.
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I would argue they added talent to the DLine. They didn’t have LM last year or a player like him. Taylor and Nambdi are both on the line...ends, and should have improved. At worst it was a push.
I’ll say again, they need better talent, but I’m not sure how you argue the coaching was anything but crap on defense. I also think it was one of Leach’s worst coaching jobs since he came to WSU.
 
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Coug90 said:
I would argue they added talent to the DLine. They didn’t have LM last year or a player like him. Taylor and Nambdi are both on the line...ends, and should have improved. At worst it was a push.
I’ll say again, they need better talent, but I’m not sure how you argue the coaching was anything but crap on defense. I also think it was one of Leach’s worst coaching jobs since he came to WSU.
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I can argue it because it is my opinion. I have talked to enough coaches and enough players to know what most people believe is going on is wrong. During the Mike Price era, the team was very bad for two years and then would have a great year. Were they bad coaches during the down years and then all of a sudden great during the winning year?

I watched Tedrick Thompson of the Seahawks get beat deep time and again when the coaches instruct the safety's never, ever, get beat deep. It's drilled into them in camp day after day. It's the biggest, most important aspect of a Pete Carroll defense. Yet, it happened every game. That wasn't about coaching, it was the player.

I don't think this year was about coaching. It was about replacing too many defensive players with players that were not good enough, nor ready. Bill Belichick would not have been able to do much with this defense, in my opinion.
 
Coug1990 said:
I can argue it because it is my opinion. I have talked to enough coaches and enough players to know what most people believe is going on is wrong. During the Mike Price era, the team was very bad for two years and then would have a great year. Were they bad coaches during the down years and then all of a sudden great during the winning year?

I watched Tedrick Thompson of the Seahawks get beat deep time and again when the coaches instruct the safety's never, ever, get beat deep. It's drilled into them in camp day after day. It's the biggest, most important aspect of a Pete Carroll defense. Yet, it happened every game. That wasn't about coaching, it was the player.

I don't think this year was about coaching. It was about replacing too many defensive players with players that were not good enough, nor ready. Bill Belichick would not have been able to do much with this defense, in my opinion.
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When you overcomplicate things, guys tend to forget the basics. I have no doubt Claeys drew up some clever schemes which could compensate for our lack of talent. But the scheme overwhelmed them and players were spending too long trying to diagnose what they were supposed to be doing rather than just playing ball. The result was explosive plays.

Claeys said himself before the season he wasn't sure what we could do consistently. He didn't figure it out in 5 weeks. Roc and Darcel simplified things and by Colorado (second week) we had mostly eliminated the boneheaded mistakes. We still weren't going to be good, but at least everyone was in the right spot.
 
Coug1990 said:
I can argue it because it is my opinion. I have talked to enough coaches and enough players to know what most people believe is going on is wrong. During the Mike Price era, the team was very bad for two years and then would have a great year. Were they bad coaches during the down years and then all of a sudden great during the winning year?

I watched Tedrick Thompson of the Seahawks get beat deep time and again when the coaches instruct the safety's never, ever, get beat deep. It's drilled into them in camp day after day. It's the biggest, most important aspect of a Pete Carroll defense. Yet, it happened every game. That wasn't about coaching, it was the player.

I don't think this year was about coaching. It was about replacing too many defensive players with players that were not good enough, nor ready. Bill Belichick would not have been able to do much with this defense, in my opinion.
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I'm going to say that there were some coaching issues that led to some of our problems. Tracy Claeys leaving on his own in mid-season with a cryptic comment about not seeing eye to eye with others on the staff tells me that for whatever reason, we didn't have a staff with everyone pulling in the same direction. That can screw up a team real fast.

I do agree that a lot of our issues come down to the players themselves and your point about struggling during the Price era but then being great with the same players as upperclassmen is very on point. When Price was coach, we'd finish 3-8 or 4-7 but we'd head into the next season thinking that we'd win 8+ games. Expecting a four win improvement after a bad season was just one of those expected things and in 1992, 1994, 1997 and 2001......we actually did it. Of course, Price also proved that he couldn't build quality depth and our success was erratic so we often sucked the next year. Still, it was easy to look at a Mike Price team and assume that they were going to get better.

Under Leach, our fans seem to take a more fatalistic approach and seem to be looking for the next losing season. I look at 2019 and I see a team that left 3-4 wins on the table and where one or two guys will help us make that happen. I see a deep wide receiving corps, an incredible talent at running back and promising young quarterbacks. I see a defense that struggled at times but that can get better pretty quickly with the right leadership at DC. We may never win another Apple Cup with Leach as coach, but everything suggests that we should be fine next year. I think 2021 is where we make some real noise, but I will not be surprised if we finish 8-4 or 9-3 this upcoming season.
 
Flatlandcoug said:
I'm going to say that there were some coaching issues that led to some of our problems. Tracy Claeys leaving on his own in mid-season with a cryptic comment about not seeing eye to eye with others on the staff tells me that for whatever reason, we didn't have a staff with everyone pulling in the same direction. That can screw up a team real fast.

I do agree that a lot of our issues come down to the players themselves and your point about struggling during the Price era but then being great with the same players as upperclassmen is very on point. When Price was coach, we'd finish 3-8 or 4-7 but we'd head into the next season thinking that we'd win 8+ games. Expecting a four win improvement after a bad season was just one of those expected things and in 1992, 1994, 1997 and 2001......we actually did it. Of course, Price also proved that he couldn't build quality depth and our success was erratic so we often sucked the next year. Still, it was easy to look at a Mike Price team and assume that they were going to get better.

Under Leach, our fans seem to take a more fatalistic approach and seem to be looking for the next losing season. I look at 2019 and I see a team that left 3-4 wins on the table and where one or two guys will help us make that happen. I see a deep wide receiving corps, an incredible talent at running back and promising young quarterbacks. I see a defense that struggled at times but that can get better pretty quickly with the right leadership at DC. We may never win another Apple Cup with Leach as coach, but everything suggests that we should be fine next year. I think 2021 is where we make some real noise, but I will not be surprised if we finish 8-4 or 9-3 this upcoming season.
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Price also fantastically crapped the bed in some of his biggest moments with some of his better teams. The 2001 Apple Cup disaster...HB pass from the 10 yard line? There was nothing wrong with the talent on that team, we were 3 TDs better than UW that year, and that game in particular that took us from likely Fiesta Bowl to Sun Bowl was squarely on the coaching.
 
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Price also fantastically crapped the bed in some of his biggest moments with some of his better teams. The 2001 Apple Cup disaster...HB pass from the 10 yard line? There was nothing wrong with the talent on that team, we were 3 TDs better than UW that year, and that game in particular that took us from likely Fiesta Bowl to Sun Bowl was squarely on the coaching.
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A lot of our struggles over the years were because of decisions made by Mike Price. He was the perfect coach for WSU at the time and did a lot of good things......but he, like every coach, had his WTF moments. Leach is not immune either.
 
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Coug1990 said:
Forrest Gump is one of the most overrated movies. It won the best picture Oscar over Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction. Both are all time greats that every time they are on TV, I tend to watch a little of the movie. I haven't watched Gump since the first time.
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Silly rabbit. Did you think the Oscars are about the best movie?

Stuffy art house movies and blockbusters consistently beat the ones that are actually good. Look at the late 90s: Forrest beats Shawshank. The English Patient over Fargo. Titanic (the REAL most overrated movie of all time) over Good Will Hunting. Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan. And the idiocy continued into the 2000s. Gladiator? Really? Lord of the Rings? (I left out Braveheart in 1996, not because I think it deserved the win, but because none of the other nominees deserved it either.
 
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I'm going to say that there were some coaching issues that led to some of our problems. Tracy Claeys leaving on his own in mid-season with a cryptic comment about not seeing eye to eye with others on the staff tells me that for whatever reason, we didn't have a staff with everyone pulling in the same direction. That can screw up a team real fast.

I do agree that a lot of our issues come down to the players themselves and your point about struggling during the Price era but then being great with the same players as upperclassmen is very on point. When Price was coach, we'd finish 3-8 or 4-7 but we'd head into the next season thinking that we'd win 8+ games. Expecting a four win improvement after a bad season was just one of those expected things and in 1992, 1994, 1997 and 2001......we actually did it. Of course, Price also proved that he couldn't build quality depth and our success was erratic so we often sucked the next year. Still, it was easy to look at a Mike Price team and assume that they were going to get better.

Under Leach, our fans seem to take a more fatalistic approach and seem to be looking for the next losing season. I look at 2019 and I see a team that left 3-4 wins on the table and where one or two guys will help us make that happen. I see a deep wide receiving corps, an incredible talent at running back and promising young quarterbacks. I see a defense that struggled at times but that can get better pretty quickly with the right leadership at DC. We may never win another Apple Cup with Leach as coach, but everything suggests that we should be fine next year. I think 2021 is where we make some real noise, but I will not be surprised if we finish 8-4 or 9-3 this upcoming season.
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Is that the same Mike Price that had us as the both the coaches and media pick to win the conference in 2002, and pulled it off despite injuries everywhere, because of our depth? It certainly wasn't because he was a wizard between the white lines. I'm confused.

The difference between Price and Leach is that Leach is the much better technical coach, while Price was the better recruited. Recruiting can fail you, and it did with Price, but coaching is a constant. Hence, Leach wins with more consistency. With Price you were optimistic because of the talent he brought in, but we tended to ignore that he wasn't a particularly great coach and needed a lot of talent to win. With Leach we are more pessimistic because of it is hard to look past the lack of talent on the roster -- forgetting that this man got us to a bowl with Wulff's Big Sky recruits.

However, the problem with being a great coach, like Leach, with lower rung recruiting you can only go so far. Hence, he is 0 for his career in hump games. When Price got it just right, he had the talent to beat the big boys, and it was Rose Bowl time. The important thing is that you play the game to win championships, not to secure 6 wins,and a bowl. You settle for that.
 
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Over the last, say, 20 years, the most popular and highly grossing films have not won Best Picture. The academy goes with statement films, artsy over entertaining. It's their middle finger to the 'unsophisticated masses." Another example was "Passion of the Christ" not even nominated for Best Foreign language film or Best Picture. But it won People's Choice award. But the Academy couldn't wait to award "Last Temptation of Christ" which was fiction.
 
Coug1990 said:
I can argue it because it is my opinion. I have talked to enough coaches and enough players to know what most people believe is going on is wrong. During the Mike Price era, the team was very bad for two years and then would have a great year. Were they bad coaches during the down years and then all of a sudden great during the winning year?

I watched Tedrick Thompson of the Seahawks get beat deep time and again when the coaches instruct the safety's never, ever, get beat deep. It's drilled into them in camp day after day. It's the biggest, most important aspect of a Pete Carroll defense. Yet, it happened every game. That wasn't about coaching, it was the player.

I don't think this year was about coaching. It was about replacing too many defensive players with players that were not good enough, nor ready. Bill Belichick would not have been able to do much with this defense, in my opinion.
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The problem is unlike the NFL the coaches and head coach at the college level are the one's picking up the groceries at the grocery store, not just cooking the meal.
 
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