Jonathan Smith is not OSU’s Paul Wulff..

[Loyal Coug]

So not to stir the pot... and this isn't coming from a pro-Wulff position, but when measuring all of the other "worst coaches" in the history of college football...

How many other coaches were fired after showing the team actually getting better? (record wise and roster wise)

Aren't coaches getting fired when they look worse or with no improvement?

PW not only was a poor coach and leader, but he was a finger pointer. My disdain for him does not lie with his wins and loss record, it is with his unwillingness to accept responsibility, EVER, all the way to the end. At times, he would mention that coaches needed to do better, but his excuses for poor performance most often were external...training tables, bare-cupboards and the like. His attitude wasn't Coug-like during his coaching tenure. I think Cougars own-up to their mistakes and are able to address their weaknesses by seeking out folks that complement themselves. PW was the antithesis of this.

Can't believe I am chiming in on this never-ending train wreck of a thread.

That said, one (not me) could indeed argue that MoosyMoos pulled the trigger a year too soon. 5 years is kind of the standard for a "rebuild". $5 says if he could have put CML on ice for a year and come back to him CPW might have gotten that 5th year.

And as far as the finger-pointing goes, Sterk, who I happen to like more than many around here, has to share the blame too. I need to find the article where he trotted out the statistics on Doba's players D-1 offers (or lack of) as proof that the cupboard was bare. This is not to take away from CPW's blame.

 

[Cougsocal]

Fair enough. The reason that he should be in the conversation for top 10 worst Pac-12 coaches are all the reasons you listed above and it's why he needed to be fired in 2011. I will say that I don't blame him for not being apologetic in 2011. Anyone who's a real competitor doesn't just lie down and give up.....they go down swinging and that's all he was doing. He didn't owe fans an apology just like we didn't owe him a job in 2012. If he's in your top spot because it's personal to you.....that's quite all right. Everything we look at it in life is tainted by our personal biases and we are all correct in our own viewpoints based on our world view. That doesn't mean that everyone else agrees with you (or me). Below is the article that listed the 10 worst coaching tenures of all time.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/09/05/the-10-worst-college-football-coaching-tenures-of-all-time/

As much as we hated how bad our team was under Wulff, it's only the "worst ever" because it was personal for us. Wulff was a flawed man and I hope that he's done some soul searching in the past 7 years on how he could be a better person, but I'm guessing that he hasn't. I'm sure that he thinks that if he'd have been given another year, he would have gotten to 7 wins like Sweeney did in his fifth year. Unfortunately, that doesn't acknowledge that Sweeney got run out of town a few years later when it turned out that he was a one hit wonder. So, I get the disgust and unhappiness with Wulff. None of us want to see him back at WSU, you can rest assured of that.

Sure it is personal, but our resultant first hand knowledge is why lists that don't include him are just flat wrong.

Americans generally don't apologize, and they are loathed to accept responsibility, Japanese, British we are not. Wulff is exhibit A. But there is an big exception to that -- it is the realm of "team sport." In team sport you are taught to take full responsibility, and to apologize when you screw up, even when you might have some reservations. It is what defines being a good teammate. You just don't point fingers. The blame game is a cancer. It also give us more insight into why Wulff is IMHO the worst coach in conference history -- as a coach he was also a truely rotten teammate.

Technically, you are right, Flat, Wulff didn't owe anyone an apology, but he should have -- but remained defiantly bad to the bitter end.

 

[FnuLnu]

What time is it?? It's nine-foty time"!!!

The 940 area code is the home of Denton, Texas & the University of North Texas whose university president for much of the Wulff era was none other than V. Lane Rawlins - who at WSU hired Jim Sterk and together they later kicked Mike Price to the curb.

Crimson helicopters?

 

[CougEd]

He may not have the "worst tenure" of any Pac12 coach in history, only salvaged by his passably "not terrible" 4 win season in '11, but he certainly coached 2 of the worst teams I've ever seen.

You've given examples of other coaches that took moderately good situations and turned them sour, but I have a hard time believing there has ever been back to back teams as bad as the '08, '09 Cougs.

Not sure why it matters if he was the worse, the second worse , third worse . Or the absolute worse in football history and should be flogged. Does it matter ?

 

[Fab5Coug]

Can't believe I am chiming in on this never-ending train wreck of a thread.

That said, one (not me) could indeed argue that MoosyMoos pulled the trigger a year too soon. 5 years is kind of the standard for a "rebuild". $5 says if he could have put CML on ice for a year and come back to him CPW might have gotten that 5th year.

And as far as the finger-pointing goes, Sterk, who I happen to like more than many around here, has to share the blame too. I need to find the article where he trotted out the statistics on Doba's players D-1 offers (or lack of) as proof that the cupboard was bare. This is not to take away from CPW's blame.

I'm telling you, those '11 & '12 recruiting classes were going to lead to some UGLY seasons. Not '08, '09 bad, but bad. Once Deone, Marquess, Cooper & Connor were gone, the program was going straight back to 2 win seasons.

We were fortunate Moos knew enough about football to see how bad recruiting was going and to pull the plug when he did.

 

[CougEd]

Sure it is personal, but our resultant first hand knowledge is why lists that don't include him are just flat wrong.

Americans generally don't apologize, and they are loathed to accept responsibility, Japanese, British we are not. Wulff is exhibit A. But there is an big exception to that -- it is the realm of "team sport." In team sport you are taught to take full responsibility, and to apologize when you screw up, even when you might have some reservations. It is what defines being a good teammate. You just don't point fingers. The blame game is a cancer. It also give us more insight into why Wulff is IMHO the worst coach in conference history -- as a coach he was also a truely rotten teammate.

Technically, you are right, Flat, Wulff didn't owe anyone an apology, but he should have -- but remained defiantly bad to the bitter end.

Are you saying when Leach lost in 2012-2014 it was simply he needed to coach better? Are you saying he never said it wasn’t because the cupboard was bare? IE lack of talent ?

He didn’t say it was the wrong fit and they were talented did he? He said they had x amount of D1 players on his team .

Not sure how that is all that different .

 

[FnuLnu]

Sure it is personal, but our resultant first hand knowledge is why lists that don't include him are just flat wrong.

Americans generally don't apologize, and they are loathed to accept responsibility, Japanese, British we are not. Wulff is exhibit A. But there is an big exception to that -- it is the realm of "team sport." In team sport you are taught to take full responsibility, and to apologize when you screw up, even when you might have some reservations. It is what defines being a good teammate. You just don't point fingers. The blame game is a cancer. It also give us more insight into why Wulff is IMHO the worst coach in conference history -- as a coach he was also a truely rotten teammate.

Technically, you are right, Flat, Wulff didn't owe anyone an apology, but he should have -- but remained defiantly bad to the bitter end.

The Dunning-Kruger effect describes Paul Wulff's behavior as WSU head coach.

The WSU medical school wasn't in place to study him, nor Dr. Laurence Peter.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Not sure why it matters if he was the worse, the second worse , third worse . Or the absolute worse in football history and should be flogged. Does it matter ?

Not really. But, why are you chiming in again to tell people their opinions don't matter? You've shared yours, many times. I'm sharing mine.

 

[froropmkr72]

Are you saying when Leach lost in 2012-2014 it was simply he needed to coach better? Are you saying he never said it wasn’t because the cupboard was bare? IE lack of talent ?

He didn’t say it was the wrong fit and they were talented did he? He said they had x amount of D1 players on his team .

Not sure how that is all that different .

I remember Jim walden saying something about that in regards to the team that PW inherited. When Leach took over....he was the one who refused to talk too much about talent. His only comment is that the players from next recruiting class were seeing more time on the field and that was it.

 

[CougEd]

And If we had Jeff Tuel in 2011, we'd have gone to a bowl! The problem is the Cougs blew out very bad Idaho State and Unlv teams. Also what success Wulff had in 2011 resulted from sheer fortuity that Tuel went down early, and he as forced to rely on the Lobster, a kid he had already "written off" as not Pac-12 caliber Lobster went on to play in 2011 far better than Tuel ever had or ever would. Which tel's you a little more about Wulff's coaching abilities or lack thereof

Too funny . Lobster played well just like Ryan Fitzpatrick played well. Lobster would have been really successful in Stanford’s offense. Take a peak at the game we lost to against UCLA that year. Tuel would have roasted them . Lobster couldn’t run . We ran a read option and the DE would crash down so hard he was in the guard center gap. Tuel would still be running if he was healthy to play that game .

What was the score of the San Diego state game when Lobster made two critical turnovers .

Lobster was steady. Tuels legs brought a higher ceiling . Playing in NFL kind of shows that .

 

[CougEd]

Not really. But, why are you chiming in again to tell people their opinions don't matter? You've shared yours, many times. I'm sharing mine.

Too funny. I chimed in to tell you that your opinion doesn’t matter ? I chimed in offering MY opinion as not sure why it really matters in light the problem was corrected . Your opinion is always welcomed , read, comprehended and appreciated by me .

Not really. But, why are you chiming in again to tell people their opinions don't matter? You've shared yours, many times. I'm sharing mine.[/QUO

 

[Cougsocal]

Are you saying when Leach lost in 2012-2014 it was simply he needed to coach better? Are you saying he never said it wasn’t because the cupboard was bare? IE lack of talent ?

He didn’t say it was the wrong fit and they were talented did he? He said they had x amount of D1 players on his team .

Not sure how that is all that different .

Can't respond to vague references. Are you saying that Leach disparaged the talent he inherited. My recollection was that he showed remarkable restraint dealing with the fact he inherited the worst collect of players in the conference by far. He did say that he inherited only 3 scholarship OLs at one point, which patently false.

 

[FnuLnu]

Can't believe I am chiming in on this never-ending train wreck of a thread.

That said, one (not me) could indeed argue that MoosyMoos pulled the trigger a year too soon. 5 years is kind of the standard for a "rebuild". $5 says if he could have put CML on ice for a year and come back to him CPW might have gotten that 5th year.

And as far as the finger-pointing goes, Sterk, who I happen to like more than many around here, has to share the blame too. I need to find the article where he trotted out the statistics on Doba's players D-1 offers (or lack of) as proof that the cupboard was bare. This is not to take away from CPW's blame.

Nobody gets to coach to the end of year 5 on a deal, because the coach is a lame duck on the recruiting trail.
After the 2011 season, Moos options were extend or fire. Even a phony 2 year extension, Wulff is getting paid (probably even a raise!)

If Moos hadn't fired Wulff, the articles at Brand X would have started up supporting Wulff's extension.

12 years ago or so on Brand X, CougEd once argued that WSU was unfair to Paul Graham because they didn't give him Year 5.

Sterk had he stayed would've extended Paul Wulff to give himself more time to find another AD gig. Sterk wasn't going to be allowed to hire a 3rd FB coach.

 

[Cougsocal]

Too funny . Lobster played well just like Ryan Fitzpatrick played well. Lobster would have been really successful in Stanford’s offense. Take a peak at the game we lost to against UCLA that year. Tuel would have roasted them . Lobster couldn’t run . We ran a read option and the DE would crash down so hard he was in the guard center gap. Tuel would still be running if he was healthy to play that game .

What was the score of the San Diego state game when Lobster made two critical turnovers .

Lobster was steady. Tuels legs brought a higher ceiling . Playing in NFL kind of shows that .

No one ever said that Jeff Tuel isn't an athlete. He just wasn't a good QB. The only time that the Lobster ever got significant PT was in 2011 and he generated a PER of 138. Better than anything Tuel produced despite vastly greater experience. My god Tuel could only produce a PER of 119 in the QB friendly Air Raid, making him the worst starting QB Leach ever coached.

 

[dgibbons]

So not to stir the pot... and this isn't coming from a pro-Wulff position, but when measuring all of the other "worst coaches" in the history of college football...

How many other coaches were fired after showing the team actually getting better? (record wise and roster wise)

Aren't coaches getting fired when they look worse or with no improvement?

All that aside...

I don't even want to think of where we would be at now had we not gotten Leach.

But when you dig your own hole, do you get credit for halting the digging?

 

[dgibbons]

I'm telling you, those '11 & '12 recruiting classes were going to lead to some UGLY seasons. Not '08, '09 bad, but bad. Once Deone, Marquess, Cooper & Connor were gone, the program was going straight back to 2 win seasons.

We were fortunate Moos knew enough about football to see how bad recruiting was going and to pull the plug when he did.

The 11 & 12 recruiting classes were leading WSU back to 1 or 2 win seasons. 69-0, 66-3, I'm not sure. But I am sure that guys that are smaller, slower and weaker, who go into a small time strength and conditioning program end up hurt. The DL was terrible. The OL was worse. Tuel and/or Halliday were not going to survive. The 2012 season may not have been horrendous, but 2013 onward would have been.

 

[FnuLnu]

But when you dig your own hole, do you get credit for halting the digging?

Don't forget Wulff was doubling His win total every year!
2009 1 win
2010 2 wins
2011 4 wins
2012 8 wins (projected)
2013 16 wins (projected)
2014 32 wins (projected)
2015 64 wins (projected)
2016 128 wins (projected)
2017 256 wins (projected)
2018 512 wins (projected)

 

[dgibbons]

Don't forget Wulff was doubling His win total every year!
2009 1 win
2010 2 wins
2011 4 wins
2012 8 wins (projected)
2013 16 wins (projected)
2014 32 wins (projected)
2015 64 wins (projected)
2016 128 wins (projected)
2017 256 wins (projected)
2018 512 wins (projected)

You are correct sir!

Eight or nine wins for 2012 was guaranteed! Plus, we were going to keep our innocence.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

No one ever said that Jeff Tuel isn't an athlete. He just wasn't a good QB. The only time that the Lobster ever got significant PT was in 2011 and he generated a PER of 138. Better than anything Tuel produced despite vastly greater experience. My god Tuel could only produce a PER of 119 in the QB friendly Air Raid, making him the worst starting QB Leach ever coached.

I always find it interesting when people make statements like "Tuel just wasn't a good QB". Why did the Buffalo Bills sign him as an UDFA and keep him on their roster for two years if he wasn't a good QB? At any given time, there are fewer than 100 QB's on NFL rosters but he sucked even though he played in the NFL? Of course, people said that Brink wasn't a good QB and yet he got paid to be on an NFL practice squad then played in the CFL for four years. Not bad for a guy that sucked. ElC has been unrelenting of his criticism of Falk, despite the fact that the guy just happens to be on the roster of the Miami Dolphins right now. The only thing that's guaranteed in life when it comes to college football is that we as fans don't really know squat about whether or not a guy is a good player. If we did, we wouldn't be posting on message boards, we'd be getting paid to coach them.

 

[Loyal Coug]

I always find it interesting when people make statements like "Tuel just wasn't a good QB". Why did the Buffalo Bills sign him as an UDFA and keep him on their roster for two years if he wasn't a good QB? At any given time, there are fewer than 100 QB's on NFL rosters but he sucked even though he played in the NFL? Of course, people said that Brink wasn't a good QB and yet he got paid to be on an NFL practice squad then played in the CFL for four years. Not bad for a guy that sucked. ElC has been unrelenting of his criticism of Falk, despite the fact that the guy just happens to be on the roster of the Miami Dolphins right now. The only thing that's guaranteed in life when it comes to college football is that we as fans don't really know squat about whether or not a guy is a good player. If we did, we wouldn't be posting on message boards, we'd be getting paid to coach them.

Spot on - who was the only WSU QB since Leaf to start an NFL game?
Mencke/Baum? NO
Gropesser? NO
Brink? NO
Halliday? NO
Tuel? YES
Falk? Not yet and probably NO

Did I miss any?

 

[BiggsCoug]

Don't forget Wulff was doubling His win total every year!
2009 1 win
2010 2 wins
2011 4 wins
2012 8 wins (projected)
2013 16 wins (projected)
2014 32 wins (projected)
2015 64 wins (projected)
2016 128 wins (projected)
2017 256 wins (projected)
2018 512 wins (projected)

I nominate you to be president of the “9-40” fan club. Do I hear a second????

 

[dgibbons]

Spot on - who was the only WSU QB since Leaf to start an NFL game?
Mencke/Baum? NO
Gropesser? NO
Brink? NO
Halliday? NO
Tuel? YES
Falk? Not yet and probably NO

Did I miss any?

That was do to injuries in front of him and the Bills being too cheap to trade or pull someone off the street. You recall what happened afterward?

I many ways I feel bad for Tuel. Wulff really did him disservice in his attempts to keep his job. The guy was overhyped to the point where if you believed Wulff, Tuel was William Wallace. He was going to consume the English fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse, as I used to joke about. Wulff even said at media day that he wasn’t sure Andrew Luck was the best QB in the Pac-12 because of how good Tuel was.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

That was do to injuries in front of him and the Bills being too cheap to trade or pull someone off the street. You recall what happened afterward?

I many ways I feel bad for Tuel. Wulff really did him disservice in his attempts to keep his job. The guy was overhyped to the point where if you believed Wulff, Tuel was William Wallace. He was going to consume the English fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse, as I used to joke about. Wulff even said at media day that he wasn’t sure Andrew Luck was the best QB in the Pac-12 because of how good Tuel was.

He still got paid to be in the NFL for a while. I just love the fact that it means nothing to you because it doesn't fit your world view. I do think that he and Falk are kindred spirits in the "constipation in the pocket" department.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Don't forget Wulff was doubling His win total every year!
2009 1 win
2010 2 wins
2011 4 wins
2012 8 wins (projected)
2013 16 wins (projected)
2014 32 wins (projected)
2015 64 wins (projected)
2016 128 wins (projected)
2017 256 wins (projected)
2018 512 wins (projected)

You underestimate Wullf. What initially appears to be doubling his win total was actually exponential growth!! 1,2,4,16, 256, 65536!!!

You read that right, in year three he would have win sixty five thousand games. Let that sink in for a moment.

 

[95coug]

Spot on - who was the only WSU QB since Leaf to start an NFL game?
Mencke/Baum? NO
Gropesser? NO
Brink? NO
Halliday? NO
Tuel? YES
Falk? Not yet and probably NO

Did I miss any?

Drew Bledsoe started after Leaf did. But that's mostly just a smartass answer.

 

[dgibbons]

He still got paid to be in the NFL for a while. I just love the fact that it means nothing to you because it doesn't fit your world view. I do think that he and Falk are kindred spirits in the "constipation in the pocket" department.

I know he was “uhhh average” playing for the best college coach he had.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Too funny . Lobster played well just like Ryan Fitzpatrick played well. Lobster would have been really successful in Stanford’s offense. Take a peak at the game we lost to against UCLA that year. Tuel would have roasted them . Lobster couldn’t run . We ran a read option and the DE would crash down so hard he was in the guard center gap. Tuel would still be running if he was healthy to play that game .

What was the score of the San Diego state game when Lobster made two critical turnovers .

Lobster was steady. Tuels legs brought a higher ceiling . Playing in NFL kind of shows that .

And Lobster lit up CU to the tune of 376 yards & 3 TDs, including the game winner.

And, of course, Halliday was 27/36 for 494 & 4 against ASU.

You absolutely certain we win both those games with Tuel? If I give you the UCLA game as a win with Tuel, then it's only fair for you to admit they don't win that ASU game without Halliday. So, at best, the "healthy Tuel" parallel universe is a wash.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Spot on - who was the only WSU QB since Leaf to start an NFL game?
Mencke/Baum? NO
Gropesser? NO
Brink? NO
Halliday? NO
Tuel? YES
Falk? Not yet and probably NO

Did I miss any?

Taking NFL snaps doesn't necessarily mean you were a productive college QB. I'd take 4 of the 6 guys you listed over Tuel, easily.

 

[Fab5Coug]

All this said about Tuel, he seemed like a good kid. He had talent and probably could have been a really good college QB had he been coached by Leach for 4 years. As it were, he battled injuries and awful coaching for most of his career and still made the NFL. He was also oversold by Wulff as some kind of promise of the future to excuse the performance at the time.

 

[etowncoug]

Watched this again recently (usually circle back to it once a year) and am amazed how bad it is. This gave us great insight into how Wulff coached: no accountability, no plan to improve, confidence things will turn around because "we're doing things the right way", indignation he could be fired after what a good job he did. Few coaches, even if they have worse results, breed the culture of mediocrity Wulff did.

Leach has been a welcome contrast: 1) Be a team. 2) Be the most excited to play. 3) Be the best at doing your job. Doesn't talk about injuries. Goes bonkers if the team isn't playing their best. It's not a surprise he was able to turn things around.

 

[95coug]

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Watched this again recently (usually circle back to it once a year) and am amazed how bad it is. This gave us great insight into how Wulff coached: no accountability, no plan to improve, confidence things will turn around because "we're doing things the right way", indignation he could be fired after what a good job he did. Few coaches, even if they have worse results, breed the culture of mediocrity Wulff did.

Leach has been a welcome contrast: 1) Be a team. 2) Be the most excited to play. 3) Be the best at doing your job. Doesn't talk about injuries. Goes bonkers if the team isn't playing their best. It's not a surprise he was able to turn things around.

I struggled to make it, but could only tolerate watching 5 minutes of that drivel.
The one thing I take away from that 5 minutes though - every single one of the areas he mentioned as "outstanding", "excellent", etc. have been improved under Leach. Particularly academics, strength & conditioning.

No regrets. Not even a moment of hesitation. Frankly, I was ready to show him the door after 2010 (if not after the home opener in 2008). The only reason I'm glad we didn't is that I don't know that we land Leach in 2010.

 

[FnuLnu]

I nominate you to be president of the “9-40” fan club. Do I hear a second????

You're risking a schism between the 9-40 supporters and the 6-40 supporters. (Those 3 FCS wins cost WSU 3 QBs so it is hard to know what side to pick.)
Definitely think the 2008 Possum Bowl game should be commemorated and that a Paul Wulff Museum should be built in either Pullman or Spokane.

Let CougEd be hired as a tour guide so he can argue OL recruiting with museum patrons at the Jeff Tuel X-ray display. CougEd will do a great job and of course wear white gloves whenever he shows patrons an actual copy of "The Plan".

 

[CougEd]

You're risking a schism between the 9-40 supporters and the 6-40 supporters. (Those 3 FCS wins cost WSU 3 QBs so it is hard to know what side to pick.)
Definitely think the 2008 Possum Bowl game should be commemorated and that a Paul Wulff Museum should be built in either Pullman or Spokane.

Let CougEd be hired as a tour guide so he can argue OL recruiting with museum patrons at the Jeff Tuel X-ray display. CougEd will do a great job and of course wear white gloves whenever he shows patrons an actual copy of "The Plan".

Why do you diminish FCS teams . I would think of all people we would have a greater appreciation than most .

 

[etowncoug]

Why do you diminish FCS teams . I would think of all people we would have a greater appreciation than most .

Bottom of the barrel FCS teams are light years behind FCS playoff teams.

 

[etowncoug]

Bottom of the barrel FCS teams are light years behind FCS playoff teams.

And, yes, I'm aware the 2010 Montana St team was decent. But 2008 Portland St and 2011 Idaho St were terrible.

2015 Portland St boat raced another FBS school that year and 2016 Eastern Washington was a good football team, too.

 

[random soul]

Great, after all this now I find myself wondering who the best and worst have really been in big time football. If Leach sticks around he'll probably end up in the top spot, especially if he wins a couple conference titles. I don't count Hollingberry because that's just too far back. I'd call 1960 a good cutoff for "modern" football. What would the standard be? Sustained greatness or horror? Taking something great and turning it into a dumpster fire, or vice versa? Some combo of the two? Leach and Price are the only ones in the conversation at WSU because they're the only ones that have won games and stuck around any length of time. Would John McKay be the gold standard, and Andros the Golgathan? Expanding from there, does scandal work against you? Barry Switzer had a helluva resume' at OU, but he also left his program in a wreck. Sorry I'm a football nerd that likes this kind of stuff, and I'm too busy toddler wrangling to go at this 'Tron style right now

 

[Loyal Coug]

Great, after all this now I find myself wondering who the best and worst have really been in big time football.

Sorry I'm a football nerd that likes this kind of stuff, and I'm too busy toddler wrangling to go at this 'Tron style right now

And many of us thank you for this.

Just kidding Tron. Maybe.....

 

[random soul]

Meh, he latches onto something dumb Ed says and gets too wound up about being right on the internet for our well-being, but I enjoy a lot of the research

 

[FnuLnu]

I struggled to make it, but could only tolerate watching 5 minutes of that drivel.
The one thing I take away from that 5 minutes though - every single one of the areas he mentioned as "outstanding", "excellent", etc. have been improved under Leach. Particularly academics, strength & conditioning.

No regrets. Not even a moment of hesitation. Frankly, I was ready to show him the door after 2010 (if not after the home opener in 2008). The only reason I'm glad we didn't is that I don't know that we land Leach in 2010.

A real program with any self-confidence and good leadership cans him after Year 1 (2008).
Colorado canned their incompetent alum after Year 2

Wulff is so awkward in every way in that video, how in the hell did he survive his one on one with Jim Sterk in Salt Lake City during the interview process? Did EFloyd get to talk with him?

Jim Sweeney had some game as a mega-BS artist and likeability during some dark times at WSU (no games in Pullman for 2 years). And it turned it he knew how to coach once he gave up on the veer offense.

Wulff? Just don't get it.

Is he calling plays at Sac State or is Luke Huard.

 

[FnuLnu]

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Watched this again recently (usually circle back to it once a year) and am amazed how bad it is. This gave us great insight into how Wulff coached: no accountability, no plan to improve, confidence things will turn around because "we're doing things the right way", indignation he could be fired after what a good job he did. Few coaches, even if they have worse results, breed the culture of mediocrity Wulff did.

Leach has been a welcome contrast: 1) Be a team. 2) Be the most excited to play. 3) Be the best at doing your job. Doesn't talk about injuries. Goes bonkers if the team isn't playing their best. It's not a surprise he was able to turn things around.

Big thanks for posting that video.

It is cringeworthy and worth a watch (better than syrup of ipecac)