Leach tweet
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I'm not quite to the age yet where I just say off-handed sh!t and reminisce about using racial slurs without recourse, but... (not that I ever did that... just remembering the older folks when I was a kid doing it)
did anyone else not find this as offensive as the MSU folks? I mean, I get it; its horribly tone deaf, but to pretend like no one can ever mention a noose again lest it be a direct reference to the lynchings in the south?
He made a joke about a wife wanting to kill her husband since they've been locked up together - it could have been a gun in her lap, or a knife, but she was knitting, so a noose was shown because a knitted gun wouldn't be very effective... I can't believe I'm explaining a joke.
Again, horribly tone deaf? Yes. Racist? Hardly.
did anyone else not find this as offensive as the MSU folks? I mean, I get it; its horribly tone deaf, but to pretend like no one can ever mention a noose again lest it be a direct reference to the lynchings in the south?
He made a joke about a wife wanting to kill her husband since they've been locked up together - it could have been a gun in her lap, or a knife, but she was knitting, so a noose was shown because a knitted gun wouldn't be very effective... I can't believe I'm explaining a joke.
Again, horribly tone deaf? Yes. Racist? Hardly.
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I made essentially the same comments in another thread. It's gallows humor, not racial whatsoever. Whoever made the cartoon could have drawn granny forging a knife, but that's not very appropriate to the scenario. Leach just needs think before he tweets.
If your football team that is filled with young men that likely have family history of men being being lynched and you think this joke is ok, maybe you shouldn't post it? Maybe you just don't get it?
Seriously, is this cause for termination??? If MSU wanted to can his ass for this could they???
No cause is needed to terminate his contract. Cause is needed to avoid paying the buyout. And no, retweeting a meme that was flying around social media is not cause.
Your statement regarding lynching is not supported by data. "According to the Tuskegee Institute, 4,743 people were lynched between 1882 and 1968 in the United States, including 3,446 African Americans and 1,297 whites. More than 73 percent of lynchings in the post-Civil War period occurred in the Southern states. According to the Equal Justice Initiative, 4,084 African-Americans were lynched between 1877 and 1950 in the South."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States
Was the tweet itself racist? Absolutely not. Stupid for a football coach in MS? Yes. I don't think Leach has a racist bone in his body. But he is sometimes socially clueless.
I am pretty non PC. But I doubt I would post that tweet if I were a football coach in the South. You have to know your audience. Even if you know the distinction between this inherently non-racist meme and true racist intent, you have got to know it's going to be interpreted by some differently. You can argue all day long that people shouldn't take offense at it, but it's not going to change the fact that some people will. It's the way it is. If you are a football coach, why risk this? It's going to hurt your recruiting and your relationship with athletes. Leach has lived in the South. He knows history. But sometimes he just doesn't think about the social consequences of his actions.
I am pretty non PC. But I doubt I would post that tweet if I were a football coach in the South. You have to know your audience. Even if you know the distinction between this inherently non-racist meme and true racist intent, you have got to know it's going to be interpreted by some differently. You can argue all day long that people shouldn't take offense at it, but it's not going to change the fact that some people will. It's the way it is. If you are a football coach, why risk this? It's going to hurt your recruiting and your relationship with athletes. Leach has lived in the South. He knows history. But sometimes he just doesn't think about the social consequences of his actions.
Pictures were horrific, but I don't think accurately counting lynchings were a priority back in the day. I'll take the over. Like betting against China's count of people with corona and totals deaths. Wouldn't get an honest answer.
The number of lynchings is going to be more or less accurate due to the public nature of the crime. These weren't secret killings where someone goes to the store and doesn't come back, these were killings where crowds got whipped into a frenzy and executed someone for an alleged crime. Publically without an effort of law enforcement to stop it. This happens a few times and people start to think they could be next.
These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded.
https://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/
Probably not but it makes it a lot easier to can him when he only wins 5 or 6 games.
At this point though I’m not sure he cares too much. IMO he’s already halfway to Key West.
I tend to agree. This was his last big payday and a chance to compete in the SEC. I’m sure he’s still competitive, but I don’t think he cares or fears failure anymore. If he flames out at Mississippi St., the prospect of finishing his career at Central Florida, South Florida, or Florida Atlantic wouldn’t bother him. In fact, he’d probably embrace it.
I don't see him going to a small school. I see him focusing on letting other people write books for him, hunting in Canada and roller blading in Key West.
He might even call MSU his last stop and walk off into the sunset with the ~20 million he pockets from miss st—certainly he’ll have plenty to retire on so long as he hasn’t been spending like MC Hammer.
Just out of curiosity what time did Leach tweet what he did. Like others, he should stay off twitter and find a different form of entertainment.
Ha!
Leach fancies himself as a student of history, but still manages to offend the citizens of the most backwards state in the Union. He is certain that his wit and wisdom extends far beyond the gridiron, and that his public is breathlessly waiting for his views on politics, society and to pass along cartoons that even without being incredibly offense at best would deserve a silent chuckle.
He was hired to win football games. Period. He was given an absurd amount of press in Pullman as this eccentric Renaissance Man, but in reality if he doesn’t win football games he is just the weird uncle that everyone has, who comes to Thanksgiving with a million opinions that he has to bestow on everyone and won’t shut up.
Maybe win a couple of SEC games, then start talking again.
Leach fancies himself as a student of history, but still manages to offend the citizens of the most backwards state in the Union. He is certain that his wit and wisdom extends far beyond the gridiron, and that his public is breathlessly waiting for his views on politics, society and to pass along cartoons that even without being incredibly offense at best would deserve a silent chuckle.
He was hired to win football games. Period. He was given an absurd amount of press in Pullman as this eccentric Renaissance Man, but in reality if he doesn’t win football games he is just the weird uncle that everyone has, who comes to Thanksgiving with a million opinions that he has to bestow on everyone and won’t shut up.
Maybe win a couple of SEC games, then start talking again.
I read it...and re-read it. So this is a math equation for you? Maybe family is synonymous with community in this respect. But please, look at it like Mr. Spock would look at it.
Looks like it was sent 7:48PM on April Fool's Day - can't find a good image of it to post (maybe you can?). Hard to see more detail.
Speaking of former WSU coaches on twitter - Paul Wulff sent this tweet.
Is he urging people to head to the beach during a pandemic?
(It was sent last Monday at 5:17pm)
Tough to argue with that pic. Not sure there are many beaches his division or conference that look like that. My daughter almost went there, great place to go to school.
The kid who left Miss. State because of the tweet has spoken out about it. Nothing earth shattering, but Leach didn't even take the time to try to talk to the kid about it. I don't know if it would have made a difference, but not even trying to get the kid to stay by talking to him says a lot of bad things about Leach that we already knew.
I respect the hell out of Leach for his coaching ability, but the man really needs to take a step back and check his ego. It's gonna suck for him if they don't make a bowl game (or lose the Egg Bowl) because Lovett's replacement isn't good enough to get any pressure on QB's this year.
I respect the hell out of Leach for his coaching ability, but the man really needs to take a step back and check his ego. It's gonna suck for him if they don't make a bowl game (or lose the Egg Bowl) because Lovett's replacement isn't good enough to get any pressure on QB's this year.
SLO is a completely different campus than any other UC or Cal State campus...geography, ethnicity, climate, population density, traffic, you name it. My only gripe is the wind, which always seems to be blowing. Nice place to visit every year to recruit.
The kid entered the portal over a dumb tweet meme about marriage during a pandemic quarantine to transfer to a school (Florida State) that fired a black coach after 1 3/4 seasons (9-12 record).
After Adam Jones at Tech, Marquiss Wilson at WSU, why engage another unhappy camper (which there are plenty after every coaching change)?
Walden groveled to Rypien when he quit, because Rypien was worth it (despite remaining a brat).
Price didn't grovel to Rosenbach (not that it would have mattered) because the situation & Rosenbach wasn't worth it. Rosenbach quit on his team every day he bailed on class.
I didn't say that Leach needed to "grovel" for anyone. I'm not saying that the kid did the right thing. I'm saying that Leach didn't care enough to reach out to the kid. You can say that he didn't need to....and you are right. However, there's nothing wrong with having a conversation with someone when there's an issue. It's pretty f'ing arrogant for Leach (and anyone supporting him) to think that it's ok to throw away the tens of thousands of dollars invested in the kid because he wasn't going to explain himself to some dumb n##er that doesn't get the joke. (And by the way....that's the implication of the outrage that the kid was outraged).
And frankly, I'm not sure how relevant it is that they fired Willie Taggert at Florida State. He was the first coach in four decades to have a losing season at FSU and they had to go to overtime against ULM to avoid having a 3-6 record at the time he was canned in 2019. You making it a "black thing" is a nice pull of the race card but it's totally unwarranted. If anything, you have to respect them for having the balls to know it was time to dump him.
Leach has spoken openly about cutting players that had bad attitudes, wouldn’t work hard enough for Leach’s standard, etc. This was especially true when he was new at WSU. I don’t know this guy at all, but if Leach didn’t think the juice was worth the squeeze no reason to engage him.
I'm sure that Leach had his reasons....but I'm betting it has less to do with his evaluation of whether or not it was worth the trouble on this one kid and more along the lines of "I don't give a crap about what any of these kids think". Leach doesn't care what anybody thinks, player or not. It's one of the things that will keep him from being as great as he could be.
IIRC, you seemed quite satisfied that Robert Barber was expelled by a flawed SCB process a couple credits shy of graduation. We're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars in that case.
WSU had a leader of the SCB who didn't even live in the state of Washington (in "north Idaho" -wink, wink) and during his hearing the SCB joked amongst themselves about Barber being in a "holding pen"
Do they make that same "holding pen" joke if Barber was a white engineering student?
In another state with more media scrutiny, Schulz & the SCB are out on their ass.
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I cannot really fault Schulz much for that fiasco. He was new to the job and decided to let the system in place deal with it. The SCB at the time did not appear to me to be racist but prejudiced against athletes. A system more in line with Evergreen State than WSU. Hopefully, that has been cleaned up.
Ok.....Robert Barber beat the living crap out of a dude half his size. He deserved everything he got and probably deserved more. I have no sympathy for 300 lb dudes that beat up 180 lb dudes over access to a summer party. F#ck Robert Barber. If his a$$ was worth anything at all, he'd be playing in the league. Stupid a$$hole should have walked away. Instead....he had people defending him because he's a football player and they were more worried about how the team performed on the field than doing the right thing. If Barber was a Husky, you'd be all up in his business about that fight. Again.....F#ck Robert Barber.
There are people in the world who spend their lives believing they are victims or that people are slighting them or against them, white, black, mexican, asian, there is no exception.
When you are constantly looking for racism, you will see it everywhere whether its there or not. There was nothing inherently racist about Leaches tweet, but he got backed into a corner and basically labelled as a racist by a small group of players and campus personnel. I can tell you first hand that there is no convincing the victimhood group of anything other than what they want to believe. Going and talking to this kid would have been a lose- lose; he couldn't have made it better no matter what he said or did, and he only risked further saying something innocuous that could have been used against him.
Bleed...let me ask you this...are you saying the MSU player was out of line, or people in the south are out of line after seeing the tweet? Do I think the tweet was racist? No I don't. Do I think Lynard Skynard were racists when the Confederate flag flew behind the stage at their concerts? No. But I do get how people who went through that period are offended by the symbol.
Not out of line - people can do whatever they want to do. However, putting your decision on someone else is garbage; I have a feeling he had one foot out the door already and the tweet just made for a convenient excuse.
It could have been turned into a learning moment, instead it became a divisive moment with a villain and a hero.
Here is something anecdotal from me: I'm half hispanic, and I look it. I see and hear racist stuff against Mexicans all the time, and tbh it irks me. But I'm not living my life to be irritated by some ignorant bigots who say stupid sh!t - 1 minute of a day when someone says or implies something racially insensitive does not control me. I have waaaaaay too much other great stuff going on in my life to live angry over some jerks, but THAT'S MY CHOICE. As I said, some people prefer to live their life in a manner that makes them victims of the world, and thats fine but not for me. And personally, I don't understand it.
My whole thing is he should probably know better about the symbolism about the noose...especially for someone as educated as he.
With that said, I do think people overreacted. It clearly wasn't a racist tweet and instead of people taking the tweet in the spirit it was intended, they double down on racism.
Some people just aren't happy unless they are offended...and they look under rocks and potted plants for ways to be offended.
With that said, I do think people overreacted. It clearly wasn't a racist tweet and instead of people taking the tweet in the spirit it was intended, they double down on racism.
Some people just aren't happy unless they are offended...and they look under rocks and potted plants for ways to be offended.
I agree 100% that there wasn't any intentional racism by Leach. I agree that the kid over-reacted and should have made an effort to reach out to Leach if he was that offended. I also think that if Leach really cared about "the kids" the way that people think he does, and if he wasn't so damned arrogant, he would have taken the time to talk to the kid. I don't buy the BS above about "is the juice worth the squeeze". Leach hasn't been around long enough to know anything about the kid. If he's willing to dismiss a kid as worthless based on being upset about a joke that was perceived as racist, it's not a positive look for Leach as a "leader of young men". If he's burned out to the point where anyone that doesn't like it should hit the road......maybe he is as close to retiring to the Keys as others have suggested that he is. He didn't owe the kid a meeting or a phone call....but a better man would have done it.
I'm hoping that Rolovich is as good of a coach as he is a PR guy, because I'm sick of having a coach who's more famous because he's a cazy a-hole than he is for actually winning championships. I watched his clip from "Friday Night Lights" that someone posted on Facebook earlier in the week. Holy sh!t....it's pure cringe when you watch it through the filter that he's no longer our coach.
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