Leach wanted Ball as his DC or co DC back in 2011

[YakiCoug]

Re: I just told you. I take it anything less than

Originally posted by CougEd:
the persons name won't do. Which you wont get. This all over Chris Ball. Unbelievable.

Box canyons are fun, aren't they, Ed? Btw, comparing yourself and your use of a supersecret source to Britton and what he does is laughable. For example, Britton has an anonymous source on the D. Brown suspension/dismissal case. It's quite possible his source would be fired for violating WSU athletic department rules if Britton identifies him/her. You claim to have a source saying Leach "wanted" Ball as his DC in 2011. Unless your source works in the athletic department, you aren't getting anyone fired. But that doesn't matter. You also have alluded to a 2011 story as a source. It's pretty easy to find a published story that would back up your claim. Go for it, and we'll lower a rope to the canyon floor.

 

[CougEd]

Coaches make choices that don't work all the time.

So? Leach just fired his best friend. It didn't work out for that coach in Pullman. Big deal.

coaches get fired all the time. It is part of the territory. You think Walden/Price were right all the time?

 

[dgibbons]

Re: Steve Brousard, Ken Greene, Rosie, Levy (to some extent)

Originally posted by CougEd:

Yarno were horrible recruiters. They may love WSU, but they couldn't sell WSU. And by the way, Chris Ball never attended WSU.

Of course you forgot the greatest of failed Coug recruiters.

 

[CougEd]

Re: I just told you. I take it anything less than

You wrote "Unless your source works in the athletic department, you aren't getting anyone fired". Well, there you go.

And no I never referred to an article written back in 2011. This was told to me over a beverage.

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: I just told you. I take it anything less than

Originally posted by CougEd:
You wrote "Unless your source works in the athletic department, you aren't getting anyone fired". Well, there you go.

And no I never referred to an article written back in 2011. This was told to me over a beverage.

But it is simple, I will send you an email regarding a story to be told that was written by me to someone else on the board about this subject. I didn't reveal the names but I do reveal there was story back in 2011. Cougfan just wrote about it.

This post was edited on 12/30 1:29 PM by CougEd


What a mess.

 

[CougEd]

Yaki...How about this...I wrote an email earlier this month

to a poster on the board about a story that was told to me recently about 2011 and Ball. I told that "poster" that there was a story about 2011, and someday the story might be told, and I will fill you (meaning the poster) in. Clearly Cougfan has the exact same source that I do.

I just sent Dgibs the redacted version of that email.

You are right, you are a mess.

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: Yaki...How about this...I wrote an email earlier this month

Originally posted by CougEd:
to a poster on the board about a story that was told to me recently about 2011 and Ball. I told that "poster" that there was a story about 2011, and someday the story might be told, and I will fill you (meaning the poster) in. Clearly Cougfan has the exact same source that I do.

I just sent Dgibs the redacted version of that email.

You are right, you are a mess.

Good luck with those ESL classes. What is your native language, by the way?

 

[CougEd]

Inuit, Aleut, or Yupik...how about yours?

?

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: Inuit, Aleut, or Yupik...how about yours?

One last thing regarding your obsession with Chris Ball: if you do, in fact, have a super-secret source within the athletic department, he/she isn't going to be fired for mentioning the coaching transitions from three years ago. You have said it's not controversial. The only issue is with the validity of your claim - that Leach wanted Ball as his defensive coordinator. You have no evidence, but you do have a thing for Ball. Btw, is he the "client" you recently mentioned that has held DC titles twice in his career?

 

[CougEd]

Good grief...

I have evidence. I just won't share it with you. In part to protect the person who told me, and there is a very good reason why. I don't care if you believe the validity, it is the truth.

Yes, I have an infatuation with Ball. Repeating what was written about on Brand X certainly qualifies as such.

You can't keep much straight can you. I never said my client was a DC for two separate Pac 10 teams. Just incorrect comprehension on your behalf, again.

 

[Coug1990]

Re: Come on Ed

I would not want Ball back to be DC. But, I would as the DB coach. I think he is good at evaluating defensive back prospects and I think he is fine at coaching them as well. For some reason, he has not worked out as well for him at ASU. Of course, Ken Greene was very good at Purdue, and not so good at WSU.

 

[britton ransford]

Re: Inuit, Aleut, or Yupik...how about yours?

Originally posted by YakiCoug:
One last thing regarding your obsession with Chris Ball: if you do, in fact, have a super-secret source within the athletic department, he/she isn't going to be fired for mentioning the coaching transitions from three years ago. You have said it's not controversial. The only issue is with the validity of your claim - that Leach wanted Ball as his defensive coordinator. You have no evidence, but you do have a thing for Ball. Btw, is he the "client" you recently mentioned that has held DC titles twice in his career?

I have evidence. I just won't share it with you. In part to protect the person who told me, and there is a very good reason why. I don't care if you believe the validity, it is the truth.

Yes, I have an infatuation with Ball. Repeating what was written about on Brand X certainly qualifies as such.

You can't keep much straight can you. I never said my client was a DC for two separate Pac 10 teams. Just incorrect comprehension on your behalf, again.

Let's just be done, please. Thanks.

 

[Observer11]

Re: You really believe I would divulge a source to you

Originally posted by 405 Coug:
When Leach arrived he had no intention of keeping any of the coaches, per his book, his biggest mistake at Tech was retaining some of the staff. His original meeting with the previous staff of assistant coaches at WSU lasted less than 2 minutes. How long does it take to say you're all gone?



Truth.

 

[chinookpirate]

Re: Good grief...

Sooo... Leach couldn't close Ball and we settled on Breske.

this is what has Yaki in an estrogen rage?

 

[Fab5Coug]

Re: Good grief...

Originally posted by CougEd:
I have evidence. I just won't share it with you. In part to protect the person who told me, and there is a very good reason why. I don't care if you believe the validity, it is the truth.

Yes, I have an infatuation with Ball. Repeating what was written about on Brand X certainly qualifies as such.

You can't keep much straight can you. I never said my client was a DC for two separate Pac 10 teams. Just incorrect comprehension on your behalf, again.

Why don't you stop being coy and just tell everyone what you heard happened?


Leach offered Ball the job and Ball decided to pack up for a lesser job in Tempe?

Leach said he "might" offer Ball the job, but Ball didn't want to wait in limbo and took another job to be safe?

Ball was choice #1? 2? 3? Ahead of Breske? Behind Breske?

Ball didn't want to work for Leach? Ball didn't want to work for WSU?


All this, I have a source that told me a thing about a guy once, but I'm not going to tell you who, what, why or when is kind of silly. Just be out with it, otherwise, what was the point of bringing it up?

 

[CougEd]

That wasn't quite the scenario...


from what I have been told they would both have been on the staff. Without saying it, I am thinking a Sears/Ball scenario, with Breske probably taking the lead.

 

[CougEd]

Fab...Being coy? I thought I was pretty succinct

first, it was brought up simply how coaches make certain decisions and they back fire. Maybe the grass isn't always greener sort of thing. Ball made a decision not to join the WSU staff because he thought ASU would be a better avenue to get a head coaching gig. As it turned out he has a co-coordinator title but that clearly is in name only. Clearly it is Graham's defense. Graham is a defensive coach first, and he will always have his hands in the pie. For Ball, if he remained at WSU, the d coordinator or co d coordinators have full reign to do what they please.

I thought I was very clear about what happened. It wasn't about Leach nor WSU, but I would surmise it was about what he envisioned as a great opportunity to advance his career.

This would have never been talked about if Brand X didn't write the story. This is something I discovered awhile back. Just an interesting story about the coaching world, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[wazzubruce]

Re: Good grief...


Gotta say that Ed is on the wrong side of this arguement..... you put it out there...... Yaki & Dgib wanna know.... I guess I do too.

How do you know this.... or is this just more drama.

 

[CougEd]

Hmmm....Not sure why this is drama?

Personally I thought it was more of a coaching story of Ball making what turned out to be the wrong decision by not staying with the Cougs. Kinda like when Price left. Seemed like the right and best thing to do. In hindsight both made the wrong decision in my eyes even though it made sense at the time. The beauty of 20/20 hindsight.

What do you want to know...how I know? That I will never tell. (Clearly the same person who told Brand X). I never would have ever said jack about it if Brand X never wrote about it, and in hindsight if I knew it would be ...what's the word...controversial...I would never had written it.

Give me your email address, I will send you bits of an email correspondence I had with someone who posts on this board and I mention a situation back in 2011. I didn't give the person the details of who it was, but I mention the situation of 2011. I will do this under one condition...upon reading by email conversation with the other poster you go to page one of the message board and simply say "Ed's information on this one issue was correct.". I will even make it easy on you so you don't have to give up an email address on the board. One of my gmail accounts is couged@gmail.com. Will that suffice?

 

[Coug95man2]

Re: Hmmm....Not sure why this is drama?

Ed, I'm just going to put this out there… Do you not see, it isn't that the topic is really THAT controversial. It's that you put it (honestly you could do this with just about anything, if someone would disagree with you and ask for backup) out there for the masses, but won't share the foundational issues with it, being "How do you know?". No offense but you aren't some journalist where there's a least a LITTLE assumption of credibility. As we've all stated on here more than I can count, we are all anonymous here. No one really has any credibility.

So why anyone posts something that they are stating is irrevocable truth and then won't backed up… Come on. This isn't controversial. It's rumor. You placed this in a forum for the masses and then won't share how you know to the masses. This is silly...

 

[wulffui]

I don't genuinely care...

That said, there've been dozens of discussions where Ed took the Ball side, and yet this piece of info- that he's been holding for three years in silence- is now not just fair game, but a given since CF covered it. That doesn't wash. Doesn't make it false- people have incongruous motives all the time...

That said, if you have inside sources giving you good info, you don't burn that to shut up people on a message board.

 

[chinookpirate]

Re: Come on Ed


In all seriousness... Not that this thread deserves any... But, here goes anyway...

I believe Ed, but, so what? Ball would have been a fool to stick around. Things worked out well for him at ASU, Simone too. Good for them.

Leach is an offensive coach. He was always going to stack talent on the offensive side of the ball... First. He's done that now. We have a maturing O line, RB's, WR's and, seemingly, 3 QB's to choose from.

The new DC gets a slew of Fr and Sophs with reps and game film. Presumably, he will also get all the talent(speed) he wants out of this recruiting class. In short, any DC Leach gets now is in a much better position today than when the Ball decision was made.

 

[wulffui]

Re: I don't genuinely care...

In essence, don't we all know a thing or two? And, as someone who's more interested in knowing things, and not worrying about proving that I know those things, not telling everyone who told me just seems sensible.

 

[CougEd]

I can back it up. I just won't do it on the board.

But if you want me to say it is rumor I won't. I may be a ton of things, but I don't lie. Not in my nature. So if you want me to say it is the truth but feels like a rumor because I won't let you know how I know, then it feels like a rumor. Better?

Everyone knows someone. So I am not name dropping, simply pointing out a truth, I know Ken Bone. Not well, as he is older than I but we went to the same high school. He already graduated by the time I got there, but he knows my sister and his closest friend is a good friend of mine. He is the nicest person I have ever met. Genuine to the core. There are things I knew and heard about, good and bad long before they were ever made public. The point isn't being an "insider" or someone with a "source", but rather the point is I am not someone to one betray someone's confidence, and two, post something that is not true. The only thing I ever posted I knew from behind the scenes during the bone years was how much he liked Pullman, how he liked raising his family there, and he would have retired if possible as the head coach of WSU. If he was fortunate enough to have Tony Bennett success and he was offered the UW or USC job he would have remained in Pullman, that is how much he liked it.

So I am not going to say something that is not true. I don't lie. Maybe that answers your question- "So why anyone posts something that they are stating is irrevocable truth and then won't backed up..Come on."

I am perfectly fine with you thinking it is rumor even though it is not.

 

[CougEd]

Well Wulfui...I don't have that piece for three years


Clearly the person who told me told Brand X. Brand X didn't have that info for three years either.

Second taking Ball's side in what?

 

[Coug95man2]

Re: I can back it up. I just won't do it on the board.

Originally posted by CougEd:
But if you want me to say it is rumor I won't. I may be a ton of things, but I don't lie. Not in my nature. So if you want me to say it is the truth but feels like a rumor because I won't let you know how I know, then it feels like a rumor. Better?

Everyone knows someone. So I am not name dropping, simply pointing out a truth, I know Ken Bone. Not well, as he is older than I but we went to the same high school. He already graduated by the time I got there, but he knows my sister and his closest friend is a good friend of mine. He is the nicest person I have ever met. Genuine to the core. There are things I knew and heard about, good and bad long before they were ever made public. The point isn't being an "insider" or someone with a "source", but rather the point is I am not someone to one betray someone's confidence, and two, post something that is not true. The only thing I ever posted I knew from behind the scenes during the bone years was how much he liked Pullman, how he liked raising his family there, and he would have retired if possible as the head coach of WSU. If he was fortunate enough to have Tony Bennett success and he was offered the UW or USC job he would have remained in Pullman, that is how much he liked it.

So I am not going to say something that is not true. I don't lie. Maybe that answers your question- "So why anyone posts something that they are stating is irrevocable truth and then won't backed up..Come on."

I am perfectly fine with you thinking it is rumor even though it is not.

Hope so because that's exactly what I think. I'd wager I'm not the only one. And to be clear, you could be telling the exact truth, to the letter. But how would any of us know? What are you going to do, start emailing all of us this redacted email? Silly. At that point, just tell everyone because eventually Yaki will find out because you are sharing with so many people...

No offense but you "don't mean to name drop" yet you drop Ken Bone in the same post.

Like you've said… Like I've said… Like everyone has said… we are a bunch of anonymous posters here. I was told that by fishie just last week. Don't want to back it up, no worries but don't be surprised when a vast majority of people here call you on it and consider it rumor… because without backup, that's exactly what it is.

Hope everyone has a great New Years. And be safe all!

 

[Whitworth-Coug]

Sad

 

[CougEd]

Yes...in Pullman everyone knows someone

I would be willing to bet there are people on this board who know Leach quiet well, or people on his staff or people in the administration. I only used Bones name as a perfect example that I don't post fact/rumor on this board. But next time I will be much more careful with my words if I ever post something I heard or read and say "It is rumored Chris Ball was offered a spot on the staff back on 2011". Like I said, when I wrote it I didn't think it was all that unbelievable or controversial.

You know what is really interesting 95, there are at least four posts on the board that claimed it "never happened", yet you have zero problem with that definitive post.

As for Yaki, if he wanted to get the information from me he has gone to the company webpage and put a third parties name on this board, so he clearly could get my email (which he use to have and biggest mistake I have ever made BTW) and I could send him the information.

But next time if I post "informational" type "stuff", I promise to make sure I say "it was told to me by a reliable person but I have zero documentation so technically it is a rumor.

 

[CougEd]

What's more sad...


Is how you take stuff out of context.

But don't you have to go spend time with John Blanchette and talk about the article some more back in 1999 where he was factually incorrect about the 1994 recruiting class where he used information from a Cougzone post? When you write for a newspaper it stays online, and one can prove to you where what he wrote was factually in error. Maybe you could spend your New Years glossing over that.

 

[Coug95man2]

Re: Yes...in Pullman everyone knows someone

Ed, I was one of the first to post on this thread and it had nothing to do with, is it true or not. It was an interesting take. When the point of the whole thread veered and became "I'm telling the truth but I don't have to back it up." it turned into a weird, surreal thing. I'm not trying to pick on you or anything. I trust the "It didn't happen" as much as I trust you. And the reason for that is we are all anonymous. And you know it. The part that seems weird is your inability to accept this. You say, "Hey man. You can trust me." and we should all accept that?! No offense to you or anyone else but unless I meet you, become a true friend, and then spend serious quality time, I don't know you, or anyone else here, from a bump on a log.

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: Yes...in Pullman everyone knows someone

The larger issue here is the use of anonymous sources and how one weighs or measures their credibility before disseminating information obtained from them. In journalism, reporters have anonymous sources, but they also have ways to verify the information they provide before it becomes part of a published story. Simply citing one anonymous source's information isn't enough. In fact, it's usually irresponsible. Having worked with people in many agencies at the local, state, and federal levels (FBI, DEA, IRS, Customs, CIA), my knowledge of such matters is considerable. Hearing a rumor and then sharing it via email isn't verification. It doesn't make the information factual or true.
Back to this rumor about Leach wanting Ball as his DC or "co-DC." Is it likely that Leach and Ball were in the same room shortly after Leach's arrival? He met with Wulff's staff, so that's not much of a stretch. But Leach moved very quickly in assembling his new staff. If Ball received any consideration, it likely was very fleeting.

 

[CougEd]

95...I suppose I need to be more careful in my writing and reading

First, did you notice I never responded to your initial post, I had zero problem with you believing it whether fact or rumor.

I will take responsibility for any deficiencies in my writing and reading. Maybe I missed it, but after what I thought was a very innocent headline to a thread, (and it had to do with the plight of a coach choosing the wrong door) I am not sure I argued the thread as fact. (I know the person who told me is ultra reliable) but if you reread the posts with Yaki and Dgib I said I wasn't going to reveal the sources. You can either believe me or not. I don't remember arguing that point, but the mere fact Yaki tells me to shut up unless I reveal a "source".

What I saw was 1990 say it never happened, I asked the question why he believed that. (just as people could appropriately say how do I know) When Yaki told me to put up or shut up, close the orifice I think was probably the correct depiction, I simply told him I wasn't going to divulge how I knew what I know and posted. (or if it suits everyone, what I think I know and what I posted.

I also saw a post about an obsession, which I responded to, one about ulterior motives for the post, which I responded to. It wasn't until you pointed it out that you feel without proof it is rumor, and I am willing to accept that. (I didn't use the word fact until my response to you earlier this Am after you told me your position) And if you wanted proof I would have zero problem providing you with it offsite if you felt it was that important. But I appreciate your approach because my sense is you really don't care if it is truth or rumor.

So the moral of the story, I post what I heard from an extremely reliable person. I stated Ball was offered a position on the staff. From that point forward I simply said I wasn't going to divulge who told me it. If Yaki wants to call it a unfounded rumor on Cfan and by me, I am more than OK with it. But I won't reveal where or how I heard it.

 

[Coug1990]

Re: Fab...Being coy? I thought I was pretty succinct

Maybe I am missing something. The BX story never said that Ball was offered the job.

 

[CougEd]

No...you are not missing anything

except there is one small inaccuracy in that story.

This post was edited on 12/31 7:14 PM by CougEd

 

[Cougatron]

What is this Wulff staff bs?

When Leach came in he made it clear he was bringing his own staff.

Ball wasn't offered anything. Salavae was brought in, Volero came from Key West, Choate was a friend of Russell's and Leach was looking for a DC presumably it was his old player that works with the Jets under Rex Ryan. When that didn't work out he went with Breske who was highly respected for his creative blitzes

Ball like everyone else on Wulff's staff was told thanks but no thanks.

Stop spreading horsesh*t mr. Ed

 

[CougEd]

Tron...let me ask you this...if you were to make a bet....

and I said you have to put the money up ahead of time, and it had to be substantial, and it had to real really hurt if you lost what would you be willing to bet and the winnings go to the athletic department if I can prove to you it happened or you can prove that it didn't. What would you be willing to wager? The house?

 

[Cougatron]

CougEd you are totally full of crap and I'll show you that you are full of crap.

From the Daily Evergreen.

WSU Athletic Director Bill Moos said Leach is expected to hire an entirely new assistant coaching staff and keep two of Wulff's assistant coaches to oversee the transition.


Mike Leach introduced 12/6

December 14th - Graham Hired

December 16th Chris Ball is announced as co-DC for ASU.


Leach wasn't interested in retaining Ball at all. Not one bit. If he had offered Ball you know he would have taken it because it was a lot more money. ALl six made more than Ball did at WSU as a DC.

The reality was ball and the rest of the wulff staff was told thank you but we are bringing our own guys in. Ball was told hey if you want to hang around with the transition you can but you won't be the DC. Then Graham got hired and Ball got the job there. That's the truth.

So please stop with all this Wulff staff BS. You look like a damn idiot every single time you post on here Ed. you have ZERO credibility.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by Cougatron:
CougEd you are totally full of crap and I'll show you that you are full of crap.

From the Daily Evergreen.

WSU Athletic Director Bill Moos said Leach is expected to hire an entirely new assistant coaching staff and keep two of Wulff's assistant coaches to oversee the transition.


Mike Leach introduced 12/6

December 14th - Graham Hired

December 16th Chris Ball is announced as co-DC for ASU.


Leach wasn't interested in retaining Ball at all. Not one bit. If he had offered Ball you know he would have taken it because it was a lot more money. ALl six made more than Ball did at WSU as a DC.

The reality was ball and the rest of the wulff staff was told thank you but we are bringing our own guys in. Ball was told hey if you want to hang around with the transition you can but you won't be the DC. Then Graham got hired and Ball got the job there. That's the truth.

So please stop with all this Wulff staff BS. You look like a damn idiot every single time you post on here Ed. you have ZERO credibility.

Honestly, unless Leach himself told Ed, we do not know the truth. Maybe someone told Ed that Ball was offered the job. Maybe that person was wrong. Maybe the person who told Ed was just exaggerating. Maybe the person heard something and extrapolated. Maybe the person who told Ed heard it from Ball himself and Ball was mistaken that Leach actually offered him the job.

As I said, unless Leach tells us specifically, I would not put too much into this.

 

[CougEd]

Tron...you mean a guy can't be hired within ten days? Did you

read Brand x's article? The article claims Ball strung him along. That is precisely what was told to me. The inaccuracy is about Leach making a courtesy call this year to gauge his interest. I could see Ball calling him, but once Ball said no in 2011 I doubt Leach's personality would be one that says I will take you back now.

 

[froropmkr72]

Re: Tron...you mean a guy can't be hired within ten days? Did you

Originally posted by CougEd:
read Brand x's article? The article claims Ball strung him along. That is precisely what was told to me. The inaccuracy is about Leach making a courtesy call this year to gauge his interest. I could see Ball calling him, but once Ball said no in 2011 I doubt Leach's personality would be one that says I will take you back now.

You can picture Leach secretly desiring Ball over all other viable candidates and unable to pull the trigger because that would somehow vindicate Ball or in some abstract way.....the previous coaching staff?? That's a good one and I'm LMAO. CML vindicated PW by saying ...and I quote from a radio interview....."Paul Wulff was a good coach too....ya know?". End of story. He....CML ended THIS divisiveness a long time ago. The divisiveness he doesn't even care to address is what's truly at stake for the program in the long term.