Looks like Leach has sanctioned media for reporting Marks injuury
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Jeezus Flatland. Take a couple plays off.
I get your point, but mentioning Jerry Sandusky is about the most inflammatory way you could try to make it.
I get your point, but mentioning Jerry Sandusky is about the most inflammatory way you could try to make it.
We all know what happened to Hitler once WWII got away from him...
(that's a lesson in hyperbole...you're welcome).
lol…. holy crap I think I pee'ed my pants, laughing so hard.
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No kidding. Oh but comparing CML to Jerry Sandusky was right on target. You go Flatland.....
Yeah, you're totally right. Equally bad, at the least.
Don't know how I missed including that, as well?
Bottom line? Very effed up post from Flat, in my opinion.
Somebody needs to return Flat to his padded cell (and just when it seemed like the new meds were working for him... ).
Flat's post has a certain spongesque quality to it. The hinges popped off in that one.
I'm sure you're not suggesting that the President of the university violated the Constitution, or maybe you are.
My comments about Leach and his flaws have nothing to do with keeping reporters from practice for one day. My comments are based on nearly 20 years of his actions. Leach is a great coach with a great mind, but he does things and says things that "normal" people don't do. It's not a big deal but at the same time, there will likely come a day when he leaves WSU on a sour note.
I don't say that because I hate him......because I don't. It's just the most likely result for a guy like Leach. It's already happened once to him and it will probably happen again.
Again, I respect everything that Leach has done and hope that he has a long and storied career at WSU. I just wish that he wasn't belligerent and crazy in his dealings with the press and others at times.
Leach isn't keeping reporters from practice. They are there, they can report on whatever they darn well please. They just won't be speaking to any coaches or players to get token quotes to add to their pieces.
I guess that passes as "belligerent and crazy" to you?
But here's the juxtaposition of your statement. You comment both here and prior that, "It's not a big deal…". But before you were making the analogy of spousal abuse, the Penn State Abuse Scandal, etc.. So that's a big deal, Flat. A very big deal. One of the worst analogies I could possibly imagine. You've elevated a minor "thing" to something worthy of the death penalty, to many. I personally believe Sandusky should not be walking among the living. So you've elevated this to a very extreme level... Let alone someone that hits women… They are worthy of the worst beating of their lives, once a week, until they don't have teeth left. Then kick 'em until they taste their own gonades. And to be clear, this is my normal perspective of these heinous acts. This is not hyperbole, for me.
Sexual abuse and spousal abuse has some sort of analogous value to CML not doing interviews for a day. Wow.
Even if you're backing out of these analogies, I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not doing interviews for a day is "belligerent" and "crazy"? Or are you trying to insert some other instance into the conversation? If so, you are not being clear, in any way. This situation is about no interviews for a day. Presumably because a reporter went too far.
Anyways, to each their own but I don't even see this situation as "belligerent" or "crazy", as you put it. It's his rules and a reporter crossed a line so he did what he's always done. So when an action can easily be forecast… when we ALL know this will happen and this will be the outcome… All day, every day, 365… and that's crazy and belligerent? I just plain disagree. Easiest thing to avoid. CML wasn't yelling, he wasn't being "mean" in any way. Clear lines have been in place and it was crossed. No drama, no biggie. One action equates to another, a reaction.
A Modest Proposal. (Tip of the hat toward Jonathon Swift.) Why don't we have Moos meet with the media folks prior to camp and gently set some rules? "Look, guys, many schools are closing practice to the media but we are going to continue to allow your presence. Just a few rules though. No reporting on plays or injuries." Let Moos do it. Leach's interaction with the media tends to veer into a confrontational state with regularity. If Moos can sweet talk donors out of their money then he may be able to convince these media people to draw back a little. Reporters will be informed or reminded of the limitations. Any violation would result in that particular individual being temporarily banned. Just a suggestion. Might help eliminate these recurrent squabbles with journalists.
I see the whole commotion rather silly and petty. Most of the media already know Leach's attitude towards public knowledge of injuries yet some seem unable to stop themselves from doing it anyway. Leach won't admit any ailments or dings despite the fact that our next game is almost a month away. Tempest in a teapot.
As for comments about CML acting like a jerk- forget it. Many schools have closed practices and some have lap dogs for reporting. Recall reading somewhere that Petersen would deny access to any journalist in Boise reporting on any off field shenanigans by his players.
I cannot see CML's behavior as remarkably out of line with that of many, if not most, of his peers. Yet somehow he gets entangled in a turmoil with the media over this issue. Let Moos set the parameters and deal with it. HIs personality is better suited for that then Leach's. Let him take the heat and leave Mike alone to coach.
I see the whole commotion rather silly and petty. Most of the media already know Leach's attitude towards public knowledge of injuries yet some seem unable to stop themselves from doing it anyway. Leach won't admit any ailments or dings despite the fact that our next game is almost a month away. Tempest in a teapot.
As for comments about CML acting like a jerk- forget it. Many schools have closed practices and some have lap dogs for reporting. Recall reading somewhere that Petersen would deny access to any journalist in Boise reporting on any off field shenanigans by his players.
I cannot see CML's behavior as remarkably out of line with that of many, if not most, of his peers. Yet somehow he gets entangled in a turmoil with the media over this issue. Let Moos set the parameters and deal with it. HIs personality is better suited for that then Leach's. Let him take the heat and leave Mike alone to coach.
Well, something sure as heck opened your floodgates of hyperbole. Playing the Sandusky/sex abuser/spouse abuser card was quite sad. And now you're trying to prance away from it in some kind of Trumpian maneuver.
In the context of sports overall, the cult of personality that leads to a two page thread defending a coach who is known to be a different kind of cat is what I was referring to with the battered wife syndrome and mentioning Penn State. It's the people trying to defend football players that get into fights that end with broken jaws. It's where fans will tolerate unusual and otherwise intolerable behavior in pursuit of that elusive victory.
Here locally, Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall has been suspended by the university because he got into a tussle with the officials at an exhibition game in Canada. There will be some fans that think that a coach shouldn't be punished for sticking up for their players. Kudos for Wichita State for deciding that making an example of their star coach is a good way to provide a teaching moment to the players. Honestly, Marshall is the kind of guy who probably looked at the tape later and realized that he was out of line and suggested it.
The point being is that all of us are flawed in our own ways. Leach is flawed in his own ways. Blindly ignoring those flaws is not healthy for a university or a coach. As I've said before, Leach's core nature is why it was inevitable that Tech was going to fire him.
Just close practice. Make players and coaches available once a week for interviews like during the regular season. Real simple.
Why can't Leach just be..... Leach?
I'm so sick of people being like "Oh LOOK at his FLAWS", hes needs to change!
Why change? I am me, you are you, and that is perfectly fine. If you come into Leach's domain, he sets the rules (as long as the university is okay with them, obvi). You don't like the rules? Leave.
Just stop the whining though.... Hell, there are tons of things I find subjectively flawed with my family friends and coworkers, but I would never, ever whine to the level that people whine about Leach.
Let him be him. It is perfectly okay.
I'm so sick of people being like "Oh LOOK at his FLAWS", hes needs to change!
Why change? I am me, you are you, and that is perfectly fine. If you come into Leach's domain, he sets the rules (as long as the university is okay with them, obvi). You don't like the rules? Leave.
Just stop the whining though.... Hell, there are tons of things I find subjectively flawed with my family friends and coworkers, but I would never, ever whine to the level that people whine about Leach.
Let him be him. It is perfectly okay.
Bottom line here is that all of the beat reporters know the rules. They aren't privileged to information about injuries, they certainly don't have a right to it.
Stephanie pushed the boundary really hard, and did so in a way in an attempt to make the same point others have tried to make for last few years. She headlined the hell out of Gabe's apparent injury, and reposted it a number of times, asked the Coach directly about it on camera, and then posted that video with a subtly snarky tweet about not being given a direct answer.
This is the result. Thorpe learned the hard way that our coach cares very little what perception reporters have of him or how they choose to portray that perception in their work, and he's better off for it. It's unfortunate for those other writers who get the rules that they had to suffer for one whole day of no access to players, but really...let's make this a BFD 3 weeks before the season starts instead of focusing on this really good team we have before us.
Stephanie pushed the boundary really hard, and did so in a way in an attempt to make the same point others have tried to make for last few years. She headlined the hell out of Gabe's apparent injury, and reposted it a number of times, asked the Coach directly about it on camera, and then posted that video with a subtly snarky tweet about not being given a direct answer.
This is the result. Thorpe learned the hard way that our coach cares very little what perception reporters have of him or how they choose to portray that perception in their work, and he's better off for it. It's unfortunate for those other writers who get the rules that they had to suffer for one whole day of no access to players, but really...let's make this a BFD 3 weeks before the season starts instead of focusing on this really good team we have before us.
1) Your horrible, horrible choice of analogies will continue to make threads go 2 pages long, then. There are ways to express your perspective without exacerbating and intentionally elevating the hyperbole of the topic at hand. We've all done it (or maybe just me
) but you are "holding" on the pattern.2) We all have flaws. No one is ignoring CML's flaws. You are just perceiving them as bigger than I and others. You are placing yourself in a "drama" position. You're the drama queen. A bee flies by your nose and you're the person that starts screaming.
3) Regarding your Wichita State Coach being suspended… I guess it depends on the definition of "tussle" but if CML ever put hands on a ref, I'd probably say he'd be lucky if it was just a fine he'd get. And I'd be OK with that. If he was suspended, I'd be OK with it. Ithink this is another bad analogy. I'd wager most Cougs would completely understand if there was a tussle between CML and a ref. You just aren't making sense.
If he doesn't bring up the name of Sandusky, but simply says Don James and Joe Paterno are two classic example of what happens when the head coach has sole autonomy of essentially the entire athletic program. There are very few examples I can think of where the head coach had such authority and it ended well. It tends to create a culture where there are no checks or balances.
I don't care if he doesn't want to discuss Marks injury. I didn't care it wasn't disclosed Falk had a busted pinky all of last year. The problem for me and others is the cavalier attitude in which he dealt with Luke's concussion. I get he doesn't want to discuss injuries, but there is a threshold and I would because of what happened at Tech that there would be a lessoned learned.
Here is the ultimate question...I guess for everyone...where is the line? Where will it be for the new administration.
agreed. I think we live in an age where you have to make the media your friends....or at least friendly. They are just doing their job. Lane kiffin does make Leach look like the boy next door, imo. I suspect we will never see Leach actually run away from the media, as kiffin did.....lol
Ed, you've mentioned this a couple times now. CML got fired from Texas Tech because the Texas Tech Chancellor (and board) was not professional and did not deal with a situation professionally. Point blank. If they wanted to get rid of an employee, there are ways to do so, even if the person "rubs you wrong". Anything else is just plain wrong. I can have an employee I don't like, want to fire but I don't make $h!t up to do so. You are delving into Flat's world of bad, bad analogies.
Why don't you re-read (assuming that you read it the first time) whatever printed news you're referring to and post a link here.
The discussion about the line is well behind your pay grade and intellectual capacity. You're hopping on the crazy train of analogies to pedophilia.
There are many instances where a coach ended things just fine- Barry Alvarez, Bear Bryant, Bobby Bowden, Steve Spurrier, Tom Osborne are some I can name in 15 seconds. I'll even throw Bill Snyder on there, since he already has the stadium named after him.
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Why would they not deal with it in a professional manner? The guy won 10 games a year for them.
A good post and basically what UW did in their press conference that was linked earlier. There's a link on Brand X where Leach is listed as the #4th most hated coach by his peers. Much of that is based on jealousy but the video mentions his abrasive nature. Much like his friend Trump, there are often situations where Leach is just being a smart aleck and people take it the wrong way.
Can we start talking about Baynes and his new man bun now?
Get back in the bathroom, Loyal, and please shut and lock the door...
