I've waited for this day for such a long time. It's finally here. Mateer is the man, and I cannot wait to FINALY watch him play all 4 QTRS. He's going to CRUSH IT.
Mateer Fall Camp ~ 7/31
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He’s got some Minshew level swag to him.
Defense always wins the first stretch of camp. Even against offenses that are returning all American QBs. Iron sharpens iron. I wouldn’t worry too much about this.
Yeah and WSU's secondary, CB's like Hall, Jamori Colson, and Free Safety, Nickel, Dime DB's are some of the better, almost semi best WSU has had in a while, and they weren't getting the majority of reps in spring camp, practice, spring game, and are shining in fall camp against a offense that has 2 awesome QB's in Mateer, Eckhaus, but untried, first year starters, and only returning starting WR is Kyle Williams, and a stable of awesome WR's, but not starters, etc, and so because of that early on Jamori Colson, Hall is of course expected to semi dominate the offense, WR's, QB's, etc, at first, while the offense makes penalties, miscues, mistakes, missed blocks, broken routes, dropped balls, mis throws, etc.
That's not what Dickert, coaches, and players are saying. They are saying that both are starting good, that neither has outplayed the other, and that it is a DEAD HEAT TIE, TOUGH, CLOSE, ETC, competition, and that both are starter worthy, and both deserve, should be the starter so far.
Mateer has had the better, stronger arm, etc, and Zevi has done a just barely slightly better job running the offense, but struggles to throw ball downfield due to lack of arm strength, while Mateer has done better at both mobility, running, throwing downfield, and that the strengths, weaknesses, of both QB's have both offset, and complimented the other QB, and that because of that, it's about a dead heat, tie, with Mateer still being the presumptive favorite, just barely, to start, and with Mateer getting to work first with the 1's, first before Zevi then gets to work with the 1's. Because of that its Mateer's job to lose, just barely by skin of his teeth so far, and Zevi could after a tough battle take the starting job away.
I will go by those things said by Dickert, Coaches, players, etc, in public, on, in videos, etc, over your word that your friend who a player says differently.
And even if your player friend is saying that, I trust Dickert, and other coaches, players over that player that you know, or supposedly know.
i have never been all that impressed, hope I am wrong
Remember Cams first game against Idaho. Probably going to take a bit.
When's the last time there was this much message board dissension about a new Cougar QB? Anthony Gordon or maybe the Lobster?
There are posters like Loyal and others who adore Mateer, but then some who seem pretty confident he won't be the long-term answer
Good chance either way to see if Ben Arbuckle is indeed the quarterback whisperer
Mateer's been in the program for a while now, so I'm leery of the fact that he isn't taking control of the starting job. I've also heard that Zevi has outplayed him, but that of course could mean that Zevi is a solid player in his own right. My concerns with Mateer are with his ability to throw the ball with touch and his decision making. He's struggling in these areas again this Fall. I have no concerns with his toughness, leadership, and winningness to tuck the ball and run.
You may be right about John, but....
he's still going to produce better than:
JDL (issues both on and off the field).
CW (scrambling man).
Now...I thought Gary Rogers was going to be the next Bledsoe. I was wrong about Gary, and may be wrong about Mateer. Nobody knows, until we're in the midst of our G5 schedule.
Favorite of all time:
Anthony Gordon
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REmember Cam's 23rd game against Stanford. It took a long time.
The kid played 25 games for WSU. He had a pretty good game against Oregon in 2023 - minus the back-breaking pick 6. He was good for a half against OSU in 2024, and then pretty much disappeared until Colorado & Washington.
When we're here 10 years from now discussing (again) the all time great WSU QBs, nobody's going to remember Ward's name.
Come on, man. Aim higher. Gordon was a slightly better than average college QB. He put up numbers on a team that was purpose-built to put up QB numbers...but couldn't do it against any defense that was above average. And, my biggest criticism - he only used half of the field. Defenses knew they didn't have to worry about the left sideline, because he wasn't looking there. Only time anyone went up the left is if he hit them on a crossing route coming from the right and they found space.You may be right about John, but....
he's still going to produce better than:
JDL (issues both on and off the field).
CW (scrambling man).
Now...I thought Gary Rogers was going to be the next Bledsoe. I was wrong about Gary, and may be wrong about Mateer. Nobody knows, until we're in the midst of our G5 schedule.
Favorite of all time:
Anthony Gordon
Both of our QB's are capable. It seems obvious that they will take us as far as our O line performance will allow. At this moment I am optimistic that the O line is better than last year, and potentially the best we've had in a while. That remains to be seen. Probably the best observation I can offer is that we actually have a decent level of competition at the O line, QB and RB positions. It has been too long since I could say that.
Both QB's are solid. WSU has 2 starting QB worthy QB's competing for 1 starter job.
Mateer's strengths are his mobility, and able to throw on run, and throw downfield.
His weaknesses is lack of touch, and that he throws lasers at times, when he needs to put touch on ball. If WR Corp were experienced, they could handle catching Mateer's Lasers, instead of dropping them.
Zevi's strength is he runs the offense better, and has more touch, then Mateer.
Zevi's weakness is that he either struggles to, can't throw ball downfield, which will enable defenses to rush 4, drop 6 in a short zone, match up man to man zone coverage and only allow 3.5 yard pass completions, drops, no YAC, etc, because Zevi isn't a threat to throw downfield to stretch defense. Zevi's only counter to that, is to run the ball more via RB, WR, QB runs, to loosen up coverage a little, and to run 4 WR's, and 3 WR to one side, mesh, pick off, flood routes.
Both QB's strengths and weaknesses offset, compliment the other, so that because of that, it's pretty much a tied QB battle.
Whoever wins the QB battle, don't be surprised if the back up QB plays 85% of 1 Quarter per game, even in tighter, closer games, because of how good they both are, and to have the starter temporarily sit if struggling, and temporarily watch what the back up QB doing, so that starter can better see what defense is doing, etc.
He is going to crush it. What a stud - look at those arms. Can you imagine how often he gets laid?
I will remember his name. The guy who tried, but wasn't good enough.
Would anyone here really take him over Brink?
Brink didn’t have a strong arm, but was pretty reliable. I’d take his consistency over Ward’s up and down performances and poor decision making.
Brink had his flaws, but WSU would have went to a bowl game with him instead of Ward. The UCLA and Stanford losses were 100% on Ward and we win those games with just about anyone but him. To Ward's credit, he was great against OSU though. I think we take down ASU and Cal with Brink even though Ward didn't play all that poorly in those games. Pathetic defense was more of an issue in those games so it might not have mattered.
Another year should get the OL a notch better. The weakest schedule in the last 50 years and the enormous drop in talent they’ll compete against should get them two notches better. These things should help the unit be more competent and capable.
If the OL looks bad this year, not much else to say other than they’re bad.
OL - bad last year
RB - all new
QB - all new
WR - maybe 1 vet
TE - don’t think the position had a dozen grabs in a passing offense, that’s bad
How is the offense going to move the ball? They are all new starters or underwhelming vets. Coaches better bring their ‘A’ game.
Cam was a bad example. Point being it’s probably not going to show up in the first game. Or it will because it’s PSU and struggles may be against TT. Would be great to get a look at both of them against PSU, and if this season is going to be anything decent, probably should be the expectation that both of them will play. If we are in a dogfight in the 4th quarter it probably doesn’t matter.
PSU opening game should be a opening game audition for the starting QB job, if both of them are still tied in a dead heat QB battle. If that's the case, whoever does better, best vs PSU, defensive starters, early game when PSU defensive starters fresher, and whoever does best throughout the game and at end of game if semi semi closer, wins the starting job vs Texas Tech. And if the starter does well vs Texas Tech, then found the starter for the rest of season, and if Texas Tech game starter struggles badly, etc, then might reopen starting QB job competition, until a QB demonstrates that will do well against Texas Tech level defenses.
For most of the last 40 years, I'd agree with your future outlook. Problem is that the portal has made looking into the future almost impossible, since we don't know what players will still be here in 2025.
Or, since we don't really have a proven RB, we just put both Eckhaus and Mateer both on the field and we run the Wing T. Run or throw on every down, no matter who has the ball.
That's what most teams do.
I dunno, we did an awful lot of fumbling tooThat's what most teams do.
Loyal says if there’s not video of him doing it in his jock strap it didn’t happen.
Yer just jealous. Mateer would take me home for a night. So would Minshew. My dog wouldn't take you anywhere.
Part of that is how awesome Jamori Colson, Hall, Nickels, Dimes, Safeties, DB'S are doing, as this is probably one of the better, semi best secondary groups that WSU has had in years, a decade+, etc.
That said, IF there is no, less improvement, and if Mateer keeps throwing pics in practice, and if Zevi isn't throwing picks in practice, then Zevi should be the starter, despite not being able to throw downfield, as NOT shooting oneself, the team, etc, in the foot, with bad decisions, picks, INT's, turnovers, etc, is extremely important, and the most important thing on offense.
I don’t care if you’ve got a bunch of prime deions out there you don’t want your starting QB throwing pick after pick in practice. Could be that Mateer is just a wildcat QB and can’t play from the pocket. Gives you a good idea why they went out one grabbed Zevi and why he came to Pullman.
Or they’ve figured out WSU’s OL was less than stellar last year and he was running for his life constantly.
Remember how good JDL was going to be at Arizona and how they got a lot better when he wasn't their QB?
Good for Ward if he ends up playing well at Miami but it won't surprise me if he doesn't.
You never know, a good OLine and solid running game can do wonders for a QB. UCLA broke Ward, he was never the same after that game, and didn’t trust his line at all.
