The problem is that" gutted "back 7 for LSU are all elite players and include NFL players in it. They dont rebuild they reload.
The team they had on the field is loaded.
Mississippi St. looks great
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The team they had on the field is loaded.
They have no idea what SEC athletes and speed are in comparison to Cal and UW. That DC Leach hired is very good.
LSU will lose at least 3 games this season. The secondary players they had yesterday are deep backups, and MSU has an elite passing offense. LSUs QB wouldn’t start for 3/4 of the P12.
Their deep backups are two 5 stars and a 4 star in the secondary. They were missing Stingley but still playing 2 if not 3 future nfl players.
Their qb is a 4 star who threw for 345 yards.
I am not sure if you understand how much talent LSU has on their roster. Their last 5 recruiting classes are like 4, 5, 6, 2 , 15
LSU at home would beat every pac 12 team by 20+ points.
Leach has been running the same offense for 19 years. If he has even similar talent to the teams hes playing, they dont "figure it out"
LSU has ballerzzz.... The prob with LSU isnt player talent. It’s coaching talent.
LSU could make a run at the national title every year if they got the best 25 high school players in Louisiana every year.
I know. That could be every year. From however long ago into however far ahead in the future.
The only UW team that would have given this MSU team a game was the 2016 team. NFL talent. Cal had a bunch of players that could not even make it through NFL training camps. Wilcox does a great job of coaching up players but his defense would have been overwhelmed by the size and speed of MSU.
What people do not understand is Lake and Wilcox could play WSU the way they did and it was effective was because WSU did not have receivers that could get run after catch (RAC) . Costello got credited for over 600 yards passing yesterday and over 200 of that was RAC. WSU simply did not have that kind of talent to get that.
The other way to look at it is there was probably only a couple of players on any WSU team the last 3 years that would crack MSU's 2 deep on offense. Not talking down WSU per se it is just the realities of actually having NFL type players as opposed to try hard overachievers.
Exactly
I wanted Leach to get the Tennessee job at the time because I knew if he ever had a sec sized budget with 4 and 5 star talent he would be a terror
at Tech he was beating those big budget heavily talented teams with a small budget and far less talent
at WSU he was doing the same thing with possibly the smallest budget in P5 and far less talent than Oregon USC and UW
he was putting together good seasons with rubber bands and glue
let’s see what happens when he has enough money to maintain a staff and recruiting. When he has a defense that can get a stop with a good dc and sec athletes
His offense right now With nfl skill position players is going to be very difficult to slow down
look at the receivers he has coming in nabors Knox and the qb sawyer
I think you are under rating the coaching of Cal and uw’s schemes against WSU. Those two staffs are the only ones to really make life tough for Leach.
I think you are over rating the talent at MSU.
It will be interesting to see going forward how defenses play the air raid.
BYU laid out the blue print that every team on WSU’s schedule used. Rush 3, drop 8, make the qb throw thru the bodies, take away the deep ball and screens, do nothing to stop the run cause Leach stops the run for you.
LSU lined up with 4 DL and blitzed. It was like they didnt watch any film of WSU the last 9 years and did whatever they wanted. They learned a tough lesson. What MSU did to LSU was what I had a hunch would happen if Leach’s scheme had a team rush 4.
We will see what happens this week. The same way BYU laid out the blue print of what TO do.... LSU just put on film what NOT to do.
The point is if one team has a huge talent advantage it’s much easier to scheme. If the talent is equal your scheme will be much more difficult.
nfl d lineman vs 2 star o line can break down the offensive scheme to the point where you can cheat with dB coverage. That will not work if the talent gap is even halfway close
nfl d lineman vs 2 star o line can break down the offensive scheme to the point where you can cheat with dB coverage. That will not work if the talent gap is even halfway close
EWU and Portland State beat WSU with less talent, less $, less scholarship athletes.
Colorado State, Air Force, nowhere near the talent that WSU had with Leach. Still won.
If you wanna beat Leach you dont need to have more talent. In fact, you can have significantly less talent.
You beat Leach with coaching. LSU may have had good coaches last year. Those guys are gone.
Not only would that not generate a pass rush with MSU o line but k hill would eat you alive
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If you think there needs to be a pass rush to beat Leach you have no clue what you are talking about. None.
Ok if you say so
pass rush is not necessary
you’re too smart for me
no idea how leach still has a job
mail your scheme to Arkansas this week
pass rush is not necessary
you’re too smart for me
no idea how leach still has a job
mail your scheme to Arkansas this week
I’ve watched Leach since his first game at tech
you really dont know what you are talking about
I think in the future most WSU fans will realize what leach accomplished. I doubt you ever catch on
Cal and UWs defensive schemes shut the "air raid" down. In the last six games against them(3 each) we, i.e. the "air raid," couldn't score more them 20 pts. We didn't score 20 pts in a game against the UW during the entire Chris Petersen era. What DC with half a brain isn't going to look at how they did it? Man, you are as thick as two short planks.
If you have watched Leach since he was at TT you havent learned a thing haha!!!
I know exactly what Leach accomplished. I know exactly what Leach pissed away.
You are no Coug fan and dont know a damn thing about WSU.
Do you think those defenses could shut this miss state offense down in the same manner ?
If not what is the difference ?
The DC at LSU didnt watch any of those games. If he did, he is as thick as two short planks.
It's not and never has been rocket science or magical powers. If the defense has the personnel to control the LOS and get pressure with 3 or 4, it's going to be tough. Meaning Leach's offense must inch downfield and execute drive after drive and play after play. No penalties, no turnovers, no sacks, no dropped passes, etc. Arizona tried the same approach, but didn't have the talent. uw and to some extent Cal, did have the talent.
Controlling the LOS with 3 or 4 guys will shutdown every offense.
i have no idea what lit your fuse in this thread, but I’m confident that you’ll be here after every WSU loss to remind us how awful we are and that we’ll never be good again.
They wouldn't and people who do not understand RAC will never get that point. I hate this discussion because unlike some posters here I really like how WSU overperformed over the years. However the point is Lake could basically play a 2 deep prevent defense with DB's that were NFL talent and a get pass rush with other future NFL players and shut down an offense built on execution by 3 star players.
The reason outside of football naïve Pacific NW , Lake is not recognized as some guru among the college coaching community ( of which I personally know a few) is everyone without a vested interest could see that talent differential.
Lake tries that same prevent defense against MSU this year and guys like Hill, Shavers etc. would boat race them.
WSU never had big receivers and big backs with that type of speed.
great post
also LSU got some sacks but they could not stop Costello with a four man rush. Miss State has a sec level o line Nobody is controlling them with a 3 man rush.
That would get eaten alive.
Shavers is 6-6 4 star Alabama transfer who can run. He and the other 6-5 wide reciever Osirus Mitchell are nightmares. K Hill will be a first round draft pick.
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Bump this and I won't belabor the point anymore. But in the film breakdown today , LSU coaches calculated MSU receivers had 383 yards after the catch on Saturday. If people can not see how this is different from the WSU receiver skill set and why Lake could not get away with a prevent defense against MSU I can not help you any further. If Lake played this MSU team to same way he did WSU, Kylin Hill might go off for 400 all purpose yards all by himself.
Arkansas board is discussing this now
Miss State defense held LSU to 80 yards on 38 carries rushing.
That stat is also something new and doesn’t bode well for opponents
Arnett runs a 3-3-5 which was run years ago there by Joe Lee Dunn
leach has never had any team with the luxury of a good defense that is tough to run on
Miss State defense held LSU to 80 yards on 38 carries rushing.
That stat is also something new and doesn’t bode well for opponents
Arnett runs a 3-3-5 which was run years ago there by Joe Lee Dunn
leach has never had any team with the luxury of a good defense that is tough to run on
So now we know that you are some ultra-conservative hayseed from West Texas who fell in love with Leach while he was at Tech. You aren't a WSU fan, you're just some troll who's lurked in the shadows since the end of last season just hoping to get the chance to whip your dick out and shake it in everybody's face. I've met several Tech fans and generally, they are good people, but you obviously are a good example of the bad part of their fanbase.
Why don't you go back to the Tech, MSU for Fox and Friends message boards and circle jerk with your friends? I don't really care how Leach does at MSU but dickheads like you make me want to root for his failure.
Leach has also never had the opportunity to take on a team with 17 new starters in their first game. Let the season play out before you hand Leach the title.
you really sound unhinged
anyone who expressed any thought that Leach might succeed at Miss State was shouted down by you in a rage, for months.
Suck it up buttercup.
Farm...how do you explain UW rushing three and not sure UW gave up more than 20 in the last seven years. If you believe pass rush against Leach (not talking other offenses) is the primary ingredient, why did WSU struggle in their opener against BYU and not come close to scoring what MSU, not even half or 1/4 . Why struggles against Cal and UW, why success against USC and Oregon?
Three teams that I watched shutdown the air raid, make the QB indecisive was BYU (dropped 8), UW (dropped 8), and Cal (dropped 8).
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Yes I do....you don't let the air raid go over the top as easy as they did. You make them ctach a 5 yard \slant and just pound them. Make them go 8 yards.
I am stoked for MSU and Leach and I hope they can keep upsetting their way through the SECW. Exciting to see the new blood Air Raid working its way through that conference.
I don't expect it, but hey, I also didn't expect KJ Costello to TORCH the defending champions in one of the hardest-to-play environments in CFB, or to hang dozens of points. By rights it should have been a disaster and it wasn't. Still, he opened WSU with the ugly BYU loss and closed it with the embarrassing Air Force loss, so this thing ain't over.
That's why it's so silly to see so many folks here are declaring victory for their "side." Was it over when BYU pimp-slapped us in Game #1 (or when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor)? Leach coached 102 games at WSU. If he does the same at MSU, he is less than 1% of the way through his tenure.
PS I do think he is upwardly mobile and would take a bigger job as early as 2-3 years from now, but I also believe the pressure of getting closer to FL is off. He is now a few hours by private plane from the Keys. It ain't Pullman.
I don't expect it, but hey, I also didn't expect KJ Costello to TORCH the defending champions in one of the hardest-to-play environments in CFB, or to hang dozens of points. By rights it should have been a disaster and it wasn't. Still, he opened WSU with the ugly BYU loss and closed it with the embarrassing Air Force loss, so this thing ain't over.
That's why it's so silly to see so many folks here are declaring victory for their "side." Was it over when BYU pimp-slapped us in Game #1 (or when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor)? Leach coached 102 games at WSU. If he does the same at MSU, he is less than 1% of the way through his tenure.
PS I do think he is upwardly mobile and would take a bigger job as early as 2-3 years from now, but I also believe the pressure of getting closer to FL is off. He is now a few hours by private plane from the Keys. It ain't Pullman.
Unhinged? Rage? You are one weird, obsessive, crazy little cookie. You said earlier that you were going to find my posts saying that Leach would only win 3 games. How's that little delusional trip working out for you? You are as full of sh!t as the fertilizer that you dump on your fields.
