Mississippi St. looks great
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Keep back pedaling? I'm waiting for you to find all those posts that you think happened? Based on your posts about being a fan of Leach in his first game at Tech, it appears that you're a delusional twat from Texas lurking on the board of a team that you don't support. You are a prime example of the most embarrassing kind of person that taints the internet. I don't need to back pedal from you. I'm just waiting to see you prove anything other than the fact that you are equivalent to stained carpet after someone's pet had an accident.
You can deny all you want, that fits your character.
The fact is you pissed and moaned that there was no way Leach could win more than 6 games at MSU. Thats 3 conference games. Well, hes 1-0 and likely 2-0 after Saturday.
I think you are looking at a heaping plate of crow.
The fact is you pissed and moaned that there was no way Leach could win more than 6 games at MSU. Thats 3 conference games. Well, hes 1-0 and likely 2-0 after Saturday.
I think you are looking at a heaping plate of crow.
Find me that plate of crow. I never said this crap that you are throwing out there. Find it....or go back to Lubbock.
You were the one that said you were going to find all the posts I made. Step up your game, you pathetic little troll.
His Cougar teams were sometimes tough and excited to play. Minus the first game of the season, the Apple Cup, and the bowl game. Still some really good mid-season memories, and a good system to equalize a lack of talent. With the transfer portal, he can ride this 5th year grad-student QB transfer trend for a long, long way.
Rushing three only works if you can get pressure. No offense in the country is going to have success if their 5 can't whip the other teams 3.
Almost all sides, people have both good and bad points here, and reasons, both legit, not legit for those points.
Ed, Biggs, etc:
This may sound contradictory. But this is both a complex, and simple thing.
IF all things are equal, a rush 3, drop 8 into 2 mid, and Deep Zones, defending the Middle, 5 yards per catch, etc, can, does USUALLY beat a MIKE LEACH AIR RAID.
The thing is tho, THINGS ARENT ALWAYS EQUAL.
The reason why UW, and Cal, BYU, was able to rush 3, drop 8, shut down WSU Mike Leach Air Raid, is because they HAD 3 NFL ESQUE DT's DESTROYING WSU's OL, letting them drop 8 into pass coverage.
AND Mike Leach an or the QB was not either running as QB an or not handing ball off.
While that worked against WSU, that wont work against MSU.
UW, CAL, BYU would NOT be able to rush 3, drop 8 vs MSU. MSU's OL would kill the 3 rushers, D Line, the QB would have ALL DAY TO THROW, and K Hill would either do hand offs, swing passes, screens, shovel passes, etc, and get BIG TIME YARDS vs that 3 man front.
The exception is UW 1,2 years could have shut down a MSU Mike Leach Air Raid.
Now SEC defenses are better then UW, Cal, so they might or might not be able to shut down a MSU Mike Leach Air Raid by rushing 3, dropping 8 back.
But even if they did do that, they woukdnt be successful doing that most to almost all the time.
Sometimes they would succeed, sometimes fail.
But even if it would fail, you have to at least try to rush 3, Drop 8.
If I was the DC. On 1st down I would rush 4, nickel, dime package, drop 7 back. On 2nd and mid to short, same. 2nd and long, rush 3, drop 8 back, nickel or dime package. 3rd and short, rush 4, nickel package. 3rd and long, rush 3, drop 8, dime package.
I would have a BUCK LB, that play both DL, LB, and have him try to read the offense, and have him either rush, blitz, or stop the run, or drop back into mid zone pass coverage.
Also while its easy to say rush 3, drop 8, thats harder to do without the right personel.
And the right personel to stop the Air Raid isnt always the right personel to stop everyone else.
The SEC defenses dont just have the Air Raid to stop, they have to stop everyone else.
Because of that, and Because MSU is better then WSU, has better OL, QB, RB, WR, etc, then WSU, then MSU will beat some to most SEC defenses that rush 3, drop 8.
That said, the SEC defenses should at least try to rush 3, drop 8.
Pingdude, Chip:
Sure RAC, YAC, is a BIG part of it.
But dont forget EASOP WINSTON was making lots of YAC, RAC, and had that 89 YAC, RAC, TD, made 2,3,4 Utah defenders miss.
The reason why WSU didnt have as good of RAC, YAC, was not the receivers. WSU receiving Corp was rated one of the top 5 to top 10 in entire nation pre season, and for good reason.
Reason for low RAC, YAC:
1. Gordon didnt pass left.
2. Gordon would lock onto target, not look off target, then return, throw.
3. Gordon had his favorite targets.
4. Gordon didnt do as many shovel passes, swing passes, screens, etc.
5. UW, CAL, with only 3 Rushers were able to get heat on, sack, rush Gordon
6. Because of above, Gordon often didnt hit receiver in stride.
7. Because of that Gordon left WR's open to getting immediatly hit, stopped, right after catch, for little to no YAC, AGAINST UW, CAL, BYU, etc.
MSU isnt likely to have those problems.
So yes, YAC, RAC, is a LOT of it, but there are other reasons besides YAC.
Farmer:
Even tho a lot of the points your making are good.
Your doing it in the wrong way.
I dont think, buy the BS others are saying about you.
I think you actually think Flat, others have said, and done, what you accuse them of thinking, saying; doing.
And I think you are just trying to call them out for it.
But your methodology is wrong.
Your being highly confrontational., insulting, flaming, etc.
We have enough of that here with or without you.
A lot of what you say is good.
But your methodology is bad.
Try being less arrogant. Try less flaming.
Just nicely say the good points you make, and nicely explain.
Ed, Biggs, etc:
This may sound contradictory. But this is both a complex, and simple thing.
IF all things are equal, a rush 3, drop 8 into 2 mid, and Deep Zones, defending the Middle, 5 yards per catch, etc, can, does USUALLY beat a MIKE LEACH AIR RAID.
The thing is tho, THINGS ARENT ALWAYS EQUAL.
The reason why UW, and Cal, BYU, was able to rush 3, drop 8, shut down WSU Mike Leach Air Raid, is because they HAD 3 NFL ESQUE DT's DESTROYING WSU's OL, letting them drop 8 into pass coverage.
AND Mike Leach an or the QB was not either running as QB an or not handing ball off.
While that worked against WSU, that wont work against MSU.
UW, CAL, BYU would NOT be able to rush 3, drop 8 vs MSU. MSU's OL would kill the 3 rushers, D Line, the QB would have ALL DAY TO THROW, and K Hill would either do hand offs, swing passes, screens, shovel passes, etc, and get BIG TIME YARDS vs that 3 man front.
The exception is UW 1,2 years could have shut down a MSU Mike Leach Air Raid.
Now SEC defenses are better then UW, Cal, so they might or might not be able to shut down a MSU Mike Leach Air Raid by rushing 3, dropping 8 back.
But even if they did do that, they woukdnt be successful doing that most to almost all the time.
Sometimes they would succeed, sometimes fail.
But even if it would fail, you have to at least try to rush 3, Drop 8.
If I was the DC. On 1st down I would rush 4, nickel, dime package, drop 7 back. On 2nd and mid to short, same. 2nd and long, rush 3, drop 8 back, nickel or dime package. 3rd and short, rush 4, nickel package. 3rd and long, rush 3, drop 8, dime package.
I would have a BUCK LB, that play both DL, LB, and have him try to read the offense, and have him either rush, blitz, or stop the run, or drop back into mid zone pass coverage.
Also while its easy to say rush 3, drop 8, thats harder to do without the right personel.
And the right personel to stop the Air Raid isnt always the right personel to stop everyone else.
The SEC defenses dont just have the Air Raid to stop, they have to stop everyone else.
Because of that, and Because MSU is better then WSU, has better OL, QB, RB, WR, etc, then WSU, then MSU will beat some to most SEC defenses that rush 3, drop 8.
That said, the SEC defenses should at least try to rush 3, drop 8.
Pingdude, Chip:
Sure RAC, YAC, is a BIG part of it.
But dont forget EASOP WINSTON was making lots of YAC, RAC, and had that 89 YAC, RAC, TD, made 2,3,4 Utah defenders miss.
The reason why WSU didnt have as good of RAC, YAC, was not the receivers. WSU receiving Corp was rated one of the top 5 to top 10 in entire nation pre season, and for good reason.
Reason for low RAC, YAC:
1. Gordon didnt pass left.
2. Gordon would lock onto target, not look off target, then return, throw.
3. Gordon had his favorite targets.
4. Gordon didnt do as many shovel passes, swing passes, screens, etc.
5. UW, CAL, with only 3 Rushers were able to get heat on, sack, rush Gordon
6. Because of above, Gordon often didnt hit receiver in stride.
7. Because of that Gordon left WR's open to getting immediatly hit, stopped, right after catch, for little to no YAC, AGAINST UW, CAL, BYU, etc.
MSU isnt likely to have those problems.
So yes, YAC, RAC, is a LOT of it, but there are other reasons besides YAC.
Farmer:
Even tho a lot of the points your making are good.
Your doing it in the wrong way.
I dont think, buy the BS others are saying about you.
I think you actually think Flat, others have said, and done, what you accuse them of thinking, saying; doing.
And I think you are just trying to call them out for it.
But your methodology is wrong.
Your being highly confrontational., insulting, flaming, etc.
We have enough of that here with or without you.
A lot of what you say is good.
But your methodology is bad.
Try being less arrogant. Try less flaming.
Just nicely say the good points you make, and nicely explain.
Rushing 3 isnt all about pressure. Pressure is great to have for sure. Pressure will eventually happen as most OL’s cannot block forever. Hell, there are teams that have lined up 2 DL to stop AR schemes. Are those teams concerned about pressuring the passer or the pass catchers more?
The added man in pass defense makes it harder for the offense. Smaller areas to throw to, 1 more body to throw thru and make plays, it just adds another layer for the QB to work thru. One more guy may not seem like much but it works.
Nope. And you have reached a new low.
Tell me, what is the handle you used to post with??
A Good DL helps, no doubt, but LSU DL was hardly to blame, they sacked Costello 5 times and he was rushed countless more. He only complete 60% of his passes which is very low for the air raid because of that pressure, and MSU rushed for only 9 yards. MSU's OL was thoroughly dominated. Pelini's overconfidence in LSU's DBs talent was the issue. You either have to jam the WRs at the LOS (Cal) or play disciplined zone (UW), as well. They played man to man "and off" the WRs all game. The WRs were allowed to run their routes unfettered, which is a big problem against the air raid.
If the DL was the "be all and end all," Utah would have consistently shut us down, they didn't. Leach had far better success against them.
For those talking about how Cal cant handle an SEC team, they beat Ole Miss last year.
MSU is not some loaded team. Ole Miss is not a loaded team. Half the SEC is average football teams.
We will see what MSU does when someone drops 9. All this talk about how Leach is gonna rip the SEC, we will see what happens when the rest of the league that has good coaching lines up. LSU isnt coached worth a damn.
MSU is not some loaded team. Ole Miss is not a loaded team. Half the SEC is average football teams.
We will see what MSU does when someone drops 9. All this talk about how Leach is gonna rip the SEC, we will see what happens when the rest of the league that has good coaching lines up. LSU isnt coached worth a damn.
LSU did not dominate Miss States offensive line. I’m not sure what game you were watching. Costello must have magical powers if he can throw for 638 yards while his o line is being dominated
lol
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He threw for 638 yards against a team that had no clue how to defend the scheme.
If you knew anything about Leach’s time at WSU you would know that it is entirely possible to beat a team with LSU talent one week ~ then lose to a FCS school the next.
You act like a poster thats been here for years yet your handle is new. Why dont you use your old handle???
Damn you are dumb. I thought couged was dumb. You make him look brilliant.
According to LSU Sports:
"Where the Tigers did have some success was getting into the State backfield. LSU generated pressure on 45.5% of KJ Costello's dropbacks, the third-best figure in the nation this week. For comparison, LSU generated pressure on 29.9% of its pass rushes last year, which ranked just 132nd nationally among FBS and FCS teams.
Leading the way was Ali Gaye. The junior college transfer totaled 11 pressures, nine hurries, one sack, one QB hit, and two batted balls, and even those numbers may not do his day justice." (emphasis theirs)
That leads to the real question, what the hell were you watching? 5 sacks, 9 yards rushing, 45.5%, pressures, That and 638 yards, tells me that a ton of receivers were open early and often.
Here's a tip -- make sure you know a fact or two before you try to denigrate someone. Baseless mocking makes you come across like a douche.
Lmao 632 yards passing and 44 points. Yes that pass rush really disrupted their offense
