Moscow murders

[95coug]

Just read this new twist - apparently there was blood from two additional males found during the investigation, which wasn’t revealed to the judge. Also wasn’t submitted for identification, although the article isn’t clear on exactly why.

Most of the defense’s moves have reeked of desperation, but this could be something. I don’t agree with them that it impacts probably cause, but this is the kind of thing that could turn into reasonable doubt., especially based on the people who are likely to be on this jury.

Still think he’s guilty as hell.

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[Coug90]

Just read this new twist - apparently there was blood from two additional males found during the investigation, which wasn’t revealed to the judge. Also wasn’t submitted for identification, although the article isn’t clear on exactly why.

Most of the defense’s moves have reeked of desperation, but this could be something. I don’t agree with them that it impacts probably cause, but this is the kind of thing that could turn into reasonable doubt., especially based on the people who are likely to be on this jury.

Still think he’s guilty as hell.

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Interesting. I’m of the opinion that if they didn’t find anything in the car then he’s not the guy. Maybe he was lookout while others did it? With how bloody that scene was I can’t imagine he could have jumped in his car without a drop of blood hitting the upholstery.

If the sheath is all they have he’s gonna get off, whether he’s involved or not. I believe he is in some way too and I hope there’s a lot more they have on him that we haven’t heard.

 

[95coug]

Interesting. I’m of the opinion that if they didn’t find anything in the car then he’s not the guy. Maybe he was lookout while others did it? With how bloody that scene was I can’t imagine he could have jumped in his car without a drop of blood hitting the upholstery.

If the sheath is all they have he’s gonna get off, whether he’s involved or not. I believe he is in some way too and I hope there’s a lot more they have on him that we haven’t heard.

Coveralls would take care of the blood transfer. Strip them off outside, stuff them and your gloves in a garbage bag, and either bury it somewhere in The fields south of Moscow or dump it in the river in clarkston the next day.

I assume they have more. Hopefully a lot more.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

If he was a lookout for others, then it would be in his interest to turn them over. I seem to remember that there was something goofy with his cell tracking...?

Not hard to see one potential defense line....the knife was his, but it was stolen. He was not there. The two other blood samples are from the guys who did it...

 

[PeteTheChop]

Most of the defense’s moves have reeked of desperation, but this could be something. I don’t agree with them that it impacts probably cause, but this is the kind of thing that could turn into reasonable doubt., especially based on the people who are likely to be on this jury.

If the sheath is all they have he’s gonna get off, whether he’s involved or not

Either way, let's hope he doesn't get his job back as a teaching assistant

 

[COUGinNCW]

Coveralls would take care of the blood transfer. Strip them off outside, stuff them and your gloves in a garbage bag, and either bury it somewhere in The fields south of Moscow or dump it in the river in clarkston the next day.

I assume they have more. Hopefully a lot more.

I can’t remember what the surging witness said about what he was wearing but if she saw him wearing normal cloths and not a hazmat suit, it’s going to help his defense if there was no DNA in his car.

 

[ttowncoug]

To many signs pointing that he was there. His car on video. The knife sheath. Cell phone data?

 

[95coug]

If he was a lookout for others, then it would be in his interest to turn them over. I seem to remember that there was something goofy with his cell tracking...?

Not hard to see one potential defense line....the knife was his, but it was stolen. He was not there. The two other blood samples are from the guys who did it...

To many signs pointing that he was there. His car on video. The knife sheath. Cell phone data?

There was a really easy defense to that from day 1. All he had to do was claim he was hooking up with one of the girls. That explains his visits to the house and his DNA there.

 

[Coug90]

To many signs pointing that he was there. His car on video. The knife sheath. Cell phone data?

Problem is it’s not against the law to go for a late night drive. I agree he was there in some capacity maybe he had help. If all they have is a sheath with his DNA and some cell phone pings I’m not sure that’s gonna be enough. Unless there’s DNA in the car they really can’t even prove if that’s the car. He was driving one of the most common color/approx makes of cars in the US.

This is a capital murder charge w death penalty likely. Reasonable doubt gonna be on steroids for this one. He was there. Shit his actions at his parents house and the way he acted when the cop pulled him over on the road trip screams guilty. Reasonable doubt is a bitch especially if there is sloppiness in the way evidence was obtained. I hope they have a lot more..,

 

[95coug]

Problem is it’s not against the law to go for a late night drive. I agree he was there in some capacity maybe he had help. If all they have is a sheath with his DNA and some cell phone pings I’m not sure that’s gonna be enough. Unless there’s DNA in the car they really can’t even prove if that’s the car. He was driving one of the most common color/approx makes of cars in the US.

Everything we’ve seen so far is - at least taken individually - very circumstantial. He was out for a drive when the murders happened. His cell phone was turned off when the murders happened. He’d been near the house a dozen times times before the murders. He was by the house the morning after the murders. A car matching his was spotted leaving the area at the time of the murders, and then heading the direction of where his phone came back on.
None of those things mean he did it. Putting them together gets hard to explain. Putting his DNA in the room where murders occurred makes it really hard to explain (although, like I said, claiming he was sleeping with one of them covers everything). All of that together gives plenty of probable cause. Probably doesn’t give an airtight case for conviction though.

My assumption all along has been that the cops have more than we’re aware of, and the defense’s activities seem to be aimed at getting things excluded instead of explaining them. Between that and the fact that I don’t believe an innocent person just sits in jail for 2 years, I think the issue is the defense can’t explain away what the prosecution has…probably because he did it, and wasn’t near as smart and sneaky as he thought.

 

[fingerdisco]

There was a really easy defense to that from day 1. All he had to do was claim he was hooking up with one of the girls. That explains his visits to the house and his DNA there.

Easy counter to that is ask the surviving roommate if that were the case—no way in hell he’s getting in and out of that house to hook up without anybody knowing it, no photos, social media posts, etc. showing any of the victims were in contact with him. The argument holds zero water. I can claim I’m hooking up with Christy Brinkley but it’s very easily disprovable.

 

[95coug]

Easy counter to that is ask the surviving roommate if that were the case—no way in hell he’s getting in and out of that house to hook up without anybody knowing it, no photos, social media posts, etc. showing any of the victims were in contact with him. The argument holds zero water. I can claim I’m hooking up with Christy Brinkley but it’s very easily disprovable.

Maybe. But the house had multiple entries on multiple floors. I don’t think it’s implausible.

Too late to claim it now, nobody would sit in jail for 2 years if they had that in their pocket.

 

[Coug90]

Maybe. But the house had multiple entries on multiple floors. I don’t think it’s implausible.

Too late to claim it now, nobody would sit in jail for 2 years if they had that in their pocket.

Nobody would sit in jail for two years if they were innocent. But he doesn’t need to be innocent he just needs to be not guilty.