Moscow murders

[95coug]

Just read this new twist - apparently there was blood from two additional males found during the investigation, which wasn’t revealed to the judge. Also wasn’t submitted for identification, although the article isn’t clear on exactly why.

Most of the defense’s moves have reeked of desperation, but this could be something. I don’t agree with them that it impacts probably cause, but this is the kind of thing that could turn into reasonable doubt., especially based on the people who are likely to be on this jury.

Still think he’s guilty as hell.

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[Coug90]

Just read this new twist - apparently there was blood from two additional males found during the investigation, which wasn’t revealed to the judge. Also wasn’t submitted for identification, although the article isn’t clear on exactly why.

Most of the defense’s moves have reeked of desperation, but this could be something. I don’t agree with them that it impacts probably cause, but this is the kind of thing that could turn into reasonable doubt., especially based on the people who are likely to be on this jury.

Still think he’s guilty as hell.

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Interesting. I’m of the opinion that if they didn’t find anything in the car then he’s not the guy. Maybe he was lookout while others did it? With how bloody that scene was I can’t imagine he could have jumped in his car without a drop of blood hitting the upholstery.

If the sheath is all they have he’s gonna get off, whether he’s involved or not. I believe he is in some way too and I hope there’s a lot more they have on him that we haven’t heard.

 

[95coug]

Interesting. I’m of the opinion that if they didn’t find anything in the car then he’s not the guy. Maybe he was lookout while others did it? With how bloody that scene was I can’t imagine he could have jumped in his car without a drop of blood hitting the upholstery.

If the sheath is all they have he’s gonna get off, whether he’s involved or not. I believe he is in some way too and I hope there’s a lot more they have on him that we haven’t heard.

Coveralls would take care of the blood transfer. Strip them off outside, stuff them and your gloves in a garbage bag, and either bury it somewhere in The fields south of Moscow or dump it in the river in clarkston the next day.

I assume they have more. Hopefully a lot more.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

If he was a lookout for others, then it would be in his interest to turn them over. I seem to remember that there was something goofy with his cell tracking...?

Not hard to see one potential defense line....the knife was his, but it was stolen. He was not there. The two other blood samples are from the guys who did it...

 

[PeteTheChop]

Most of the defense’s moves have reeked of desperation, but this could be something. I don’t agree with them that it impacts probably cause, but this is the kind of thing that could turn into reasonable doubt., especially based on the people who are likely to be on this jury.

If the sheath is all they have he’s gonna get off, whether he’s involved or not

Either way, let's hope he doesn't get his job back as a teaching assistant

 

[COUGinNCW]

Coveralls would take care of the blood transfer. Strip them off outside, stuff them and your gloves in a garbage bag, and either bury it somewhere in The fields south of Moscow or dump it in the river in clarkston the next day.

I assume they have more. Hopefully a lot more.

I can’t remember what the surging witness said about what he was wearing but if she saw him wearing normal cloths and not a hazmat suit, it’s going to help his defense if there was no DNA in his car.

 

[ttowncoug]

To many signs pointing that he was there. His car on video. The knife sheath. Cell phone data?

 

[95coug]

If he was a lookout for others, then it would be in his interest to turn them over. I seem to remember that there was something goofy with his cell tracking...?

Not hard to see one potential defense line....the knife was his, but it was stolen. He was not there. The two other blood samples are from the guys who did it...

To many signs pointing that he was there. His car on video. The knife sheath. Cell phone data?

There was a really easy defense to that from day 1. All he had to do was claim he was hooking up with one of the girls. That explains his visits to the house and his DNA there.

 

[Coug90]

To many signs pointing that he was there. His car on video. The knife sheath. Cell phone data?

Problem is it’s not against the law to go for a late night drive. I agree he was there in some capacity maybe he had help. If all they have is a sheath with his DNA and some cell phone pings I’m not sure that’s gonna be enough. Unless there’s DNA in the car they really can’t even prove if that’s the car. He was driving one of the most common color/approx makes of cars in the US.

This is a capital murder charge w death penalty likely. Reasonable doubt gonna be on steroids for this one. He was there. Shit his actions at his parents house and the way he acted when the cop pulled him over on the road trip screams guilty. Reasonable doubt is a bitch especially if there is sloppiness in the way evidence was obtained. I hope they have a lot more..,

 

[95coug]

Problem is it’s not against the law to go for a late night drive. I agree he was there in some capacity maybe he had help. If all they have is a sheath with his DNA and some cell phone pings I’m not sure that’s gonna be enough. Unless there’s DNA in the car they really can’t even prove if that’s the car. He was driving one of the most common color/approx makes of cars in the US.

Everything we’ve seen so far is - at least taken individually - very circumstantial. He was out for a drive when the murders happened. His cell phone was turned off when the murders happened. He’d been near the house a dozen times times before the murders. He was by the house the morning after the murders. A car matching his was spotted leaving the area at the time of the murders, and then heading the direction of where his phone came back on.
None of those things mean he did it. Putting them together gets hard to explain. Putting his DNA in the room where murders occurred makes it really hard to explain (although, like I said, claiming he was sleeping with one of them covers everything). All of that together gives plenty of probable cause. Probably doesn’t give an airtight case for conviction though.

My assumption all along has been that the cops have more than we’re aware of, and the defense’s activities seem to be aimed at getting things excluded instead of explaining them. Between that and the fact that I don’t believe an innocent person just sits in jail for 2 years, I think the issue is the defense can’t explain away what the prosecution has…probably because he did it, and wasn’t near as smart and sneaky as he thought.

 

[fingerdisco]

There was a really easy defense to that from day 1. All he had to do was claim he was hooking up with one of the girls. That explains his visits to the house and his DNA there.

Easy counter to that is ask the surviving roommate if that were the case—no way in hell he’s getting in and out of that house to hook up without anybody knowing it, no photos, social media posts, etc. showing any of the victims were in contact with him. The argument holds zero water. I can claim I’m hooking up with Christy Brinkley but it’s very easily disprovable.

 

[95coug]

Easy counter to that is ask the surviving roommate if that were the case—no way in hell he’s getting in and out of that house to hook up without anybody knowing it, no photos, social media posts, etc. showing any of the victims were in contact with him. The argument holds zero water. I can claim I’m hooking up with Christy Brinkley but it’s very easily disprovable.

Maybe. But the house had multiple entries on multiple floors. I don’t think it’s implausible.

Too late to claim it now, nobody would sit in jail for 2 years if they had that in their pocket.

 

[Coug90]

Maybe. But the house had multiple entries on multiple floors. I don’t think it’s implausible.

Too late to claim it now, nobody would sit in jail for 2 years if they had that in their pocket.

Nobody would sit in jail for two years if they were innocent. But he doesn’t need to be innocent he just needs to be not guilty.

 

[95coug]

Nobody would sit in jail for two years if they were innocent. But he doesn’t need to be innocent he just needs to be not guilty.

True…and he only needs to be not guilty in the mind of 1 of 12.

I still expect that the prosecution’s most damning stuff hasn’t been made public yet, and all of the defense’s maneuvering is desperate attempts to keep it from seeing the light of day.

The reports that there were 2 other blood samples that weren’t investigated don’t look good on the surface, but there might be completely reasonable explanations for that. It’s a lot easier to believe that a reporter put out a story with limited understanding of the facts (maybe led/leaked by the defense?) than it is to believe that good evidence of viable suspects was intentionally ignored.

 

[Coug90]

True…and he only needs to be not guilty in the mind of 1 of 12.

I still expect that the prosecution’s most damning stuff hasn’t been made public yet, and all of the defense’s maneuvering is desperate attempts to keep it from seeing the light of day.

The reports that there were 2 other blood samples that weren’t investigated don’t look good on the surface, but there might be completely reasonable explanations for that. It’s a lot easier to believe that a reporter put out a story with limited understanding of the facts (maybe led/leaked by the defense?) than it is to believe that good evidence of viable suspects was intentionally ignored.

From additional details I’ve heard about the blood samples, they are not as “clean” as the sheath DNA and likely wouldn’t be admissible as evidence as such. Like, some partygoer could have cut his hand on a beer bottle 3 weeks before type of thing.

 

[95coug]

From additional details I’ve heard about the blood samples, they are not as “clean” as the sheath DNA and likely wouldn’t be admissible as evidence as such. Like, some partygoer could have cut his hand on a beer bottle 3 weeks before type of thing.

Makes sense…and it sounds like one sample was from outside the house, so it immediately has questionable linkage to anything occurring there.

 

[fingerdisco]

Maybe. But the house had multiple entries on multiple floors. I don’t think it’s implausible.

Too late to claim it now, nobody would sit in jail for 2 years if they had that in their pocket.

The only way that makes any sense is if they had a secret tryst where she snuck him in and out without anyone in a crowded shared apartment seeing, and there being zero texts between them, social media posts, shared gossip amongst roommates, etc. etc. about the encounter. I don't know the evidence but I'll assume there's zero evidence that he knew, or had any contact with anybody in that house in any sort of social, non-murdery fashion. Again he can claim anything he wants--he might as well say he was superman and flew in to the house to try to save her--but the lawyers will have to show some evidence to support it, otherwise the jury will blow it off as the bullshit that it is.

 

[UberCougars]

Nobody would sit in jail for two years if they were innocent. But he doesn’t need to be innocent he just needs to be not guilty.

Unless they’re J-6. They can sit in solitary confinement without an attorney longer than 2 years.

 

[95coug]

The only way that makes any sense is if they had a secret tryst where she snuck him in and out without anyone in a crowded shared apartment seeing, and there being zero texts between them, social media posts, shared gossip amongst roommates, etc. etc. about the encounter. I don't know the evidence but I'll assume there's zero evidence that he knew, or had any contact with anybody in that house in any sort of social, non-murdery fashion. Again he can claim anything he wants--he might as well say he was superman and flew in to the house to try to save her--but the lawyers will have to show some evidence to support it, otherwise the jury will blow it off as the bullshit that it is.

If he’d raised it 18 months ago, it’s plausible. I don’t know what kind of party house this was, but there were times in college when I was at the same parties that friends were and we never saw each other. This place had multiple entries on 3 floors, so if there were a lot of people coming & going, I don’t think it would be implausible for roommates not to see each other with someone. Add in the mental state that accompanies college parties, roommates coming and going to other events, trips home, etc….and the “secret tryst” really isn’t that far fetched.

But nobody’s going to wait 2 years to bring that up. At this point it’s BS. In December of 2023…it doesn’t get him off the hook, but it gets reduced bail and places more doubt in the press and public opinion. It’d be a lot better strategy than “I didn’t know them, I didn’t do it, I don’t know how my DNA was there in the murder room”

 

[Coug90]

Unless they’re J-6. They can sit in solitary confinement without an attorney longer than 2 years.

Oh FFS. Only you would come to a thread about a quadruple murder to whine about injustice for a bunch of trailer park cultists who beat police and destroyed property. GTFO with that bullshit you little twat.

 

[UberCougars]

Your selective outrage is showing might wanna cover that up a little

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[Flatlandcoug]

Unless they’re J-6. They can sit in solitary confinement without an attorney longer than 2 years.

January 6th. If it had been brown people storming the Capitol, you'd be singing a different tune. The never ending hypocrisy and stupidity of the MAGA crowd never ends. But of course, you digress.

 

[UberCougars]

Some say you can’t bury your head up your ass any farther than it is but, keep trying. I have faith in you.

 

[Coug90]

Your selective outrage is showing might wanna cover that up a little

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Dumbass

 

[Stretch 74]

Everything we’ve seen so far is - at least taken individually - very circumstantial. He was out for a drive when the murders happened. His cell phone was turned off when the murders happened. He’d been near the house a dozen times times before the murders. He was by the house the morning after the murders. A car matching his was spotted leaving the area at the time of the murders, and then heading the direction of where his phone came back on.
None of those things mean he did it. Putting them together gets hard to explain. Putting his DNA in the room where murders occurred makes it really hard to explain (although, like I said, claiming he was sleeping with one of them covers everything). All of that together gives plenty of probable cause. Probably doesn’t give an airtight case for conviction though.

My assumption all along has been that the cops have more than we’re aware of, and the defense’s activities seem to be aimed at getting things excluded instead of explaining them. Between that and the fact that I don’t believe an innocent person just sits in jail for 2 years, I think the issue is the defense can’t explain away what the prosecution has…probably because he did it, and wasn’t near as smart and sneaky as he thought.

I think you are right on about the known evidence being all circumstantial. Everyone is hoping there is more to the prosecution's case, because it would he a horrible miscarriage of justice if this guy walks free. At least that is my opinion.

Something I am wondering is what all they can extract from cell phone records. I remember seeing a video where a reporter did a test by driving around a city (DC, IIRC) with his cell phone turned off, and then drove around with it turned off. Even got out and walked a bit each time. Afterwards some tech guy got into the phone and showed how the tracking was still active even while the phone was turned off. Hmmmm. Haven't heard anything about such a thing being an urban legend or anything like that, so I will assume it is true until learning otherwise. And if that is the case, will there be damning evidence that LE can extract?

In addition to that question is how often does the cell phone get pinged? If the phone was turned on full time for weeks or even months and then was turned off during the night of the murders, that can be another damning bit of evidence.

Something I am very curious about is the location of the two unknown fingerprints. Were they found in close proximity to one of the victims or on the fridge or somewhere totally away from the murder locations? Seems to me that location may be quite telling as to whether they are linked to a murder or not.

I see some discussion about the guy being able to explain his DNA being there by claiming he had hooked up with one of the girls before. My memory is being tested here, who else has memory on this. I thought that one of the survivors had stated that they had interaction with him at a local bar/night club some time but that his advances were rebuffed by the roommates. If so, that would be a good defense to his possible claim.

 

[ttowncoug]

From my perspective, Idaho and the community want someone to pay for this crime. The defendant is the only guy they have and I suspect he is not going to get a favorable jury, even in Boise.

I'd be surprised - not shocked - if he gets out of this.

Will he accept a lessor charge - with the possibility of parole - to prevent a jury putting him on death row?

Lot's for the defendant to think about.