NCAA Clears Way for Athletes to Be Compensated...(WSJ)

[ttowncoug]

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Sounds like this decision just puts a review of this in motion. Overall bad for the majority of college programs. The big pocket ones stand to benefit the most. I.E. Ohio State boosters can pay football players 10K per month for using their image.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ncaa-c...o-be-compensated-11572372807?mod=hp_lead_pos5

 

[COUGinNCW]

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Sounds like this decision just puts a review of this in motion. Overall bad for the majority of college programs. The big pocket ones stand to benefit the most. I.E. Ohio State boosters can pay football players 10K per month for using their image.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ncaa-c...o-be-compensated-11572372807?mod=hp_lead_pos5

hello Big Sky

 

[avabob1]

A lot of high profile kids are already getting big bucks under the table. Now they might at least have to pay taxes on it.

 

[dgibbons]

A lot of high profile kids are already getting big bucks under the table. Now they might at least have to pay taxes on it.

And Tosh Lupoi's recruiting strategy took a hit.

 

[Brent H.]

Bad news for us. Now the Tyee Club can legally pay their players.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I'm not jumping on the chicken little bandwagon yet. I'd like to see how this all pencils out first.

I mean, there is already a gigantic chasm between the P5 aristocracy and the peasants, how much worse can it get? I mean, Bama already gets all the 4 and 5 star players, so how is that going to change, besides maybe another school ponies up more $$ and they take Bama's place. We'll never be Bama.

 

[roses04]

I don't think this is good news for the small market schools. Huge recruiting advantage to big city schools. "Commit to us, and we have a local car dealer that will pay you $50,000 a year to do adds" "and that's just the start, we have a Plumbing Contractor, and Insurance company lined up too"

Hell, the way some of these programs get excited about recruits in Feb, a big name 5 star recruit could start doing ads the day he shows upon on campus if not sooner.

 

[ElComanche]

Yup if you guys are correct then it all shakes out to favor the big schools.The proponents look at it compensating the players for their play. However i may just be a way to favor the Duke s and Ohio States of the Nation.

 

[CougPatrol]

It favors the large TV markets the most, but WSU isn't completely sunk. Our fan base goes crazy with marketing hype. Can you imagine how much Minshew would have raked in last season?

It's a trickle down effect like everything else. USC, UW and Oregon will benefit the most in our league, but OSU, Colorado, Utah, the Arizona's, Bay Area's, not so much. What it really does is add even more separation between the P5 conferences and everyone else. WSU recruits against Boise State, Wyoming, Hawaii, San Jose St, Nevada, etc., as much as we do against P12 schools.

In the grandest scheme of things, it's another blow to the Pac12 in comparison to the SEC, Big10, and Big12 conferences with their bloated TV contracts and rabid fan bases.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I dunno that there is gonna be a line of people to give significant dollars to 3 star athletes that could take 3 years to get on the field in any meaningful way.

The limit of scholarships helps. Only so many seats at these schools that have deep pocketed opportunities.

And what if you take the up front $ and then dont sniff the field??? Prob not gonna be a line of folks to hand out dollars to the bench.

Itll be interesting to see how this shakes out. IMO, there may be some serious money out there for women.

 

[roses04]

Jim Walden might lose his spot on the Valley RV commercials to Cam Cooper next year.

 

[random soul]

Recruiting extras will still likely be a no no. The compensation may be held and then released after eligibility is exhausted. The main thing this does is let star athletes get compensation for autographs and game programs and posters and (yay!) video games. It'll be weaponized and abused I'm sure, so more detailed regulations would have to be fleshed out, but the NCAA has never been shy about new rules

 

[95coug]

The only way this works is if there’s a consistent scale across all schools. The pay amounts can’t be set by the individual schools. And I’m not sure how you individualize it at all, without creating inequities both within and between teams.

 

[Dusty.Hooper]

Ok, so this may not initially affect 2 & 3 star recruits....but (sorry to be negative Nancy) - paying college athletes and relaxing the transfer rule is a double whammy to us.

- What if we recruit the second coming of Gardner Minshew II, or a Will Derting has a break out season as a freshman and paying athletes plus the new transfer rule > WSU becomes a farm team for diamond in the rough players. (If we ever signed them in the first place)

- So could United or Alaska Airlines then pay the next Peyton Manning say $600,000/year to be their poster boy ? Maybe if he transfers to U of X ? Is there a dollar ceiling for radio or tv show in a player’s name? I think not!

- And there has been discussion maybe taxing athletes as income for their full ride scholarships. This would especially hurt us, because athletes would then be looking even harder for high revenue universities and alumni to cover their tax debt.

That’s all I have, thank you for listening, and time for my medications.

 

[GrayOnGray]

When the PAC 12 signed the TV agreements that allowed us to hire Leach and build our stadium, I was excited, even though it likely meant our time was short. Only a matter of time before coaching salaries once again inflate beyond our grasp. Money was our savior, and now it seems to be our cross.

 

[BiggsCoug]

If the NCAA is going to put a cap on how much kids can make they need to do the same for coaches.

 

[sylean]

its a terrible blow for WSU football....we will become a farm system.....as it is now, there are only a handful of perennial football powerhouses and this paying athletes will only make the disparity worse...far worse.....I can truly see many schools just batching football all together....

 

[kougkurt]

Way too much to figure out how this is going to work before any meaningful judgement can be made.

 

[metprof]

Let me guess....the NCAA will be getting a cut of the proceeds?

So instead of creating a playoff system that would benefit all FBS schools they do this. Way to look out for college football.

 

[Coug90]

I'm not jumping on the chicken little bandwagon yet. I'd like to see how this all pencils out first.

I mean, there is already a gigantic chasm between the P5 aristocracy and the peasants, how much worse can it get? I mean, Bama already gets all the 4 and 5 star players, so how is that going to change, besides maybe another school ponies up more $$ and they take Bama's place. We'll never be Bama.

It’s Pandora’s box. There’s going to be a huge gray area opportunity here and the rich schools will take advantage. Not good for us

 

[longtimecoug]

A lot of high profile kids are already getting big bucks under the table. Now they might at least have to pay taxes on it.

I heard on the radio that some legislators are gearing up to make scholarships taxable income

 

[Suudy]

I heard on the radio that some legislators are gearing up to make scholarships taxable income

Which sucks for those poor schlubs like me who relied on several to pay for college. So this idea affects more than just athletes.

 

[PINGDUDE4]

Ok, so this may not initially affect 2 & 3 star recruits....but (sorry to be negative Nancy) - paying college athletes and relaxing the transfer rule is a double whammy to us.

- What if we recruit the second coming of Gardner Minshew II, or a Will Derting has a break out season as a freshman and paying athletes plus the new transfer rule > WSU becomes a farm team for diamond in the rough players. (If we ever signed them in the first place)

- So could United or Alaska Airlines then pay the next Peyton Manning say $600,000/year to be their poster boy ? Maybe if he transfers to U of X ? Is there a dollar ceiling for radio or tv show in a player’s name? I think not!

- And there has been discussion maybe taxing athletes as income for their full ride scholarships. This would especially hurt us, because athletes would then be looking even harder for high revenue universities and alumni to cover their tax debt.

That’s all I have, thank you for listening, and time for my medications.

Really great points across the board.

I would add what is really going hurt the WSU type program are teams that will be able to figure out a way to pay the entire team. Mark my words they will. As I have posted, NIKE will and you can bet the big fish SEC teams will. It is one thing for say a Minshew type to profit etc., but it will hurt depth at the lower budget places when a player can go to a school with crazy boosters and be paid even if you are not a star.

 

[95coug]

Really great points across the board.

I would add what is really going hurt the WSU type program are teams that will be able to figure out a way to pay the entire team. Mark my words they will. As I have posted, NIKE will and you can bet the big fish SEC teams will. It is one thing for say a Minshew type to profit etc., but it will hurt depth at the lower budget places when a player can go to a school with crazy boosters and be paid even if you are not a star.

The remedy for this is a salary cap. Limit the amount teams can spend, and force them to decide how it’s distributed. Or, like I said above, limit what they can pay anyone individually.

The problem is managing endorsement deals. How do you limit that? It’s undeniable that some players are nationally marketable, and each team typically has a player or two who are locally marketable.

 

[dgibbons]

Of course in the background of all this the portal is already in place. Free agency for real$ now.

 

[PINGDUDE4]

The remedy for this is a salary cap. Limit the amount teams can spend, and force them to decide how it’s distributed. Or, like I said above, limit what they can pay anyone individually.

The problem is managing endorsement deals. How do you limit that? It’s undeniable that some players are nationally marketable, and each team typically has a player or two who are locally marketable.

You can't limit endorsement deals and that is how the bigger programs will spread the money. You think a guy like Saban would allow a situation where only a couple of his stars get paid. That would totally destroy the team and the locker room.

 

[sylean]

like I said above, eventually football will not be viable for many schools....if you know for a fact that you have absolutely no chance then why bother......get used to the to ten schools competing and the rest perennial middle or bottom dwellers which is going to make college football less competitive, less interesting....

 

[BiggsCoug]

like I said above, eventually football will not be viable for many schools....if you know for a fact that you have absolutely no chance then why bother......get used to the to ten schools competing and the rest perennial middle or bottom dwellers which is going to make college football less competitive, less interesting....

There is a d3 conference in Minnesota that just bounced one of their members. The school spends millions on its teams. The other members dont. They want a conference with similar minded schools. Told them to kick rocks.

Think there will be a time when something like this happens in BCS football?

Top dollar is gonna go to top kids. If you arent in the mix for those guys anyways, how great is the impact? Not to say there wont be impact. How big will it be? You could argue kids are already doing this in basketball.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Here's where it might severely affect middling schools like WSU as well:

Dicks decides to make Eason the face of their restaurant, and now every kid in seattle and spokane is being constantly bombarded with UW marketing from yet another source. It could tip the scale in regional and local recruiting significantly if the mutts are on KOMO hawking top pot donuts during prime time and the Cougs get a late night infomercial slot for Jim's tree root service.

 

[Observer11]

You can't limit endorsement deals and that is how the bigger programs will spread the money. You think a guy like Saban would allow a situation where only a couple of his stars get paid. That would totally destroy the team and the locker room.

The salary cap should be on coaching staffs and also a cap on capital expenditures. This whole image/pay kids isn't even an issue if the coaches and AD's exercised an ounce of self-restraint. Instead, they pay themselves MILLIONS and then expect the kid to be satisfied with athletic scholarships (which they've already received for decades).

Unless there is radical reform of how the NCAA distributes revenue and limits spending, this is the beginning of the end for college sports as we know it. The rich are going to get MUCH richer in terms of both talent and competitive disparity. The model isn't sustainable. It may take two years, it may take five years but the whole thing is set to implode at some point.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I was reading an article on espn about Mitt Romney’s comments on it.

Placing limits on how much you can or cant pay a kid, if youre gonna allow it, is crap. There arent limits on what the coaches get paid. Or the AD. Or the school’s president. And you wanna put a salary cap on the kids??? That’s crap. People stacking millions of chips saying someone else can only make so much???

Glorified PE coaches. All of them.

 

[OrangeGravy]

I'm not jumping on the chicken little bandwagon yet. I'd like to see how this all pencils out first.

I mean, there is already a gigantic chasm between the P5 aristocracy and the peasants, how much worse can it get? I mean, Bama already gets all the 4 and 5 star players, so how is that going to change, besides maybe another school ponies up more $$ and they take Bama's place. We'll never be Bama.

I'll go one further. I hope it officially separates the aristocracy from the rest and the rest go back to the old bowl system. Let the "super powers" battle it out with their dog and pony show while the rest of us can go back to winning the conference as the main goal.

 

[OrangeGravy]

like I said above, eventually football will not be viable for many schools....if you know for a fact that you have absolutely no chance then why bother......get used to the to ten schools competing and the rest perennial middle or bottom dwellers which is going to make college football less competitive, less interesting....

it's already not viable for 90%+ of P5 programs. Even schools with decent history aren't "making money" and you already know that you have no chance if you don't have the right name on your jersey.

 

[OrangeGravy]

The salary cap should be on coaching staffs and also a cap on capital expenditures. This whole image/pay kids isn't even an issue if the coaches and AD's exercised an ounce of self-restraint. Instead, they pay themselves MILLIONS and then expect the kid to be satisfied with athletic scholarships (which they've already received for decades).

Unless there is radical reform of how the NCAA distributes revenue and limits spending, this is the beginning of the end for college sports as we know it. The rich are going to get MUCH richer in terms of both talent and competitive disparity. The model isn't sustainable. It may take two years, it may take five years but the whole thing is set to implode at some point.

This is where the true disparity is in college athletics. Unfortunately, it's never gonna get rained in. They would rather milk it until it's dry than throttle back.

 

[fingerdisco]

I'll go one further. I hope it officially separates the aristocracy from the rest and the rest go back to the old bowl system. Let the "super powers" battle it out with their dog and pony show while the rest of us can go back to winning the conference as the main goal.

I was thinking the same thing--let Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Auburn, and a few other teams take turns trading a "national championship" trophy between trophy cases in their mini semi-pro league, and lets get back to college football the way it was.

 

[OrangeGravy]

I was thinking the same thing--let Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Auburn, and a few other teams take turns trading a "national championship" trophy between trophy cases in their mini semi-pro league, and lets get back to college football the way it was.

If you take a look at the original BCS people, their motives were pretty clear. They succeeded in hijacking college football under the guise of fixing something that people weren't clambering to have fixed. College football was exciting as it good be to "Everyone" with the bowl system. Next to a D2 type playoff, it was as good as you could hope for. Everyone had one goal, win your conference as represent it in the big bowl game. It was actually fun arguing about who was better.
Now everything is set every year before game 1 of the season kicks off. The reason they've resisted the playoff despite every other level of college football having one is to keep control of who's invited to the party. A playoff where every conference champ gets in is way to unpredictable. They can't carry a narrative from pre-season to end with a playoff. The bigger playoff would make more money, but not for all the people who make the money currently (bowl game admins).

 

[sylean]

it's already not viable for 90%+ of P5 programs. Even schools with decent history aren't "making money" and you already know that you have no chance if you don't have the right name on your jersey.

this , plus the tide is turning on football....young people not as interested and the big gorilla in the mix is the concussion risk......

whether it be because running a football program isn't worth it or the fan base diminishes greatly or because of concussion protocols,, some , maybe many programs will simply fold..

 

[longtimecoug]

Which sucks for those poor schlubs like me who relied on several to pay for college. So this idea affects more than just athletes.

I think this is only related to athletic scholarships, the assumption is apparently that eventually athletes will be considered employees of the school with the scholarship being a salary of sorts

 

[Suudy]

I think this is only related to athletic scholarships, the assumption is apparently that eventually athletes will be considered employees of the school with the scholarship being a salary of sorts

I could see an equal protection claim being made. If athletic scholarships make athletes some sort of de facto employee of the school, why wouldn't an academic scholarship make a student a de facto employee of the grantor? And I mean the claim would come from the athletes decrying the fact that other scholarship recipients aren't taxed, so why should they? And in the end all scholarships get taxed.

I don't think the taxable scholarship will get any traction. Scholarships are gifts, with some strings attached, almost always limited to academic performance. How many athletic scholarships are yanked due to poor on-field (on-court, etc) performance?

 

[dgibbons]

I could see an equal protection claim being made. If athletic scholarships make athletes some sort of de facto employee of the school, why wouldn't an academic scholarship make a student a de facto employee of the grantor? And I mean the claim would come from the athletes decrying the fact that other scholarship recipients aren't taxed, so why should they? And in the end all scholarships get taxed.

I don't think the taxable scholarship will get any traction. Scholarships are gifts, with some strings attached, almost always limited to academic performance. How many athletic scholarships are yanked due to poor on-field (on-court, etc) performance?

Still Title IX implications too. I can't imagine the highest profile women athletes could garner anywhere near what anyone on the football or mens' basketball team could get.