Need help from P12 North tiebreaker experts.

[billyjoecamaro]

Hear me out.

6-3 three-way tie to finish the season. WSU, UO, OSU. Could happen.

Head to head doesn’t solve it, so am I reading it right that in that situation the north division record determines the champion?

WSU 4-1, UO 3-2, OSU 3-2.

I know, I know, beat Zona. Just hoping!

 

[95coug]

Pretty sure that's correct.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Pac-12 football tie-break procedures to determine division champions

PAC-12 TIE-BREAK PROCEDURES TO DETERMINE DIVISION CHAMPIONS The winner of each Division will be determined by the record in all games played (both divisional and cross-divisional) within the conference. In the event of a tie, the following procedures will be applied to determine the Pac-12...

pac-12.com

 

[SDCoug]

Pac-12 football tie-break procedures to determine division champions

PAC-12 TIE-BREAK PROCEDURES TO DETERMINE DIVISION CHAMPIONS The winner of each Division will be determined by the record in all games played (both divisional and cross-divisional) within the conference. In the event of a tie, the following procedures will be applied to determine the Pac-12...

pac-12.com

First off, let’s just win out.

Oregon would have to lose twice, but I was going to root for that anyway. Beavs have to win out but I’d also be rooting for that anyway.

Based on this, I believe that Cal would have to lose out. They would finish last with the same record as Stanford by virtue of Stanford beating them.

Multiple-Team Ties:​

The following procedures will only be used to eliminate all but two teams, at which point the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.​

1. Head-to-head (Best record in games among the tied teams).
2. Record in games played within the division.
3. Record against the next highest placed team in the division (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the division.
4. Record in common conference games.
5. Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics Following the last weekend of regular-season games.

Rule 2 would go to us. Would come down to rule 3 for the ducks and Beavs. Ducks lost to Trees and Beavs lost to Bears. They both beat the fuskies. So if Stanford is ahead of Cal, ducks would be eliminated. Then it goes to two team tiebreaker between us and Beavs. We win by virtue of head to head win.

Cal still has Stanford, USC, and fUCLA so not unreasonable to think that they don’t win another game.

 

[kougkurt]

In your scenario, Cougs would win the north. I saw it online earlier in the week so it has to be true.

 

[95coug]

First off, let’s just win out.

Oregon would have to lose twice, but I was going to root for that anyway. Beavs have to win out but I’d also be rooting for that anyway.

Based on this, I believe that Cal would have to lose out. They would finish last with the same record as Stanford by virtue of Stanford beating them.

Multiple-Team Ties:​

The following procedures will only be used to eliminate all but two teams, at which point the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.​

1. Head-to-head (Best record in games among the tied teams).
2. Record in games played within the division.
3. Record against the next highest placed team in the division (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the division.
4. Record in common conference games.
5. Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics Following the last weekend of regular-season games.

Rule 2 would go to us. Would come down to rule 3 for the ducks and Beavs. Ducks lost to Trees and Beavs lost to Bears. They both beat the fuskies. So if Stanford is ahead of Cal, ducks would be eliminated. Then it goes to two team tiebreaker between us and Beavs. We win by virtue of head to head win.

Cal still has Stanford, USC, and fUCLA so not unreasonable to think that they don’t win another game.

Rule 2 would go to us, so we’re no longer part of the tie. Ducks and Beavs would then revert to the 2 team tie procedure, and Beavs would win based on head to head. Ducks would be 3rd. Stanford and UW can’t get bowl eligible in this scenario, so they’re irrelevant. Cal has to win out to be bowl eligible, and that would make them #4.

 

[CougPatrol]

As much as I’d love that to happen, if we win the next 2, I’ll be thrilled.

 

[SDCoug]

Rule 2 would go to us, so we’re no longer part of the tie. Ducks and Beavs would then revert to the 2 team tie procedure, and Beavs would win based on head to head. Ducks would be 3rd. Stanford and UW can’t get bowl eligible in this scenario, so they’re irrelevant. Cal has to win out to be bowl eligible, and that would make them #4.

You are so right. Not sure why I felt the need to over complicate it.

 

[95coug]

You are so right. Not sure why I felt the need to over complicate it.

Say that first part again...

 

[billyjoecamaro]

I think I was right? A 6-3 three way tie goes to the Cougs! Go Beavs!

 

[Glad Cougar]

You are right. Need OSU to win tonight AND next week....but most importantly, Cougs need to win the Apple Cup.

Glad Cougar

 

[COCoug]

Yes- the ABC crew just confirmed before signing off. Two wins for OSU and the AC for WSU= Cougs in championship game.

 

[Coug-Vandal]

I didn't take this scenario very seriously in part because I didn't think Oregon would lose. Obviously they did and badly to Utah.
The Beavs are up 17-0 against Ariz St late in the 2nd quarter. If the Beavs can beat the Ducks and the Cougs can beat UW we win the north. Suddenly this seems possible.

 

[Coug90]

I didn't take this scenario very seriously in part because I didn't think Oregon would lose. Obviously they did and badly to Utah.
The Beavs are up 17-0 against Ariz St late in the 2nd quarter. If the Beavs can beat the Ducks and the Cougs can beat UW we win the north. Suddenly this seems possible.

It’s getting interesting…Ducks going to be deflated after tonight and I’m not sure OSU is a great matchup for them.

 

[95coug]

It’s getting interesting…Ducks going to be deflated after tonight and I’m not sure OSU is a great matchup for them.

It seemed far fetched, but the north comes down to the Apple Cup and civil war.

If Oregon wins, they take the north.

If Oregon State wins and we lose, the Beavers take the north.

If Oregon State wins and we win, Cougs win the north.

Utah has clinched the south, and will probably be favored to win the Pac-12 and the Rose Bowl berth. Cougs actually could still land in any of the conference’s bowls.

 

[Coug90]

It seemed far fetched, but the north comes down to the Apple Cup and civil war.

If Oregon wins, they take the north.

If Oregon State wins and we lose, the Beavers take the north.

If Oregon State wins and we win, Cougs win the north.

Utah has clinched the south, and will probably be favored to win the Pac-12 and the Rose Bowl berth. Cougs actually could still land in any of the conference’s bowls.

Even if everything lines up and we win the North, I have a hard time seeing us beat Utah. That’s just a completely different team than the one we should have beat earlier this year. Vegas would be a fantastic reward for this team and for Coug alum. I think even those who can’t get over the butthurt from Rolo could take a few days break from it in sin city.

 

[95coug]

Even if everything lines up and we win the North, I have a hard time seeing us beat Utah. That’s just a completely different team than the one we should have beat earlier this year. Vegas would be a fantastic reward for this team and for Coug alum. I think even those who can’t get over the butthurt from Rolo could take a few days break from it in sin city.

I’ll take that farther and say I have a hard time seeing us, the beavers, or the ducks beating Utah.

Bowl order is:
Rose
Alamo
Vegas
Holiday
Sun

Armed Forces, First Responder, and Gasparilla are also in the mix if we have enough eligible teams. We have 6 as of today. Cal and USC can get eligible if they win out, but they play each other so only one can make it…or neither of them could. Cal plays UCLA and USC plays BYU, so it’s very possible neither of them qualifies.

Its hard to predict who might go where right now. Obviously the path to the Rose goes through Utah. With 3 losses, Utes are not going to the playoff. Oregon - if they beat the Beavers and then win a rematch with Utah, plus some chaos in the top 6, could theoretically make the CFP…but that’s not going to happen. Oregon might qualify for an at large NY6 game with a 3rd loss, but that depends on a lot of other things.

Other than Utah and Oregon, all of our bowl eligible teams are logjammed at 5-3. They’ll all finish either 6-3 or 5-4. If the beavers win the civil war, Oregon will also be 6-3. Cal can get to 5-4, USC can get to 4-5.

There’s a chance that the Alamo bowl (second pick behind the Rose) could have the opportunity to choose whichever team they want from 7 bowl eligible teams. We could all finish within 1 game of each other. It’ll be a pure beauty contest, with record being only marginally meaningful. (Note: if USC can get eligible - which seems unlikely - they’ll be last pick because they can only get to 4-5. All 6-3 teams have to be slotted ahead of them.

In other words, it’s still chaos. Dogs & cats living together, total anarchy.

 

[79COUG]

I’ll take that farther and say I have a hard time seeing us, the beavers, or the ducks beating Utah.

Bowl order is:
Rose
Alamo
Vegas
Holiday
Sun

Armed Forces, First Responder, and Gasparilla are also in the mix if we have enough eligible teams. We have 6 as of today. Cal and USC can get eligible if they win out, but they play each other so only one can make it…or neither of them could. Cal plays UCLA and USC plays BYU, so it’s very possible neither of them qualifies.

Its hard to predict who might go where right now. Obviously the path to the Rose goes through Utah. With 3 losses, Utes are not going to the playoff. Oregon - if they beat the Beavers and then win a rematch with Utah, plus some chaos in the top 6, could theoretically make the CFP…but that’s not going to happen. Oregon might qualify for an at large NY6 game with a 3rd loss, but that depends on a lot of other things.

Other than Utah and Oregon, all of our bowl eligible teams are logjammed at 5-3. They’ll all finish either 6-3 or 5-4. If the beavers win the civil war, Oregon will also be 6-3. Cal can get to 5-4, USC can get to 4-5.

There’s a chance that the Alamo bowl (second pick behind the Rose) could have the opportunity to choose whichever team they want from 7 bowl eligible teams. We could all finish within 1 game of each other. It’ll be a pure beauty contest, with record being only marginally meaningful. (Note: if USC can get eligible - which seems unlikely - they’ll be last pick because they can only get to 4-5. All 6-3 teams have to be slotted ahead of them.

In other words, it’s still chaos. Dogs & cats living together, total anarchy.

If it pans out that the Alamo has it's choice between us and Oregon I would think they would pick the ducks. They're sexier than us as far as national appeal goes. Vegas would then probably choose us because our fan base would represent well there.
Just my opinion...

 

[Flatlandcoug]

If it pans out that the Alamo has it's choice between us and Oregon I would think they would pick the ducks. They're sexier than us as far as national appeal goes. Vegas would then probably choose us because our fan base would represent well there.
Just my opinion...

If we are tied with UCLA......it's going to be a tough sell because Bruins fans can drive to the game. That said, UCLA fans suck.

Chun will undoubtedly remind the Vegas Bowl committee of our turnout in 2012 when we drank the stadium out of beer. They'll get more money out of alcohol revenue than they will from tickets.

 

[95coug]

If it pans out that the Alamo has it's choice between us and Oregon I would think they would pick the ducks. They're sexier than us as far as national appeal goes. Vegas would then probably choose us because our fan base would represent well there.
Just my opinion...

Don’t forget ASU. They’ll be in the mix too.

 

[79COUG]

True. And they may trump both us and UCLA.

 

[95coug]

True. And they may trump both us and UCLA.

And the ugly truth is that if Vegas takes ASU over us, I expect the Holiday would take UCLA, leaving us in the Sun. I could be wrong, because I think WSU fans showed well in our Holiday bowls (even if our team stunk). Cougs show pretty well in Vegas for regular games and for spring break…I think there’d be hordes of us there for a bowl game in the new stadium. Even my wife would go.

 

[78Chief]

And the ugly truth is that if Vegas takes ASU over us, I expect the Holiday would take UCLA, leaving us in the Sun. I could be wrong, because I think WSU fans showed well in our Holiday bowls (even if our team stunk). Cougs show pretty well in Vegas for regular games and for spring break…I think there’d be hordes of us there for a bowl game in the new stadium. Even my wife would go.

I'm pulling for a trip to the Vegas Bowl!

 

[PINGDUDE4]

Yes- the ABC crew just confirmed before signing off. Two wins for OSU and the AC for WSU= Cougs in championship game.

The way the season has gone for the Pac 12 overall it would be entirely fitting to have a 7-5 team in the conference championship game.

WSU has now flipped to a slight favorite ( 1 to 2 pt) and the line for Ore/ Ore. St. has quickly move from Ore. being a 13 pt. fave to now just 7 pts. Have a feeling it is happening.