New executive order...

[95coug]

This one is about voting

Aside from some lengthy narrative about problems that are likely overstated, if they exist at all...I'm pretty much on board with this one.

Some of it is going to be a pain in the ass, because I think it's going to mean that nearly all of us have to register to vote all over again. It requires proof of citizenship (using designated forms of ID) in order to register to vote. It's always been a requirement to be a citizen, but you could get around that in Washington as long as you were willing to check the right box. However, there are only 4 designated forms of ID that are acceptable, and there's a pretty good chance that a lot of people won't have 3 of them (passport, military ID, REAL ID compliant ID). I think you could use a Washington license and a birth certificate (both) but it's not clear on that.

Voter rolls are to be audited for compliance with the above within 90 days.

For federal elections, ballots must be marked and received by the elections office no later than election day. Postmark on mailed ballots isn't acceptable, they've got to be in the courthouse before polls close.

Mail voters must register using a designated form. The Washington form collects basically the same information, but it looks different. I suspect that this is either intended to, or it's step 1 toward, reducing mail-in voting...but I don't see that it does that yet. THe proof of citizenship requirements for mail-in registration are the same as above.

All voting equipment has to be re-certified for compliance with new (2021) standards within 180 days, there are several items about DHS and other agencies improving security and preventing tampering. It also repeal's Biden's EO for increasing access to voting.

Several sections talk about sanctions, mostly centering on withholding federal funding from any state that doesn't fully comply. I'm not sure that holds up to scrutiny on such a broad basis. I think it may be more effective to say that if a state is fully compliant, the feds will pick up the tab for federal elections....since states are carrying most of the burden now.

I've also got some mild concerns about requiring all ballots to be in the courthouse on election day, particularly related to military members stationed overseas. Hard to say how long it'll take some of those to get there and back - I had a friend who was in Okinawa who didn't even get his ballot until the day before the election. Court precedent has so far accepted a postmark before the election, because otherwise you're effectively forcing people to vote on a date different than the statutory first Tuesday in November. I understand the other argument though - with those same ballots, maybe you're accepting a ballot that arrives a week or two after the election.

It doesn't appear in this order, but Trump has also said in the past that the counting should stop when the polls close, or when election day ends, which really isn't feasible in a country that spans 6 time zones and has 170 million people voting. It could be, if we could figure out how to vote electronically...but this order requires a paper record for every voter, so we don't seem to be moving that direction.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Not a fan of ballots having to be in by Election Day, especially if the USPS gets gutted.

Anyone know what it costs for a real ID? I’m still using my passport.

 

[UberCougars]

Pretty sure passport qualifies as a “real id” I like the EO

Did you see this one?

“Congress has the authority to stop providing funding to Federal Courts”

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Pretty sure passport qualifies as a “real id” I like the EO

Did you see this one?

“Congress has the authority to stop providing funding to Federal Courts”

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Johnson is not brilliant.

If you really want to shock the supremes out of their lethargy, this would be the thing that would do it.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

This one is about voting

Aside from some lengthy narrative about problems that are likely overstated, if they exist at all...I'm pretty much on board with this one.

Some of it is going to be a pain in the ass, because I think it's going to mean that nearly all of us have to register to vote all over again. It requires proof of citizenship (using designated forms of ID) in order to register to vote. It's always been a requirement to be a citizen, but you could get around that in Washington as long as you were willing to check the right box. However, there are only 4 designated forms of ID that are acceptable, and there's a pretty good chance that a lot of people won't have 3 of them (passport, military ID, REAL ID compliant ID). I think you could use a Washington license and a birth certificate (both) but it's not clear on that.

Voter rolls are to be audited for compliance with the above within 90 days.

For federal elections, ballots must be marked and received by the elections office no later than election day. Postmark on mailed ballots isn't acceptable, they've got to be in the courthouse before polls close.

Mail voters must register using a designated form. The Washington form collects basically the same information, but it looks different. I suspect that this is either intended to, or it's step 1 toward, reducing mail-in voting...but I don't see that it does that yet. THe proof of citizenship requirements for mail-in registration are the same as above.

All voting equipment has to be re-certified for compliance with new (2021) standards within 180 days, there are several items about DHS and other agencies improving security and preventing tampering. It also repeal's Biden's EO for increasing access to voting.

Several sections talk about sanctions, mostly centering on withholding federal funding from any state that doesn't fully comply. I'm not sure that holds up to scrutiny on such a broad basis. I think it may be more effective to say that if a state is fully compliant, the feds will pick up the tab for federal elections....since states are carrying most of the burden now.

I've also got some mild concerns about requiring all ballots to be in the courthouse on election day, particularly related to military members stationed overseas. Hard to say how long it'll take some of those to get there and back - I had a friend who was in Okinawa who didn't even get his ballot until the day before the election. Court precedent has so far accepted a postmark before the election, because otherwise you're effectively forcing people to vote on a date different than the statutory first Tuesday in November. I understand the other argument though - with those same ballots, maybe you're accepting a ballot that arrives a week or two after the election.

It doesn't appear in this order, but Trump has also said in the past that the counting should stop when the polls close, or when election day ends, which really isn't feasible in a country that spans 6 time zones and has 170 million people voting. It could be, if we could figure out how to vote electronically...but this order requires a paper record for every voter, so we don't seem to be moving that direction.

Yeah, but how does this affect the Cougs?

 

[kougkurt]

Again, common sense

 

[Observer11]

Yeah, but how does this affect the Cougs?

Mostly affects the dead ones in King County.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

This will disproportionately affect poorer people. Having a picture ID isn't required to live in the uSA. It's for privileged scenarios (travel, driving, drinking perhaps etc)

But voting has been essentially deemed a right. Poorer folk will now have to pay to vote.

This is definitely intended to benefit republican candidates. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[fingerdisco]

This will disproportionately affect poorer people. Having a picture ID isn't required to live in the uSA. It's for privileged scenarios (travel, driving, drinking perhaps etc)

But voting has been essentially deemed a right. Poorer folk will now have to pay to vote.

This is definitely intended to benefit republican candidates. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[95coug]

Not a fan of ballots having to be in by Election Day, especially if the USPS gets gutted.

Anyone know what it costs for a real ID? I’m still using my passport.

$73 for a regular license for 4 years, $100 for enhanced license

Pretty sure passport qualifies as a “real id” I like the EO

Did you see this one?

“Congress has the authority to stop providing funding to Federal Courts”

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Passport counts all by itself.

Johnson’s technically right, they could defund some courts. But, while the constitution doesn’t specifically mention funding mechanisms, I’m pretty sure that the requirement to have a judicial branch implies that they need to be funded. I think even Clarence Thomas would go along with that.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

This will disproportionately affect poorer people. Having a picture ID isn't required to live in the uSA. It's for privileged scenarios (travel, driving, drinking perhaps etc)

But voting has been essentially deemed a right. Poorer folk will now have to pay to vote.

This is definitely intended to benefit republican candidates. That's all I have to say about that.

Totally.

No poor people voted R, I'm sure of it.

Except I'm pretty sure all the blue donkeys were screaming about all the poor white trash who were voting for Trump.

 

[mikalalas]

Pretty sure passport qualifies as a “real id” I like the EO

Did you see this one?

“Congress has the authority to stop providing funding to Federal Courts”

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While the Congress can limit, reduce funding to federal courts for budgetary reason, to balance budget, get budget in Black, out of red, because congress holds the purse strings, it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL for Congress to ELIMINATE a federal court.

If Congress could constitutionally eliminate a federal court, the Congress would have eliminated the SCOTUS in the last 200+ years.

The constitution, founding documents, govt laws, etc, say that each of the 3 branches of govt have checks and balances. If the Congress could eliminate federal courts, then the federal Congress, and state Congress would run amok, eliminating courts, passing unconstitutional laws, with no way to stop them, no way to overturn unconstitutional laws, etc.

While I think that courts needa check, balance on their power, the Congress eliminating courts is not a constitutional, acceptable, ok check on courts.

The Supreme Court needs to immediately weigh in on this, and actually rule, make a official statement that that the Congress can't constitutionally eliminate courts.

IF IF IF the Congress UNCONSTITUTIONALLY eliminates federal courts, including the SCOTUS, they will eventually cause RIOTS, COUPS, civil war, cause rebels, revolutionaries, cause violence, cause factions of people to shut down, stop Congress using whatever means, including force, violence, as a ultimate last resort, etc.

That was extremely irresponsible of Congress, etc, to say that Congress can eliminate federal courts, including SCOTUS, since SCOTUS is a federal court.

Well I suppose that's another good reason I am moving to Arizona. If Congress does eliminate courts, I can move to Texas, and Texas will secede, leave, because they are the only state legally allowed to do so, and because Texas won't tolerate Congress eliminating federal courts, SCOTUS, etc.

 

[mikalalas]

This will disproportionately affect poorer people. Having a picture ID isn't required to live in the uSA. It's for privileged scenarios (travel, driving, drinking perhaps etc)

But voting has been essentially deemed a right. Poorer folk will now have to pay to vote.

This is definitely intended to benefit republican candidates. That's all I have to say about that.

What you said is BS. Everything we do requires ID, and ABOUT 96% of people in USA have ID. Ever gone to a grocery store, and bought something with a debit card, and been asked to show ID? I have. Ever bought alcohol, smokes, and had to show ID? Ever gone to a Bar, or a Bar and Grill, etc, and had to show ID?

Also for extremely poor, homeless people, etc, they can get a ID for FREE, CHEAP(er). I know homeless, extremely poor people that have, use ID.

Almost everything requires ID, and almost everyone has ID, can get ID, etc.

About the only ones without ID are weirdos, cave people, that put cash under their mattress, and dont have bank accounts, debit cards, checkbooks, ID's, who conspiracy theorist, hudorites, maybe illegal alien immigrants, maybe green card, immigration visa holders, etc.

ID is necessary to stop voter fraud.

I was at the STA Transit Center, and there was a person taking every Hispanic, every Arab, foreign seeming person to vote. They didn't have any way to prove they were US Citizens. They could have easily been illegal aliens, foreign green card, visa holders, etc. Even if they were citizens, they had no way to show, prove it. A person grabbed them while they were waiting to ride bus, and had them vote.

I know people like you, others will say that their ballots will be thrown out, if they are not citizens.

While that may be true that some of them may be thrown out, at least a couple, few, some will still be counted.

I know that people like you, others say but a couple, few, some getting counted, won't affect the election.

While that is true, that misses the point that not even 1 noncitizen vote should happen, be counted, etc.

Since most to almost all US CITIZENS have ID, and since between ALMOST ALL TO ALL US CITIZENS can get ID, usually semi easily. And since POOR US CITIZENS can get ID FREE, CHEAP. And since ID is almost required for almost everything, etc. Then since that's the case, and to stop voter fraud, etc, it's not unreasonable to require 1 form of acceptable ID to vote.

While that's reasonable, if the president's Executive order require multiple forms of ID, such as having ALL of ID, social security card, passport, birth certificate, etc, that would be unreasonable.

Also it's not enough to have ID required to register to vote. When show up to a voting place to vote, before you vote at voting place, you have to show 1 form of acceptable ID before allowed to vote at the voting place. That would eliminate fraud.

You can stop behaving like, being a bleeding heart LIBTARD.

 

[BiggsCoug]

This will disproportionately affect poorer people. Having a picture ID isn't required to live in the uSA. It's for privileged scenarios (travel, driving, drinking perhaps etc)

But voting has been essentially deemed a right. Poorer folk will now have to pay to vote.

This is definitely intended to benefit republican candidates. That's all I have to say about that.

You are correct. Why find ways to get more people out to vote when you can find ways to limit them? Or, trump up bullshit lies about voter fraud to get the maga morons all worked up about something that doesnt exist! Only the dumbest of Americans are maga.

 

[WillieThePimp]

Totally.

No poor people voted R, I'm sure of it.

Except I'm pretty sure all the blue donkeys were screaming about all the poor white trash who were voting for Trump.

6. Partisanship by family income, home ownership, union membership and veteran status

Democrats have an edge among registered voters in the lowest and highest income tiers, union members and voters who rent their home.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[WillieThePimp]

What you said is BS. Everything we do requires ID, and ABOUT 96% of people in USA have ID. Ever gone to a grocery store, and bought something with a debit card, and been asked to show ID? I have. Ever bought alcohol, smokes, and had to show ID? Ever gone to a Bar, or a Bar and Grill, etc, and had to show ID?

Also for extremely poor, homeless people, etc, they can get a ID for FREE, CHEAP(er). I know homeless, extremely poor people that have, use ID.

Almost everything requires ID, and almost everyone has ID, can get ID, etc.

About the only ones without ID are weirdos, cave people, that put cash under their mattress, and dont have bank accounts, debit cards, checkbooks, ID's, who conspiracy theorist, hudorites, maybe illegal alien immigrants, maybe green card, immigration visa holders, etc.

ID is necessary to stop voter fraud.

I was at the STA Transit Center, and there was a person taking every Hispanic, every Arab, foreign seeming person to vote. They didn't have any way to prove they were US Citizens. They could have easily been illegal aliens, foreign green card, visa holders, etc. Even if they were citizens, they had no way to show, prove it. A person grabbed them while they were waiting to ride bus, and had them vote.

I know people like you, others will say that their ballots will be thrown out, if they are not citizens.

While that may be true that some of them may be thrown out, at least a couple, few, some will still be counted.

I know that people like you, others say but a couple, few, some getting counted, won't affect the election.

While that is true, that misses the point that not even 1 noncitizen vote should happen, be counted, etc.

Since most to almost all US CITIZENS have ID, and since between ALMOST ALL TO ALL US CITIZENS can get ID, usually semi easily. And since POOR US CITIZENS can get ID FREE, CHEAP. And since ID is almost required for almost everything, etc. Then since that's the case, and to stop voter fraud, etc, it's not unreasonable to require 1 form of acceptable ID to vote.

While that's reasonable, if the president's Executive order require multiple forms of ID, such as having ALL of ID, social security card, passport, birth certificate, etc, that would be unreasonable.

Also it's not enough to have ID required to register to vote. When show up to a voting place to vote, before you vote at voting place, you have to show 1 form of acceptable ID before allowed to vote at the voting place. That would eliminate fraud.

You can stop behaving like, being a bleeding heart LIBTARD.

Nope. Never. Only have to show my id at the airport.

You must look pretty sketchy.

 

[kougkurt]

$73 for a regular license for 4 years, $100 for enhanced license


Passport counts all by itself.

Johnson’s technically right, they could defund some courts. But, while the constitution doesn’t specifically mention funding mechanisms, I’m pretty sure that the requirement to have a judicial branch implies that they need to be funded. I think even Clarence Thomas would go along with that.

$18/year. How dare they. Reeks of discrimination

 

[COUGinNCW]

$18/year. How dare they. Reeks of discrimination

It is a pretty ridiculous argument when just about every American has a smart phone. Hell, I’d make them free if you fell below a certain income threshold.

 

[Observer11]

Just chip everyone. At no cost.

 

[WillieThePimp]

$18/year. How dare they. Reeks of discrimination

You clearly don’t deal with or encounter many poor people in any meaningful way. Hope you enjoy your bubble.

 

[Observer11]

You clearly don’t deal with or encounter many poor people in any meaningful way. Hope you enjoy your bubble.

So is your position that if identification verifying a US citizen as being eligible to vote is free, you have no opposition to requiring Voter ID to cast a ballot?

 

[UberCougars]

You encounter poor people who are in the United States legally, who don’t have an ID or cannot get one?

 

[WillieThePimp]

So is your position that if identification verifying a US citizen as being eligible to vote is free, you have no opposition to requiring Voter ID to cast a ballot?

I have never expressed any opinion on voter ID one way or another.

That said neither you or anyone else ranting about voter fraud in this country has ever once been able to demonstrate any remotely statistically significant outcome of voter fraud. Ever. Not from illegals nor from dead people.

You’ve been played. Sucker.

 

[Observer11]

I have never expressed any opinion on voter ID one way or another.

That said neither you or anyone else ranting about voter fraud in this country has ever once been able to demonstrate any remotely statistically significant outcome of voter fraud. Ever. Not from illegals nor from dead people.

You’ve been played. Sucker.

I am not implying voter fraud. This is a basic internal control function that verifies a voter is indeed eligible to vote. Same as when someone writes a check for cash withdrawal at the bank, the teller asks for ID to verify the recipient of the cash is authorized to withdraw funds.

Seems to me that improving proper controls would decrease the perception of voter fraud. Unless there actually was voter fraud and putting common sense safeguards in place would hamper that.

In which case, those who have been distracted by shiny object of cost and racism are the suckers.

 

[UberCougars]

So is your position that if identification verifying a US citizen as being eligible to vote is free, you have no opposition to requiring Voter ID to cast a ballot?

He implied this but doesn’t believe this and if he answers at all, he will spin the issue once again.

Watch.

 

[UberCougars]

I have never expressed any opinion on voter ID one way or another.

That said neither you or anyone else ranting about voter fraud in this country has ever once been able to demonstrate any remotely statistically significant outcome of voter fraud. Ever. Not from illegals nor from dead people.

You’ve been played. Sucker.

Do you believe non-citizens should be allowed to vote?

 

[WillieThePimp]

Seems to me that improving proper controls would decrease the perception of voter fraud. Unless there actually was voter fraud and putting common sense safeguards in place would hamper that.

In which case, those who have been distracted by shiny object of cost and racism are the suckers.

The perception is the fraud that’s been perpetrated on the likes of you.

But sure let’s fix something that isn’t broken and that virtually no one in this country was concerned about prior to 2016.

 

[Observer11]

The perception is the fraud that’s been perpetrated on the likes of you.

But sure let’s fix something that isn’t broken and that virtually no one in this country was concerned about prior to 2016.

I work with Sarbanes Oxley and accounting controls daily. There is a reason those controls are in place - because when they are not, misdeeds occur.

Dino Rossi would disagree with your last statement.

One living US citizen/one vote seems to be the objective, is it not?

 

[95coug]

What you said is BS. Everything we do requires ID, and ABOUT 96% of people in USA have ID. Ever gone to a grocery store, and bought something with a debit card, and been asked to show ID? I have. Ever bought alcohol, smokes, and had to show ID? Ever gone to a Bar, or a Bar and Grill, etc, and had to show ID?

Also for extremely poor, homeless people, etc, they can get a ID for FREE, CHEAP(er). I know homeless, extremely poor people that have, use ID.

Almost everything requires ID, and almost everyone has ID, can get ID, etc.

About the only ones without ID are weirdos, cave people, that put cash under their mattress, and dont have bank accounts, debit cards, checkbooks, ID's, who conspiracy theorist, hudorites, maybe illegal alien immigrants, maybe green card, immigration visa holders, etc.

ID is necessary to stop voter fraud.

I was at the STA Transit Center, and there was a person taking every Hispanic, every Arab, foreign seeming person to vote. They didn't have any way to prove they were US Citizens. They could have easily been illegal aliens, foreign green card, visa holders, etc. Even if they were citizens, they had no way to show, prove it. A person grabbed them while they were waiting to ride bus, and had them vote.

I know people like you, others will say that their ballots will be thrown out, if they are not citizens.

While that may be true that some of them may be thrown out, at least a couple, few, some will still be counted.

I know that people like you, others say but a couple, few, some getting counted, won't affect the election.

While that is true, that misses the point that not even 1 noncitizen vote should happen, be counted, etc.

Since most to almost all US CITIZENS have ID, and since between ALMOST ALL TO ALL US CITIZENS can get ID, usually semi easily. And since POOR US CITIZENS can get ID FREE, CHEAP. And since ID is almost required for almost everything, etc. Then since that's the case, and to stop voter fraud, etc, it's not unreasonable to require 1 form of acceptable ID to vote.

While that's reasonable, if the president's Executive order require multiple forms of ID, such as having ALL of ID, social security card, passport, birth certificate, etc, that would be unreasonable.

Also it's not enough to have ID required to register to vote. When show up to a voting place to vote, before you vote at voting place, you have to show 1 form of acceptable ID before allowed to vote at the voting place. That would eliminate fraud.

You can stop behaving like, being a bleeding heart LIBTARD.

Uh…no. Never been asked for ID when using a debit card. In the days when people used to take your credit card away to pay (like waiters), even though my signature line says “CHECK ID” that only happened about 10% of the time.

Unfortunately, I haven’t had to show ID to buy alcohol in a couple decades. Once, 15ish years ago, I went to a bar with a mixed group of friends. The server came and asked the table for ID. I started reaching for my wallet, he looks at me and says “you’re good.” I don’t think he got a tip.

And, you missed the point. It’s not enough to just have any ID. There are 3 approved IDs, which a hell of a lot less than 96% of people will have. Less than half of people have a passport. Less than 10% have military ID. The number who have a REAL ID compliant card will vary from state to state, but it’s going to be lower than 96%. To use any other form of ID requires a second document that proves citizenship. That isn’t detailed in the order, but I would assume a birth certificate would be one. This will be the avenue for most poor people, because you can’t get a passport, REAL ID, or military ID for free.

Besides…even if there were 96% who had a qualifying ID, there’s no mechanism that allows for disenfranchising 4% of voters.

I don’t have an issue with proving citizenship to register to vote. Being a citizen has always been required, but enforcement hasn’t existed. I think the size of the issue has been overblown, especially in the last 8 years, but whatever. I don’t really have a huge issue with ID at the polls either (although that’s irrelevant in Washington). But, once you’ve proved citizenship while registering, you shouldn’t have to do it again at the polls. Any photo ID that correlates your face and name should be acceptable at that point.

 

[WillieThePimp]

I work with Sarbanes Oxley and accounting controls daily. There is a reason those controls are in place - because when they are not, misdeeds occur.

Dino Rossi would disagree with your last statement.

One living US citizen/one vote seems to be the objective, is it not?

Voter fraud and potential election fraud are not the same thing. Al Gore could tell you all about that.

 

[Observer11]

Voter fraud and potential election fraud are not the same thing. Al Gore could tell you all about that.

So is one living US citizen/one allowable vote the objective or is it not?

 

[CougInSpain]

So is one living US citizen/one allowable vote the objective or is it not?

How dare you apply common sense tactics to safeguard elections...... It's racist!! Everything is RACIST!!

 

[Observer11]

How dare you apply common sense tactics to safeguard elections...... It's racist!! Everything is RACIST!!

I would simply like the agreement of all parties that an individual living US citizen who has met the requirements to vote be afforded one vote. And proper safeguards in place to assure that non-living US citizens, non-US citizens and US citizens who do not meet the requirements to vote are not allowed to do so.

Whether or not Al Gore or Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump or Dino Rossi (two from each party) feel their elections were stolen is irrelevant to the process and controls in place.

 

[WillieThePimp]

So is one living US citizen/one allowable vote the objective or is it not?

Already the case. The statistics bear that out.

 

[WillieThePimp]

How dare you apply common sense tactics to safeguard elections...... It's racist!! Everything is RACIST!!

 

[Flatlandcoug]

So is one living US citizen/one allowable vote the objective or is it not?

You think the answer is simple...but it's not. The objective is one vote per citizen if they are Republican. If they are liberals...let's see what we can do to make it more frustrating to vote. As has been discussed before, a lot of people in larger cities don't have cars and thus, they don't have drivers licenses. They also know that large cities have limited resources for handling these kinds of regulatory requirement changes...increasing the odds that voters will not be able to get registered to vote before an election because of bureaucratic issues. Republicans know that residents of large cities vote more Democrat than not.....so it's a willful choice to make it harder for those people to get registered. All BS aside, Republicans hope to gain an advantage with this order.

That said, I think that we should absolutely make it easier for Americans to get ID's and properly documented so this isn't a discussion. I do think it's better to get everyone eligible a free Voter ID card that just eliminates all of the rhetoric and BS. Instead of spending $18 million per month on golf trips for the Cheeto...let's spend that getting ID's into voters hands.

I'll finish by saying that it's good to see the decision made now instead of two months before elections. At least people have time to deal with it.

 

[UberCougars]

What is complicated about one citizen, one vote?

 

[Coug90]

You think the answer is simple...but it's not. The objective is one vote per citizen if they are Republican. If they are liberals...let's see what we can do to make it more frustrating to vote. As has been discussed before, a lot of people in larger cities don't have cars and thus, they don't have drivers licenses. They also know that large cities have limited resources for handling these kinds of regulatory requirement changes...increasing the odds that voters will not be able to get registered to vote before an election because of bureaucratic issues. Republicans know that residents of large cities vote more Democrat than not.....so it's a willful choice to make it harder for those people to get registered. All BS aside, Republicans hope to gain an advantage with this order.

That said, I think that we should absolutely make it easier for Americans to get ID's and properly documented so this isn't a discussion. I do think it's better to get everyone eligible a free Voter ID card that just eliminates all of the rhetoric and BS. Instead of spending $18 million per month on golf trips for the Cheeto...let's spend that getting ID's into voters hands.

I'll finish by saying that it's good to see the decision made now instead of two months before elections. At least people have time to deal with it.

Voter ID is great. Make it free and make it easy for people. If you want voter ID but you don’t want it to be easy and free to obtain then the idea is BS, you just want to disenfranchise certain voters.

This isn’t that hard. You can renew your license and vehicle tabs and do your banking/ deposit checks on your phone and it doesn’t cost any more.

 

[UberCougars]

Overwhelming majority have a govt issued ID.

For those that can’t (@ 2% of voting age adults) I agree. Pay their fee. Nominal cost for credibility.

 

[mikalalas]

You think the answer is simple...but it's not. The objective is one vote per citizen if they are Republican. If they are liberals...let's see what we can do to make it more frustrating to vote. As has been discussed before, a lot of people in larger cities don't have cars and thus, they don't have drivers licenses. They also know that large cities have limited resources for handling these kinds of regulatory requirement changes...increasing the odds that voters will not be able to get registered to vote before an election because of bureaucratic issues. Republicans know that residents of large cities vote more Democrat than not.....so it's a willful choice to make it harder for those people to get registered. All BS aside, Republicans hope to gain an advantage with this order.

That said, I think that we should absolutely make it easier for Americans to get ID's and properly documented so this isn't a discussion. I do think it's better to get everyone eligible a free Voter ID card that just eliminates all of the rhetoric and BS. Instead of spending $18 million per month on golf trips for the Cheeto...let's spend that getting ID's into voters hands.

I'll finish by saying that it's good to see the decision made now instead of two months before elections. At least people have time to deal with it.

THAT'S BS.

I don't drive. I don't have a driver's license. I get 16k per year. I am financially poor. I have a WA state, STATE ENHANCED ID CARD.

Yes it cost me about $100, and was a inconvenience, and I had to budget for it.

But since homeless people, etc, have $150+ Smartphones, they can also afford a ID card, whether Driver's License, State ID card, etc.

And if they can't afford it because they choose to buy a $750 phone, etc, instead, or because they do drugs, etc, because they are like Beavis and Butthead, and are Beavis and Butthead types, then they choose that over voting, and dont deserve to vote, and shouldn't vote, and aren't qualified to vote, etc.