Official & Unofficial game thread of Texas Tech at WSU

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I think saying the Apple Cup no longer exists makes our fan base look like crybabies. As if we wouldn't have done the exact same thing to UW if we had the opportunity to join the B!G without them.

Geezus, its not that hard to understand.

Its not in November.
We no longer get an opportunity to play spoiler.
We are a cupcake/ speed bump on their way to a CFP berth.
Even if we're good and they are not, it has no weight as far as season out comes because a) its early and b) its non-con.

This game has lost all meaning and value that it previously had, save we might make a couple of bucks from TV revenue for being a P4 bodybag game.

Why devalue the Apple Cup by naming this new matchup the same thing when its not even close? Hell, UW hasn't considered us a rival for 20 years - its been Oregon.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Geezus, its not that hard to understand.

Its not in November.
We no longer get an opportunity to play spoiler.
We are a cupcake/ speed bump on their way to a CFP berth.
Even if we're good and they are not, it has no weight as far as season out comes because a) its early and b) its non-con.

This game has lost all meaning and value that it previously had, save we might make a couple of bucks from TV revenue for being a P4 bodybag game.

Why devalue the Apple Cup by naming this new matchup the same thing when its not even close? Hell, UW hasn't considered us a rival for 20 years - its been Oregon.

One point here. We are trying to beg our way (back) into the P4, but this is a P4 "bodybag" game? mutts are ranked #22 in coaches poll, unranked in the other. So what makes this a bodybag game? And for that matter, does that mean any decent away P4 opponent mean it's a bodybag game? If so, why do we want to get back in?

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

One point here. We are trying to beg our way (back) into the P4, but this is a P4 "bodybag" game? mutts are ranked #22 in coaches poll, unranked in the other. So what makes this a bodybag game? And for that matter, does that mean any decent away P4 opponent mean it's a bodybag game? If so, why do we want to get back in?

We've always been smaller and less talented than almost every other school we've played with few exceptions. The difference has been more severe with traditional blue blood teams.

Unless we get a P4 invite within the next year or two, the difference will become worse as we then begin to recruit (even though we already are to some extent) out of the G5 pool instead of the P4 pool.

Sorry to be so negative about the state of the program - I still root hard for the Cougs - but I really don't see a light (P4 invite) at the end of the tunnel, and we aren't the big swinging d!ck a lot of people think we are compared to the MWC either.

 

[Coug90]

Get-ins down to $62

By Friday you’ll be able to get tix for $30. My Husky brother bought his for like $150 right when they came out. Apparently he didn’t notice all the empty seats in Husky stadium even during the midst of a historic season.

 

[CougPatrol]

I don't see the talent difference between UW and WSU moving forward becoming any different than it's been the past 50 years. They've always held massive advantages over us. They've won 70% of the Apple Cups. Last year they were in the National Championship game and proceeded to lose over 30 players and their head coach to the portal/greener pastures. That threat will always be there for them because they play in Seattle. They're not a blue blood. Good coaches will leave them. Good players will leave them.

We would be fools to walk away from the Apple Cup.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

I don't see the talent difference between UW and WSU moving forward becoming any different than it's been the past 50 years. They've always held massive advantages over us. They've won 70% of the Apple Cups. Last year they were in the National Championship game and proceeded to lose over 30 players and their head coach to the portal/greener pastures. That threat will always be there for them because they play in Seattle. They're not a blue blood. Good coaches will leave them. Good players will leave them.

We would be fools to walk away from the Apple Cup.

I wouldn't refer to it as the rivalry's former name anymore. That went by the wayside when they left the conference and tradition behind.

 

[425cougfan]

I don't see the talent difference between UW and WSU moving forward becoming any different than it's been the past 50 years. They've always held massive advantages over us. They've won 70% of the Apple Cups. Last year they were in the National Championship game and proceeded to lose over 30 players and their head coach to the portal/greener pastures. That threat will always be there for them because they play in Seattle. They're not a blue blood. Good coaches will leave them. Good players will leave them.

We would be fools to walk away from the Apple Cup.

I don't think it will be as different as some may expect, but that's mostly because WSU recruiting was near the bottom of the Pac-12 anyway, and was more like G of 5 level with a bad head coach. There is still a massive difference from lower-end but still legitimate power conference level to average G of 5 level. It isn't like WSU could expect to be a dominant program in the MWC or to easily outrecruit the top programs in that conference over time simply due to trying to beat out cities that aren't backwaters, and in some cases are pretty enticing (e.g., San Diego, Vegas), with Pullman. Couple that with the portal and unfettered transfers with NIL money largely powering it and you can expect to see a lot of UW games shaping up as top-15 talent vs. top-65 talent in a G of 5 or similar scenario for WSU. Does this differ that much from top-15 vs. top-45? Depends on how much you like winning 1 out of 8 instead of 1 out of 3. The past decade has pretty much been like that anyway, as we all are well aware.

 

[Cougini5591]

If we will have gone undefeated this year vs. having 1 loss to the soul sucking ass sniffers... I can tell you where to stick the "having our home game at their house".

And if ANYONE thinks this upcoming game isn't a home game for fuw... start wearing 5 layers of covid masks with 8 virus shots per year while standing 6ft apart.

THIS

GAME

IS

DUMB

 

[Loyal Coug1]

If we will have gone undefeated this year vs. having 1 loss to the soul sucking ass sniffers... I can tell you where to stick the "having our home game at their house".

And if ANYONE thinks this upcoming game isn't a home game for fuw... start wearing 5 layers of covid masks with 8 virus shots per year while standing 6ft apart.

THIS

GAME

IS

DUMB

Ok, while I don't like it any better than anyone else, WSU had had (and still has) ample time to make it a 50/50 stadium. Hell our 50% "allotment is more than Martin Stadium holds. Think on that.
And the series got turned on it's head into a Lumen game, then home and home for the next 4. So 3 for 2 if you want to consider Lumen a home game for the mutts. Would be interesting to know what the financial split is for those home and homes, since muttville holds twice as many fans as Martin.

To the previous post, the series has been 3-12 since Husky Killer graduated. Hard to believe we went 3-1 in the 4 prior years. 4-1 if you count Wulff's first year (part of the 3-12).

 

[dgibbons]

I think saying the Apple Cup no longer exists makes our fan base look like crybabies. As if we wouldn't have done the exact same thing to UW if we had the opportunity to join the B!G without them.

The Pac-12 doesn't really exist either. Sure, there is a non-profit corporation that still exists. But the league is gone.

Am I a crybaby?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

The Pac-12 doesn't really exist either. Sure, there is a non-profit corporation that still exists. But the league is gone.

Am I a crybaby?

Opinions vary.... . Some would just say you act like a spoiled child.

 

[dgibbons]

By Friday you’ll be able to get tix for $30. My Husky brother bought his for like $150 right when they came out. Apparently he didn’t notice all the empty seats in Husky stadium even during the midst of a historic season.

Historic because they haven't been put on probation yet. That is indeed history making.

 

[Cougini5591]

Ok, while I don't like it any better than anyone else, WSU had had (and still has) ample time to make it a 50/50 stadium. Hell our 50% "allotment is more than Martin Stadium holds. Think on that.
And the series got turned on it's head into a Lumen game, then home and home for the next 4. So 3 for 2 if you want to consider Lumen a home game for the mutts. Would be interesting to know what the financial split is for those home and homes, since muttville holds twice as many fans as Martin.

To the previous post, the series has been 3-12 since Husky Killer graduated. Hard to believe we went 3-1 in the 4 prior years. 4-1 if you count Wulff's first year (part of the 3-12).

Traveling 5 hours on a bus (or pissing money away by flying) to get to a Home game in Satan's backyard is as Ludacris as Speeding through the galaxy in Spaceballs

 

[mikalalas]

Geezus, its not that hard to understand.

Its not in November.
We no longer get an opportunity to play spoiler.
We are a cupcake/ speed bump on their way to a CFP berth.
Even if we're good and they are not, it has no weight as far as season out comes because a) its early and b) its non-con.

This game has lost all meaning and value that it previously had, save we might make a couple of bucks from TV revenue for being a P4 bodybag game.

Why devalue the Apple Cup by naming this new matchup the same thing when its not even close? Hell, UW hasn't considered us a rival for 20 years - its been Oregon.

You do realize that if WSU beats UW, and or 4 out of 5 of Texas Tech, UW, BSU, Fresno St. SDSU, and goes 11-1, that WSU will get 1 of the 12 CFP spots, and might probably win the first round game before losing 2nd Round game to Georgia, etc.

In that way, sense, the UW game does have meaning, and WSU's chances of beating UW, is about 50.5%. And WSU's chances of going 11-1, going to CFP, if beat UW, is about 53% to 56% to 59% to 63% to 67%.

 

[CougPatrol]

I don't consider this a home game for UW. It's a different stadium, different pregame routine, we'll have at least 20K fans there (should be more), and our players are going to be pumped up to play in an elite NFL stdium.

There are a lot of reasons why we might lose on Saturday, but it's not because UW has a home field advantage.

 

[Coug90]

You do realize that if WSU beats UW, and or 4 out of 5 of Texas Tech, UW, BSU, Fresno St. SDSU, and goes 11-1, that WSU will get 1 of the 12 CFP spots, and might probably win the first round game before losing 2nd Round game to Georgia, etc.

In that way, sense, the UW game does have meaning, and WSU's chances of beating UW, is about 50.5%. And WSU's chances of going 11-1, going to CFP, if beat UW, is about 53% to 56% to 59% to 63% to 67%.

We may not be playing the best team in the MWC. UNLV looks legit.

Boise States running back is a load though.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

You do realize that if WSU beats UW, and or 4 out of 5 of Texas Tech, UW, BSU, Fresno St. SDSU, and goes 11-1, that WSU will get 1 of the 12 CFP spots, and might probably win the first round game before losing 2nd Round game to Georgia, etc.

In that way, sense, the UW game does have meaning, and WSU's chances of beating UW, is about 50.5%. And WSU's chances of going 11-1, going to CFP, if beat UW, is about 53% to 56% to 59% to 63% to 67%.

Way too early to think WSU would be the top rated G5 team. Most of them are back east and the bias is real.

 

[M-I-Coug]

I don't consider this a home game for UW. It's a different stadium, different pregame routine, we'll have at least 20K fans there (should be more), and our players are going to be pumped up to play in an elite NFL stdium.

There are a lot of reasons why we might lose on Saturday, but it's not because UW has a home field advantage.

Agreed. Yes, there will be a lot of local Dawg fans there....a lot.....but it's SEA-LOSER Stadium. I mean Lumen. No big deal, just a bigger stadium.

 

[95coug]

Agreed. Yes, there will be a lot of local Dawg fans there....a lot.....but it's SEA-LOSER Stadium. I mean Lumen. No big deal, just a bigger stadium.

Based on another look at the tickets site, the biggest difference will be that there will be a lot more empty seats.

Sales did pick up, but you can still pretty much sit wherever you want. There's no shortage of available seats.

 

[M-I-Coug]

Based on another look at the tickets site, the biggest difference will be that there will be a lot more empty seats.

Sales did pick up, but you can still pretty much sit wherever you want. There's no shortage of available seats.

I think the biggest gripe of complain is the ticket prices. Way too high. They should at a minimum cut them in half to get fans to open up their wallets and go.

 

[95coug]

I think the biggest gripe of complain is the ticket prices. Way too high. They should at a minimum cut them in half to get fans to open up their wallets and go.

Definitely. The seats that are still available are all way too expensive. Even the 3rd deck ones in a corner are $95. Getting down to the 2nd deck is $200 each. Doesn't help that Ticketmaster adds a fortune in fees.

Cost is certainly a factor, but I think the biggest problem is this: Seattle games suck. Pretty much always have. The first one was OK because that was a great team and it was a new stadium. After that, the best thing about the Seattle games was the Grambling band. None of the games were good, attendance fell off quickly, the supposed ability to draw top-level opponents never materialized, we never landed significant recruits because of it, and there's zero evidence that we drew in either new fans or revenue that offset the cost of the game.

I just read a ranked list of the Seattle games on Brand Z, written in 2014 when the end of those games was announced...and I agree with it. THe best year of the SEattle game era was 2010...when we didn't play there. Their reasoning is spot-on:

"I know this may feel petty, but are there any games in the previous 11 you'd put at #1 in anything? Was there a single time you walked out of Seahawks Stadium thinking "I'm glad I did that. That was worth the money." Of course you haven't. You're going out of obligation, not because you actually want to go. When I watched the game from the hospital last year, the first thing I learned was "I do not miss being at this game". All the hand-wringing over attendance and the lack of loyalty from Cougar fans is kind of silly. The product is not compelling and we're trying to guilt people into giving up their time and money to attend a game that has never been an enjoyable experience, even when the team is good."

 

[CougPatrol]

Based on another look at the tickets site, the biggest difference will be that there will be a lot more empty seats.

Sales did pick up, but you can still pretty much sit wherever you want. There's no shortage of available seats.

Ticket sales have ramped up dramatically today and will continue throughout the week. I expect a crowd of 55K by kickoff.

 

[M-I-Coug]

Ticket sales have ramped up dramatically today and will continue throughout the week. I expect a crowd of 55K by kickoff.

Ticket prices are expected to be significantly slashed on Saturday morning.