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8-4 is the ceiling in my viewpoint. The only two games that we are likely to be significant underdogs are UW and Ole Miss. Below in green and blue are the wins that I would expect if we go 8-4 but it could be any mix of games. The blue games that we have to win if Rogers is to be taken seriously as coach. 2024 records in parentheses We would need to split the other four "green" games to finish 6-6. If he can't do that, it's a concern. 10-2 or 11-1 would not be a shocking finish (but it won't happen). We're obviously not firing Rogers after year one no matter how the season goes though. Our losing streak last year means that every game is suspect and buys him some time. Ironically, @ James Madison might be our toughest game of the year other than Ole Miss.

Idaho (10-4)
SDSU (3-9)
@ North Texas (6-7)
UW (6-7)

@ CSU (8-5)
@ Ole Miss (10-3)
@ Virginia (5-7)
Toledo (8-5)
@ OSU (5-7)

La Tech (5-8)
@ JMU (9-4)
OSU (5-7)

We have seven games against teams with losing records last year. Nobody knows how this year's team (or our opponents) will be, but if we can play to the level that we played in the first half of 2024 for the entire season, this schedule has a lot of wins available. Don't suck and it's going to be fun. If this team plays like it did to finish the season in 2024, we are hosed.

If we were to come out flat against Idaho and lose, all bets are off. I just don't see that happening though.
I agree that a split with OSU is the most likely outcome.
You have us winning the other home games except UW.
That adds up to 5 wins.
To end up with 7 wins (my guess) that means we have to win 2 out of the 6 road games.
I understand where you are coming from in saying the JMU road game will be tough, but I'm going to suggest that a game that late in the season will come down to injuries, and we will probably have more depth than they do since they are FCS. So a late season game probably favors us, as opposed to playing them early.
N Texas, CSU and Virginia will all be tougher at home than they would be if they were on the road, but they are all beatable.

I think we win at least 6 and more likely 7. And I hope that UW comes into our game overconfident, as per usual.
 
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I agree that a split with OSU is the most likely outcome.
You have us winning the other home games except UW.
That adds up to 5 wins.
To end up with 7 wins (my guess) that means we have to win 2 out of the 6 road games.
I understand where you are coming from in saying the JMU road game will be tough, but I'm going to suggest that a game that late in the season will come down to injuries, and we will probably have more depth than they do since they are FCS. So a late season game probably favors us, as opposed to playing them early.
N Texas, CSU and Virginia will all be tougher at home than they would be if they were on the road, but they are all beatable.

I think we win at least 6 and more likely 7. And I hope that UW comes into our game overconfident, as per usual.
I think a successful season is winning 6 games. A great season is also beating the uw. It is possible the 7th win could be the bowl game where we finish the season 7-6.
 
I agree that a split with OSU is the most likely outcome.
You have us winning the other home games except UW.
That adds up to 5 wins.
To end up with 7 wins (my guess) that means we have to win 2 out of the 6 road games.
I understand where you are coming from in saying the JMU road game will be tough, but I'm going to suggest that a game that late in the season will come down to injuries, and we will probably have more depth than they do since they are FCS. So a late season game probably favors us, as opposed to playing them early.
N Texas, CSU and Virginia will all be tougher at home than they would be if they were on the road, but they are all beatable.

I think we win at least 6 and more likely 7. And I hope that UW comes into our game overconfident, as per usual.
I think JMU made thenjumpnto FBS last season...so...could be tough. That's all I have to say about that
 
Leach was 3-9, 6-7 and 3-9 (12-25) his first three years at WSU.

Not sure why we shouldn’t grant Rogers the same latitude.

I don't think Roger's will finish 4-8 or lower, his first 1,2,3 years, or anytime after that.

Roger's only gets 1,2, 4,5 win or lower seasons, his first 1,2 years, because quite frankly 1. He Roger's own personal standard of WSU being a playoff, national contender. 2. Roger's history of National Championships suggest that he might probably have a higher floor, ceiling then Leach. 3. Roger's, WSU can't afford even 1
4-8, 3-9, 2-10, etc, season, and can only afford 1, 5-7 season, because if WSU has more then 1, 5-7 seasons, and more then 1,
4-8, 3-9, 2-10 seasons, WSU could easily cause the PAC 12 to not get a good 8th football member, which could cause PAC 12 to get a lower media deal in future. And WSU's poor performance would, could cause TV viewership to go down, and for WSU to not get invited to ACC, Big 12 in future. And WSU, PAC 12 poor performance could cause WSU, PAC 12 to get less CFP money, downgraded, as a program, etc, during the 2028 CFP look in evaluation. And that could cause WSU recruiting, program to go into a hole that might not be able to ever recover from. And WSU might get kicked out of PAC 12, and might have to join Big West, WAC, Big Sky, might end up like Idaho.

All those negative consequences of poor performance by WSU would be unacceptable.

It's absolutely critical to WSU's, PAC 12's very survival, etc, that WSU wins at least 5 games, and a range of 5,6,7 games, or if doesn't do at least that, only goes 4-8 at worst, year only, which first year he, Roger's gets a pass.

2nd year Roger's WSU has to at least get 5,6,7 wins. If Roger's goes 4-8, 3-9, 2-10 his 2nd year after a 4-8, 3-9, 2-10 first year, he Roger's would need to be FIRED.

If Roger's wins 6,7,8 games his first year, and then goes 4-8, but no worse then that his 2nd year after winning 6,7,8 games his first year, then he Roger's gets a pass for 2nd year. And if Roger's goes 4-8 3rd year After 4-8 2nd year, after 6,7,8 win first year, then FIRED.

Roger's has to win at least 6,7,8,9 wins in a season in at least 3 out of first 5 seasons, and only go no worse then 4-8, and go 4-8, for only 2 seasons out of first 5 seasons at worst, and can't have back to back 4-8 seasons in first 5 seasons.

Anything less, worse then that and he has to be fired, replaced with a better coach, because of how absolutely CRITICAL THE NEXT 2,3,4 SEASONS will be for WSU.

If Roger's has bad seasons his first 2 seasons, he has to be fired, replaced by a better coach, and if that happens, the replacement coach needs to be a semi name coach like a semi Leach, and if that replacement coach for a fired Rogers has a bad 1st year, in 2027-2028, after a Rogers bad seasons in 2025-2026, 2026-2027 seasons, then needs to be fired, replaced again

WSU Just can't have 3,4 bad seasons in a row by either Roger's, or Between Roger's and a Replacement coach, so if WSU has 3 bad seasons in rows, in first 3 years from now, by, between Roger's, and a replacement coach for Roger's, then the Replacement coach for Roger's needs to be fired, replaced, and WSU, that coach ABSOLUTELY MUST have a successful first season, as WSU ABSOLUELY MUST NOT HAVE 4 BAD SEASONS IN A ROW, AS THAT WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE, INTOLERABLE, INEXCUSABLE, ETC.

If WSU goes 4-8, 4 seasons in row between Rogers and 1,2 replacement coaches for Roger's, WSU will end up in Big West, WAC, Big Sky, etc.

That's how absolutely critical the next 1,2,3,4 seasons will be for WSU.

WSU Admin, Pres, Board of Regents, AD, coach, fans, players, etc, JUST CAN NOT AFFORD TO, ABSOLUTELY MUST NOT HAVE THE AH SHUCKS, LITTLE OLE POOR OLE WSU LOSER MENTALITY, LOW STANDARDS, etc,

There needs to be higher standards, higher accountability, zero tolerance for prolonged failure, etc. ESPECIALLY AT THIS ABSOLUTE CRITICAL TIME between now and 2028, during the CRISIS that PAC 12, WSU has, is going thru.

If Leach was coach instead of Roger's, then Leach would be held to same standard, accountability during this critical time, semi crisis.

Leach wasnt coach during PAC 12, WSU semi crisis, so Leach didn't need to be held to the same standard, accountability that Roger's, etc, held to.

Fair or not, that's the way it needs to be.

And if WSU Board of Regents, WSU Pres, WSU AD, won't have that standard, accountability, then they should be fired too. And that goes for not only Schultz, Anne, but also Any new Pres, AD, etc, between now and 2029.
 
Mik, please condense your posts so I can read them without getting a headache. I like your points, but I can only take so much at a time...my problem...
 
Leach was 3-9, 6-7 and 3-9 (12-25) his first three years at WSU.

Not sure why we shouldn’t grant Rogers the same latitude.
The fact that everyone is pretty much rebuilding their rosters every year with the portal and NIL I think changes the expectation window a bit. You can plug in upper classmen anywhere you have holes and not have to wait for your first recruiting classes to fill out their uniforms before you can compete.

That said he at least gets a year. If he’s the right guy we should be competing with everyone in ‘26 and beating the teams we should beat. I don’t really care what the results are next year as long as kids are acclimating and there’s marked improvement from game 1 to 12.
 
The Cougs beat out Boise State for QB Dalton Anderson from Roosevelt High School in Seattle. He only started playing QB a few years ago, so he may be a late bloomer. Cougs have two incoming QB's with Owen Eshelman also committed. The Cougs needed two after Evans Chuba transferred and Steele Pizzella followed Dickert to WF.
 
Mik, please condense your posts so I can read them without getting a headache. I like your points, but I can only take so much at a time...my problem...
I had Chat GTP sum it up for you:

This text discusses the high expectations and critical importance of performance for WSU's football program, particularly under head coach Roger's leadership. The writer argues that WSU cannot afford multiple losing seasons, especially as the future of the PAC-12 and WSU's standing in college football are at stake.

Roger's must win at least 5 games in his first two seasons and should not have consecutive losing seasons (4-8 or worse) in the first 5 years. If performance drops below this threshold, Roger's should be fired and replaced by a higher-caliber coach. The text emphasizes the urgency of WSU's situation and the need for strong accountability across the university administration, coaching staff, and support systems. The writer stresses that failure to meet these expectations could lead to WSU being downgraded to a lesser conference, impacting recruiting, finances, and overall program viability. The pressure on Roger's is much higher than it would have been for previous coaches like Leach due to the current crisis the PAC-12 and WSU face.
 
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I had Chat GTP sum it up for you:

This text discusses the high expectations and critical importance of performance for WSU's football program, particularly under head coach Roger's leadership. The writer argues that WSU cannot afford multiple losing seasons, especially as the future of the PAC-12 and WSU's standing in college football are at stake.

Roger's must win at least 5 games in his first two seasons and should not have consecutive losing seasons (4-8 or worse) in the first 5 years. If performance drops below this threshold, Roger's should be fired and replaced by a higher-caliber coach. The text emphasizes the urgency of WSU's situation and the need for strong accountability across the university administration, coaching staff, and support systems. The writer stresses that failure to meet these expectations could lead to WSU being downgraded to a lesser conference, impacting recruiting, finances, and overall program viability. The pressure on Roger's is much higher than it would have been for previous coaches like Leach due to the current crisis the PAC-12 and WSU face.
I just went chat GTP, and it’s down for some reason.😉
 
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I had Chat GTP sum it up for you:

This text discusses the high expectations and critical importance of performance for WSU's football program, particularly under head coach Roger's leadership. The writer argues that WSU cannot afford multiple losing seasons, especially as the future of the PAC-12 and WSU's standing in college football are at stake.

Roger's must win at least 5 games in his first two seasons and should not have consecutive losing seasons (4-8 or worse) in the first 5 years. If performance drops below this threshold, Roger's should be fired and replaced by a higher-caliber coach. The text emphasizes the urgency of WSU's situation and the need for strong accountability across the university administration, coaching staff, and support systems. The writer stresses that failure to meet these expectations could lead to WSU being downgraded to a lesser conference, impacting recruiting, finances, and overall program viability. The pressure on Roger's is much higher than it would have been for previous coaches like Leach due to the current crisis the PAC-12 and WSU face.
I had to use that new high powered Chinese version to run all the probabilities of a mik post.

It's still thinking.
 
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Mik, please condense your posts so I can read them without getting a headache. I like your points, but I can only take so much at a time...my problem...
I got you. Hey grok…

### Summary of Key Points:

**The Imperative of Success for Washington State University (WSU) Football:**

1. **Performance Expectations for Coach Roger:**
- In his initial tenure, Coach Roger's performance benchmarks are stringent. He must avoid seasons with records like 4-8 or lower, especially beyond his first two years, when the expectation is to secure at least 5-7 wins per season. His first year might be excused for a lower performance, but subsequent years demand a marked improvement.

2. **Historical Context and Standards:**
- Roger's personal standards elevate WSU's expectations, aiming for national contention, reflecting his history with National Championships. This suggests a higher performance threshold than that set by previous coaches like Leach.

3. **Consequences of Poor Performance:**
- Subpar seasons could jeopardize WSU's standing within the PAC-12, potentially affecting the conference's media deal, TV viewership, and financial allocations from the College Football Playoff (CFP). Such outcomes could lead to diminished recruiting prospects and even relegation to lesser conferences like the Big West, WAC, or Big Sky.

4. **Accountability and Leadership:**
- There is an urgent call for high accountability from all levels of WSU's administration, including the Board of Regents, President, and Athletic Director. The narrative underscores a zero-tolerance policy for failure, emphasizing the critical nature of the next few seasons for the institution's future in collegiate sports.

5. **Strategic Implications:**
- If Roger fails to meet these ambitious targets, his dismissal is suggested, with the subsequent coach needing to be a notable figure capable of immediate success. The succession plan is fraught with urgency, as back-to-back poor seasons could be catastrophic.

6. **Broader Context:**
- The discussion frames the current scenario as a semi-crisis for both WSU and the PAC-12, where only high performance can secure the university's place in competitive college football and ensure the conference's stability.

This analysis paints a picture of a pivotal moment for WSU, where the stakes involve not just sports but the broader strategic positioning of the university and its conference. The narrative is one of high stakes, where every game could dictate the institution's trajectory in the complex ecosystem of college athletics.
 
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I got you. Hey grok…

### Summary of Key Points:

**The Imperative of Success for Washington State University (WSU) Football:**

1. **Performance Expectations for Coach Roger:**
- In his initial tenure, Coach Roger's performance benchmarks are stringent. He must avoid seasons with records like 4-8 or lower, especially beyond his first two years, when the expectation is to secure at least 5-7 wins per season. His first year might be excused for a lower performance, but subsequent years demand a marked improvement.

2. **Historical Context and Standards:**
- Roger's personal standards elevate WSU's expectations, aiming for national contention, reflecting his history with National Championships. This suggests a higher performance threshold than that set by previous coaches like Leach.

3. **Consequences of Poor Performance:**
- Subpar seasons could jeopardize WSU's standing within the PAC-12, potentially affecting the conference's media deal, TV viewership, and financial allocations from the College Football Playoff (CFP). Such outcomes could lead to diminished recruiting prospects and even relegation to lesser conferences like the Big West, WAC, or Big Sky.

4. **Accountability and Leadership:**
- There is an urgent call for high accountability from all levels of WSU's administration, including the Board of Regents, President, and Athletic Director. The narrative underscores a zero-tolerance policy for failure, emphasizing the critical nature of the next few seasons for the institution's future in collegiate sports.

5. **Strategic Implications:**
- If Roger fails to meet these ambitious targets, his dismissal is suggested, with the subsequent coach needing to be a notable figure capable of immediate success. The succession plan is fraught with urgency, as back-to-back poor seasons could be catastrophic.

6. **Broader Context:**
- The discussion frames the current scenario as a semi-crisis for both WSU and the PAC-12, where only high performance can secure the university's place in competitive college football and ensure the conference's stability.

This analysis paints a picture of a pivotal moment for WSU, where the stakes involve not just sports but the broader strategic positioning of the university and its conference. The narrative is one of high stakes, where every game could dictate the institution's trajectory in the complex ecosystem of college athletics.
I love that Grok used the word “semi” 😂
 
The fact that everyone is pretty much rebuilding their rosters every year with the portal and NIL I think changes the expectation window a bit. You can plug in upper classmen anywhere you have holes and not have to wait for your first recruiting classes to fill out their uniforms before you can compete.

That said he at least gets a year. If he’s the right guy we should be competing with everyone in ‘26 and beating the teams we should beat. I don’t really care what the results are next year as long as kids are acclimating and there’s marked improvement from game 1 to 12.

If he is 0-12, 1-11, 2-10 in 1st season, then and only then fire him after that 1st season.
 
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