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Coug-A-Tron (R.I.P) used to speculate about building an 80,000-seat stadium in Ellensburg as a way to attract more fans to the games.

The diehard 20,000+ Cougs in Greater Spokane might not like the longer drive, but gotta figure the "Wet Sider" turnout would jump significantly if it wasn't a 5-hour haul to Pullman seven times a year.

Seemed like a little bit of pipe dream, but who knows what might happen 30-40 years from now?
 
Coug-A-Tron (R.I.P) used to speculate about building an 80,000-seat stadium in Ellensburg as a way to attract more fans to the games.

The diehard 20,000+ Cougs in Greater Spokane might not like the longer drive, but gotta figure the "Wet Sider" turnout would jump significantly if it wasn't a 5-hour haul to Pullman seven times a year.

Seemed like a little bit of pipe dream, but who knows what might happen 30-40 years from now?

Nothing will happen. In fact, because WSU and it’s poverty enablers have gotten their way, WSU’s lack of investment in its football program will be why it gets bounced from Power 5 altogether. Literally pissed away the tens of millions in tv $.

F’ing morons run WSU.

We’ve never done it that way.
That’s what THEY do.
We aren’t THEM.
We’ve always done it this way.

All things that kill businesses. Ever see “Bar Rescue?” Taffer has a saying. “I don’t embrace excuses.” That sums up WSU perfectly.

WSU embraces excuses.

702 yards given up to the uw should have been an immediate firing of the entire defensive staff. But not at WSU. WSU is no linger the Cougars. They’re the “Excuses.”

Go!!!
Excuses!!!!!
 
Coug-A-Tron (R.I.P) used to speculate about building an 80,000-seat stadium in Ellensburg as a way to attract more fans to the games.

The diehard 20,000+ Cougs in Greater Spokane might not like the longer drive, but gotta figure the "Wet Sider" turnout would jump significantly if it wasn't a 5-hour haul to Pullman seven times a year.

Seemed like a little bit of pipe dream, but who knows what might happen 30-40 years from now?
Nobody’s ever building a WSU stadium in Ellensburg to be used 5-6 weekends a year, for the same reason nobody’s building hotels in Pullman to be used 5-6 weekends a year.

I’ve never seen evidence of 20K Coug fans in Spokane. They may have gotten close when they could go just down the road to Joe Albi once in the spring (and spend the whole time in the beer garden), but Pullman, historically, is too far for most of them to go.
 
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Coug-A-Tron (R.I.P) used to speculate about building an 80,000-seat stadium in Ellensburg as a way to attract more fans to the games.

The diehard 20,000+ Cougs in Greater Spokane might not like the longer drive, but gotta figure the "Wet Sider" turnout would jump significantly if it wasn't a 5-hour haul to Pullman seven times a year.

Seemed like a little bit of pipe dream, but who knows what might happen 30-40 years from now?
Did Tron pass away? That is sad. How old was he?
 
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Nothing will happen. In fact, because WSU and it’s poverty enablers have gotten their way, WSU’s lack of investment in its football program will be why it gets bounced from Power 5 altogether.

WSU and OSU can go to the Big 12 with Colo, Ariz, Ariz St and Utah if Dr. Schulz and the rest of the presidents decide the TV offer isn't good enough (but Dr. Schulz was confident a couple weeks it would be good enough)
 
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Did Tron pass away?

Either that or worse — got married.

Tron was a prolific and numbers-driven poster with unwavering loyalty to the Cougs before dropping outta sight.

Kind of like Biggsy's brother from another mother minus the barroom brawler persona

Hopefully Tron will either come back from the dead or come to his senses and return to CougZone.

His enthusiasm is missed
 
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Adding 10k seats will cost at least $20M with virtually 0 return on investment. It will have to be done with donor funds due to the present massive deficit. If those donations were actually out there, which I doubt they are based on how long it’s taken to fund the IPF they’d be better spent on NIL buying players ( as sickening as that thought is to me).
 
Adding 10k seats will cost at least $20M with virtually 0 return on investment. It will have to be done with donor funds due to the present massive deficit. If those donations were actually out there, which I doubt they are based on how long it’s taken to fund the IPF they’d be better spent on NIL buying players ( as sickening as that thought is to me).

What is the return on investment from being forced out of Power 5 football because your stadium is JV?
 
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WSU and OSU can go to the Big 12 with Colo, Ariz, Ariz St and Utah if Dr. Schulz and the rest of the presidents decide the TV offer isn't good enough (but Dr. Schulz was confident a couple weeks it would be good enough)

Can they? Does the Big 12 need a school with a JV stadium?
 
Does the Big 12 need a school with a JV stadium?

The Big XII needs a school with a big TV brand like WSU.

The Cougs do very well in the Nelson ratings year after year ... the kind of thing that keeps media partners happy and eager to renew their contracts.

By all means, Doc Schultz should make a promise to expand Martin Stadium to 60,000-plus just as Biggs, ini5591, Tron and others have lobbied.

In the meantime, let's hope he and Chan are leveraging the new Pac-12 media deal against a Big XII opportunity to ensure WSU the very best agreement dollar-wise
 
Either that or worse — got married.

Tron was a prolific and numbers-driven poster with unwavering loyalty to the Cougs before dropping outta sight.

Kind of like Biggsy's brother from another mother minus the barroom brawler persona

Hopefully Tron will either come back from the dead or come to his senses and return to CougZone.

His enthusiasm is missed
Tron may have been on Donald Trump’s staff. His interpretation of numbers was frequently…creative. And he did seem to have a tendency toward “alternative facts.”
 
When do we sell out? UW; big name visitor; and when that specific game means something for where we go that year. If we had 6 home games, in a game where we had a competitive team we'd typically sell out or close 2 of them, have decent attendance at 2 and be disappointed for the other 2. For the 2 max attendance games, we could probably sell another 10k seats if they were good seats (not the far ozone end of the horseshoe). To have 10K good seats you probably need to add 20K. That gets you into that mid-50's K range being bantered back and forth. The key IMHO is to build a structural support that could go a lot farther...maybe to mid-70's...but dont' build that seating right away. And use some judgement re: where the first 20K seats are located, to try to maximize their appeal. Also consider some overhead covers over the fan section. That needs to be paired up with some intelligent RV parking locations and other fan attractants. If the seating expansion & related improvements result in just 35K more tickets for the whole season, at an average of $100, that is $3.5m per year. 45k is $4.5 mill/yr. I think improved seating could get into that ballpark. My only concern is if NIL goes unchecked and completely destroys college football.
 
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If we had 6 home games, in a game where we had a competitive team we'd typically sell out or close 2 of them, have decent attendance at 2 and be disappointed for the other 2.

Probably could say this for more than half of the "Power-5" schools in the country


For the 2 max attendance games, we could probably sell another 10k seats if they were good seats (not the far ozone end of the horseshoe). To have 10K good seats you probably need to add 20K. That gets you into that mid-50's K range being bantered back and forth. The key IMHO is to build a structural support that could go a lot farther...maybe to mid-70's...but dont' build that seating right away. And use some judgement re: where the first 20K seats are located, to try to maximize their appeal. Also consider some overhead covers over the fan section. That needs to be paired up with some intelligent RV parking locations and other fan attractants. If the seating expansion & related improvements result in just 35K more tickets for the whole season, at an average of $100, that is $3.5m per year. 45k is $4.5 mill/yr. I think improved seating could get into that ballpark

Build up capacity gradually from 32,952 to 52,952 to eventually 73,000 or so by 2040 seems a very strategic way to go.

WA is a growing state; plenty of opportunities to create new fan interest for Chun and whoever follows him as AD

Great post Crazy8
 
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Adding 10k seats will cost at least $20M with virtually 0 return on investment. It will have to be done with donor funds due to the present massive deficit. If those donations were actually out there, which I doubt they are based on how long it’s taken to fund the IPF they’d be better spent on NIL buying players ( as sickening as that thought is to me).
You have some solid points in a short post, but we need to think about how to actually expand the seating in Martin Stadium. And how will that affect the cost, and the resulting cost benefit. Not sure where you got your $ figure from, and I won't have anything more accurate to offer from good construction figures in today's market, but I can address some of the factors that will affect it.

Question # 1 is where can you actually expand seating in the stadium? Lets examine that for a minute. I say the west end is out, because that is where the Football Operations Building is and expanding there would require demolishing it and building another one elsewhere, which would make the alternative fiscally unfeasible.

I say that the south side is also eliminated from consideration for much the same reason- expansion there is limited by the building underneath already and plus having to demolish and rebuild the press boxes and suites that are existing. If anything is done in this location it will end up costing a lot of revenue for at least one season due to the lengthy construction timeline. Physical limitations and resulting cost escalation will eliminate the south side from any consideration.

So that leaves the east end zone and the north side. In order to maximize ongoing revenue you would want to locate new seats in the best possible viewing positions. Unfortunately, that means not building in the east end zone where construction would be cheaper, but going on the north side. If you recall from when the press boxes and suites were built, the ground on the north side is far from optimal for building on. IIRC, there used to be a pond/lake/swamp of some kind in that area that would require extensive mitigation (think cost escalation) to do anything major in that area. But assuming you are committed to building additional seats, and I would assume also additional suites) here, how do you accomplish that?

Since scientists have not perfected any kind of levitation capability yet, I see two options. First is to either partially or completely demolish existing seating in order to put more seats above. Partially would involve having columns, which would then mean obstructed view for lower seats when completed. (just screw the students, right?). Complete demolition again means losing seat revenue for all those seats for at least a year, along with losing the great student support/enthusiasm for at least a year. Hardly an optimal approach.

So where does that leave us? In my feeble mind, it means having to take the mitigation actions needed for the foundations and then having to cantilever the entire new structure over the existing seats. Such an approach leads to the cost per seat being much , much greater than building seats in a "green field" location, both from the foundation and then the larger structural elements that are required for that type of design. Not a good situation for an athletic department that is already in dire straights financially.

Anyone remember that old Miller Lite commercial with Billy Martin? Their commercials back then always played off the "Tastes Great" vs "Less Filling" sides, and Billy said that "I feel very strongly both ways". Well, that is how I feel on this. I certainly understand and agree that a larger stadium and more NIL funds would greatly help WSU to compete, but as a rational thinking guy I also see the financial constraints of our current situation.

Unfortunately, I don't foresee a giant government bailout anytime in WSU's future, so I think the best solution is for you all to hope and pray that I win both the Powerball and Mega Million drawings this week. Thank you for your assistance on this matter!
 
None of you guys are wrong, per se', except for the idea that there is no pay back. I'd spitballed $20-25 million to add 10K + good seats (have to go more than 10K to end up with 10K good net added seats). And I think $3.5-4.5 million in added revenue/year is realistic (see my previous post). Throw in the time value of money as well as inflation's impact and that is a 5-8 year payback. That is a different issue from having the up front money to get it built. If this were a private venture, that would be the difference between construction financing and permanent financing. I don't see a planning problem with the permanent financing, but I do see a problem with the initial construction financing. We don't have the cash right now. In the public arena there are different paths to follow, ranging from bonds to legislative funding to the university budget itself. Regardless of the form or fashion of the funding, the point is that the initial cash is the issue, at least from what I can see.

As for where/how to add seats, I agree that the north side is the likely location. Constructability is to be determined, but there is no area on campus upon which we can't build...but some areas have some added cost. We don't have seismic issues, so most of the historic sediment or other earth-related issues are not devastating. If you were going to build a foundation to handle future seats to be added later, you will have some fairly significant pilings, but that should fit in the $20-25 m budget unless this drags out. Important to note that construction inflation is approaching 10%/year at this time, so time is money.
 
You have some solid points in a short post, but we need to think about how to actually expand the seating in Martin Stadium. And how will that affect the cost, and the resulting cost benefit. Not sure where you got your $ figure from, and I won't have anything more accurate to offer from good construction figures in today's market, but I can address some of the factors that will affect it.

Question # 1 is where can you actually expand seating in the stadium? Lets examine that for a minute. I say the west end is out, because that is where the Football Operations Building is and expanding there would require demolishing it and building another one elsewhere, which would make the alternative fiscally unfeasible.

I say that the south side is also eliminated from consideration for much the same reason- expansion there is limited by the building underneath already and plus having to demolish and rebuild the press boxes and suites that are existing. If anything is done in this location it will end up costing a lot of revenue for at least one season due to the lengthy construction timeline. Physical limitations and resulting cost escalation will eliminate the south side from any consideration.

So that leaves the east end zone and the north side. In order to maximize ongoing revenue you would want to locate new seats in the best possible viewing positions. Unfortunately, that means not building in the east end zone where construction would be cheaper, but going on the north side. If you recall from when the press boxes and suites were built, the ground on the north side is far from optimal for building on. IIRC, there used to be a pond/lake/swamp of some kind in that area that would require extensive mitigation (think cost escalation) to do anything major in that area. But assuming you are committed to building additional seats, and I would assume also additional suites) here, how do you accomplish that?

Since scientists have not perfected any kind of levitation capability yet, I see two options. First is to either partially or completely demolish existing seating in order to put more seats above. Partially would involve having columns, which would then mean obstructed view for lower seats when completed. (just screw the students, right?). Complete demolition again means losing seat revenue for all those seats for at least a year, along with losing the great student support/enthusiasm for at least a year. Hardly an optimal approach.

So where does that leave us? In my feeble mind, it means having to take the mitigation actions needed for the foundations and then having to cantilever the entire new structure over the existing seats. Such an approach leads to the cost per seat being much , much greater than building seats in a "green field" location, both from the foundation and then the larger structural elements that are required for that type of design. Not a good situation for an athletic department that is already in dire straights financially.

Anyone remember that old Miller Lite commercial with Billy Martin? Their commercials back then always played off the "Tastes Great" vs "Less Filling" sides, and Billy said that "I feel very strongly both ways". Well, that is how I feel on this. I certainly understand and agree that a larger stadium and more NIL funds would greatly help WSU to compete, but as a rational thinking guy I also see the financial constraints of our current situation.

Unfortunately, I don't foresee a giant government bailout anytime in WSU's future, so I think the best solution is for you all to hope and pray that I win both the Powerball and Mega Million drawings this week. Thank you for your assistance on this matter!
You all ever see Nebraska's stadium,? Link below. Look at those end zones. I think there are more seats in the endzones than along the sidelines. If and when we expand, the only logical choice is the East endzone. Infrastructure is already there. I actually walked it some years ago and think we could put 10,000 seats there if we brought it up to the sideline seat level.

We already have a reserved seat situation where half the seats are empty at all but the really big games. these extra fans we seek will likely be cheap seat fans. Build up the east end zone, elevate it over the concession and other stuff down there. Keep the price reasonable.


 
Our problem isn't stadium capacity, our problem is we don't have enough demand for the limited seats we have.

This is why we won't ever have a 50k seat stadium. The university doesn't care, it doesn't do outreach, it doesn't do marketing. You have to sell season tickets to fill the stadium, you aren't going to do it with ala carte ticket sales. Not only that, but the gameday experience is still shit. You could build 100000 seat stadium and you'd still only get 25k on average.
 
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This is why we won't ever have a 50k seat stadium. The university doesn't care, it doesn't do outreach, it doesn't do marketing. You have to sell season tickets to fill the stadium, you aren't going to do it with ala carte ticket sales. Not only that, but the gameday experience is still shit. You could build 100000 seat stadium and you'd still only get 25k on average.
Not sure I agree with the gameday experience being shit. Granted it's been a few years since I've been back, but what about it is shit? Fieldhouse full of Cougs drinking, that party thing on the playfield (Cougville?), total party in the RV lot, lots of cute coeds roaming around. Never seemed to be shit for me. Shitfaced maybe.

IMHO the biggest problem with stadium expansion is accommodations. Yes hotel chains can't afford a bunch of new beds for a few weekends a year of being full. 6 football games, Mom's weekend, graduation. that's about it. And the fact that the existing hotels rape you on those big weekends does not help. An $80 room at the Quality Inn becomes a $300 room on those events and games. And the RV lot prices are through the roof.
 

This is why we won't ever have a 50k seat stadium. The university doesn't care, it doesn't do outreach, it doesn't do marketing. You have to sell season tickets to fill the stadium, you aren't going to do it with ala carte ticket sales. Not only that, but the gameday experience is still shit. You could build 100000 seat stadium and you'd still only get 25k on average.

Not sure I agree with the gameday experience being shit. Granted it's been a few years since I've been back, but what about it is shit? Fieldhouse full of Cougs drinking, that party thing on the playfield (Cougville?), total party in the RV lot, lots of cute coeds roaming around. Never seemed to be shit for me. Shitfaced maybe.

IMHO the biggest problem with stadium expansion is accommodations. Yes hotel chains can't afford a bunch of new beds for a few weekends a year of being full. 6 football games, Mom's weekend, graduation. that's about it. And the fact that the existing hotels rape you on those big weekends does not help. An $80 room at the Quality Inn becomes a $300 room on those events and games. And the RV lot prices are through the roof.
Getting to Pullman and paying for accomodations after a 5 hour drive is probably the hang up. 10 hours of driving 6 weekends a year is a lot.

One you get to the grounds, it's a great experience. It's why I do it. But I get why people don't.
 
Not sure I agree with the gameday experience being shit. Granted it's been a few years since I've been back, but what about it is shit? Fieldhouse full of Cougs drinking, that party thing on the playfield (Cougville?), total party in the RV lot, lots of cute coeds roaming around. Never seemed to be shit for me. Shitfaced maybe.

IMHO the biggest problem with stadium expansion is accommodations. Yes hotel chains can't afford a bunch of new beds for a few weekends a year of being full. 6 football games, Mom's weekend, graduation. that's about it. And the fact that the existing hotels rape you on those big weekends does not help. An $80 room at the Quality Inn becomes a $300 room on those events and games. And the RV lot prices are through the roof.
Not everyone is interested in getting shitfaced before the game. The fieldhouse is old and dated and feels cheap. The RV lot is exclusive and I would venture that most people don't feel welcome wandering through there. You've got rent a cops wandering through the parking lots shutting down and signs of tailgating unless you're in an official tailgating area. You can have a grill, but no furniture so I guess you're eating sitting on the asphalt.

In other words, for all the new fans that we'll be needing to fill the 100000000000 seat stadium, there isn't a whole lot of options outside of: A) become a top tier donor and hope to grabs someones A or B lot pass as it comes available, go buy an RV, and tailgate before the game or B) go to the already overcrowded fieldhouse that will be even more overcrowded with the extra fans to fill the extra seats and wait even longer for a dog and a beer. But hey, you'll get to sing the fight song with some Cougs, see Butch and the cheerleaders before the game, so coooooool.
 
The fieldhouse is old and dated and feels cheap.

Bleed, where would you rank any enhancements and/or renovations to Hollingberry Fieldhouse on the facility improvement wish list (obviously some are pricier than others)?

IPF?

Stadium expansion?

CJD's new locker room request and updated lighting for FOB?

Beasley makeover or new basketball/concert arena/venue?

Repurposing "The Bubble" for additional usage?
 
Not everyone is interested in getting shitfaced before the game. The fieldhouse is old and dated and feels cheap. The RV lot is exclusive and I would venture that most people don't feel welcome wandering through there. You've got rent a cops wandering through the parking lots shutting down and signs of tailgating unless you're in an official tailgating area. You can have a grill, but no furniture so I guess you're eating sitting on the asphalt.

In other words, for all the new fans that we'll be needing to fill the 100000000000 seat stadium, there isn't a whole lot of options outside of: A) become a top tier donor and hope to grabs someones A or B lot pass as it comes available, go buy an RV, and tailgate before the game or B) go to the already overcrowded fieldhouse that will be even more overcrowded with the extra fans to fill the extra seats and wait even longer for a dog and a beer. But hey, you'll get to sing the fight song with some Cougs, see Butch and the cheerleaders before the game, so coooooool.
If and when an IPF is built, I would home they incorporate that into game day somehow, maybe a family zone or something like that.

But I also tend to agree with loyal - the game day experience is pretty decent. Maybe a few more bars nearby would be nice or make the T&F infield available for tailgating but other then that other then more people doing the same things, seems like typical college football Saturday to me.
 
To be fair, Biggsy has said it's not necessarily about the filling the stadium.

You build a 65,000-seat (or bigger) stadium to show that you're serious about winning football

It’s non verbal communication about how serious you are about football.

The idea that the stadium has to be filled in order to justify having a larger capacity is laughable. UCLA has thousands of seats tarped over for games. Doesn’t stop them from selling their stadium. Same for SC.

WSU has a JV stadium in a varsity league. It is an embarrassment. It is used against WSU in recruiting. It will be used against WSU if/when the time comes to move to another P5 league.

If people refuse to understand that it’s about HAVING it, not filling it, they are beyond help.
 
Being able to throw a seven figure bag at recruits would go a lot further in convincing them to come there than a 65,000 stadium.

Well said E-Town

But an expansion to 65,000 seats signals to TV execs, conference commissioners and your own fan base that Schulz and Chun are serious about football
 
Being able to throw a seven figure bag at recruits would go a lot further in convincing them to come there than a 65,000 stadium.
50 1-million dollar players is great for now (if they don't get hurt or go JDL)

$50 million into our end zone and 1/2 coming from Home Depot or Holiday Inn would do a lot more for the long term.

Sports & School
 
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50 1-million dollar players is great for now (if they don't get hurt or go JDL)

$50 million into our end zone and 1/2 coming from Home Depot or Holiday Inn would do a lot more for the long term.

Sports & School

You have to get transfers. You can’t pay kids that can walk any time. Or you make sure the contract they sign has a financial buyout to leave.
 
WSU is better off without shitbag fans like this.

That poster supports rapists. He is a shitbag.
Yup we’re better off without fans who are sitting in the stadium every Saturday and supporting the program and university financially. Much better to have fans who don’t attend games, talk shit about our coaching staff non stop, and attack our QB for going to…GASP…a QB Camp and throwing the ball around with other QBs who are there.

You’re really the ideal fan, if we could replicate you 65K times we could probably sell out a Jr high stadium once a year.
 
You have some solid points in a short post, but we need to think about how to actually expand the seating in Martin Stadium. And how will that affect the cost, and the resulting cost benefit. Not sure where you got your $ figure from, and I won't have anything more accurate to offer from good construction figures in today's market, but I can address some of the factors that will affect it.

Question # 1 is where can you actually expand seating in the stadium? Lets examine that for a minute. I say the west end is out, because that is where the Football Operations Building is and expanding there would require demolishing it and building another one elsewhere, which would make the alternative fiscally unfeasible.

I say that the south side is also eliminated from consideration for much the same reason- expansion there is limited by the building underneath already and plus having to demolish and rebuild the press boxes and suites that are existing. If anything is done in this location it will end up costing a lot of revenue for at least one season due to the lengthy construction timeline. Physical limitations and resulting cost escalation will eliminate the south side from any consideration.

So that leaves the east end zone and the north side. In order to maximize ongoing revenue you would want to locate new seats in the best possible viewing positions. Unfortunately, that means not building in the east end zone where construction would be cheaper, but going on the north side. If you recall from when the press boxes and suites were built, the ground on the north side is far from optimal for building on. IIRC, there used to be a pond/lake/swamp of some kind in that area that would require extensive mitigation (think cost escalation) to do anything major in that area. But assuming you are committed to building additional seats, and I would assume also additional suites) here, how do you accomplish that?

Since scientists have not perfected any kind of levitation capability yet, I see two options. First is to either partially or completely demolish existing seating in order to put more seats above. Partially would involve having columns, which would then mean obstructed view for lower seats when completed. (just screw the students, right?). Complete demolition again means losing seat revenue for all those seats for at least a year, along with losing the great student support/enthusiasm for at least a year. Hardly an optimal approach.

So where does that leave us? In my feeble mind, it means having to take the mitigation actions needed for the foundations and then having to cantilever the entire new structure over the existing seats. Such an approach leads to the cost per seat being much , much greater than building seats in a "green field" location, both from the foundation and then the larger structural elements that are required for that type of design. Not a good situation for an athletic department that is already in dire straights financially.

Anyone remember that old Miller Lite commercial with Billy Martin? Their commercials back then always played off the "Tastes Great" vs "Less Filling" sides, and Billy said that "I feel very strongly both ways". Well, that is how I feel on this. I certainly understand and agree that a larger stadium and more NIL funds would greatly help WSU to compete, but as a rational thinking guy I also see the financial constraints of our current situation.

Unfortunately, I don't foresee a giant government bailout anytime in WSU's future, so I think the best solution is for you all to hope and pray that I win both the Powerball and Mega Million drawings this week. Thank you for your assistance on this matter!
The “swamp” was Silver Lake - a man made impoundment that was where the track and part of the fieldhouse are now. It shouldn’t create big constructability issues.

Supposedly, the upgrades in the east end zone in the 2000s were done with the intent of building above them. Whether that’s true, and whether it would meet current requirements, I don’t know.

I’ve also heard that the north side was built with the intent of an addition, but that would have been in the 70s under very different codes. i kinda doubt they’d be able to add onto it, especially not without having conflicts with the fieldhouse.

They could, at least in theory, add on the south side, extending the club seating from the press box. It would eliminate some seats for columns and create some view-obstructed ones, but it could probably be done. I doubt that’s something anyone’s very interested in.

I think it was estimated that the east end could add ~8K, north could do 8-10. I think. Even doing both, we’re short of 50K. Reaching that capacity probably means a real rebuild.

Or maybe we could dig down again, and just let the teams sit in the front row.
 
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The “swamp” was Silver Lake - a man made impoundment that was where the track and part of the fieldhouse are now. It shouldn’t create big constructability issues.

Supposedly, the upgrades in the east end zone in the 2000s were done with the intent of building above them. Whether that’s true, and whether it would meet current requirements, I don’t know.

I’ve also heard that the north side was built with the intent of an addition, but that would have been in the 70s under very different codes. i kinda doubt they’d be able to add onto it, especially not without having conflicts with the fieldhouse.

They could, at least in theory, add on the south side, extending the club seating from the press box. It would eliminate some seats for columns and create some view-obstructed ones, but it could probably be done. I doubt that’s something anyone’s very interested in.

I think it was estimated that the east end could add ~8K, north could do 8-10. I think. Even doing both, we’re short of 50K. Reaching that capacity probably means a real rebuild.

Or maybe we could dig down again, and just let the teams sit in the front row.

How much rebuild (or digging) would be needed to reach 65k?
 
How much rebuild (or digging) would be needed to reach 65k?
C'mon Choppy. You pose the most ridiculous questions. WSU will never get anywhere close to 65K.

Fleshing out the east end zone and getting to 40K (which was actually about the capacity when we still had the east end zone bleachers and the West side bleachers that got wiped out because of the FOB) is what we need to shoot for.

Apparently OSU's renovation will bring their capacity down to 34-39K.

Stanford's stadium now only holds 50K


 
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What? what planet are you from? We are Cougs. Of course we want to get shitfaced. Stroll though the RV lot next time you go to a game.
Or stroll through the CUB and see all the fans NOT wanting to get shit-faced. I don't see many in section 7 acting like they are drunk. Some, but definitely a small minority.
 
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C'mon Choppy. You pose the most ridiculous questions. WSU will never get anywhere close to 65K.
Fleshing out the east end zone and getting to 40K (which was actually about the capacity when we still had the east end zone bleachers and the West side bleachers that got wiped out because of the FOB) is what we need to shoot for.

Apparently OSU's renovation will bring their capacity down to 34-39K.

Stanford's stadium now only holds 50K


in fairness it wasn’t his idea.

Stanford and OSU aren’t spending hundreds of millions and reducing their stadium sizes if creating larger dumps of bleachers leads to greater football glory (apparently how UCLA and USC sell their programs).

I’m all for thinking about a moderate growth strategy over time where there’s actually a plan to put butts in seats and leads to increased revenue, but doubling the capacity of your stadium you already can’t sell out when you have no money to do so in the first place is the dumbest of dumb ideas.
 
You have some solid points in a short post, but we need to think about how to actually expand the seating in Martin Stadium. And how will that affect the cost, and the resulting cost benefit. Not sure where you got your $ figure from, and I won't have anything more accurate to offer from good construction figures in today's market, but I can address some of the factors that will affect it.

Question # 1 is where can you actually expand seating in the stadium? Lets examine that for a minute. I say the west end is out, because that is where the Football Operations Building is and expanding there would require demolishing it and building another one elsewhere, which would make the alternative fiscally unfeasible.

I say that the south side is also eliminated from consideration for much the same reason- expansion there is limited by the building underneath already and plus having to demolish and rebuild the press boxes and suites that are existing. If anything is done in this location it will end up costing a lot of revenue for at least one season due to the lengthy construction timeline. Physical limitations and resulting cost escalation will eliminate the south side from any consideration.

So that leaves the east end zone and the north side. In order to maximize ongoing revenue you would want to locate new seats in the best possible viewing positions. Unfortunately, that means not building in the east end zone where construction would be cheaper, but going on the north side. If you recall from when the press boxes and suites were built, the ground on the north side is far from optimal for building on. IIRC, there used to be a pond/lake/swamp of some kind in that area that would require extensive mitigation (think cost escalation) to do anything major in that area. But assuming you are committed to building additional seats, and I would assume also additional suites) here, how do you accomplish that?

Since scientists have not perfected any kind of levitation capability yet, I see two options. First is to either partially or completely demolish existing seating in order to put more seats above. Partially would involve having columns, which would then mean obstructed view for lower seats when completed. (just screw the students, right?). Complete demolition again means losing seat revenue for all those seats for at least a year, along with losing the great student support/enthusiasm for at least a year. Hardly an optimal approach.

So where does that leave us? In my feeble mind, it means having to take the mitigation actions needed for the foundations and then having to cantilever the entire new structure over the existing seats. Such an approach leads to the cost per seat being much , much greater than building seats in a "green field" location, both from the foundation and then the larger structural elements that are required for that type of design. Not a good situation for an athletic department that is already in dire straights financially.

Anyone remember that old Miller Lite commercial with Billy Martin? Their commercials back then always played off the "Tastes Great" vs "Less Filling" sides, and Billy said that "I feel very strongly both ways". Well, that is how I feel on this. I certainly understand and agree that a larger stadium and more NIL funds would greatly help WSU to compete, but as a rational thinking guy I also see the financial constraints of our current situation.

Unfortunately, I don't foresee a giant government bailout anytime in WSU's future, so I think the best solution is for you all to hope and pray that I win both the Powerball and Mega Million drawings this week. Thank you for your assistance on this matter!
the footing for an upper deck were poured several years ao, before the plan changed to the other side for the luxury suites. they were going on the north side originally.
 
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