How do you feel as a CU fan right about now? They have had some crazy coaching “circumstances” over the years. Mel Tucker does a Jackie Sherrill on them although I guess “dream job”.
OT: Mel Tucker to MSU
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Jackie Sherrill + Warren Powers.....and for Wyoming fans, Dennis Erickson.
Tucker had signed the #34 ranked class and will now be bailing on them. Yeah, that's a bad deal, especially this late in the year. I'm guessing Colorado will promote an assistant for at least an interim year but you never know. It's probably too late for the signees to go anywhere else even if they request and are granted a release from the LOI.
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Tucker had signed the #34 ranked class and will now be bailing on them. Yeah, that's a bad deal, especially this late in the year. I'm guessing Colorado will promote an assistant for at least an interim year but you never know. It's probably too late for the signees to go anywhere else even if they request and are granted a release from the LOI.
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I don't know if he would take the job because he may want a pro head coaching job. But, if I were CU, I would go hard after Eric Bieniemy, the KC Chiefs offensive coordinator. He is a CU alum and has a lot of prior experience being a college coach.
How Bienemy has not been able to land a HC job in the NFL is beyond me, especially when you see some of the hires made since he has thrown his hat into the ring. Andy Reid's previous two OCs both landed HC jobs (Nagy & Peterson) and, as a Chiefs fan, I think Bienemy is equal to those two. Of course, Mahomes can make a lot of OCs look pretty good, I guess. Nonetheless, you are right– Colorado should at least approach Bienemy.
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At what point as a NFL OC do you stick it out? I understand wanting to be a HC. If you take the CU job does it hurt your chances if it doesnt work out? Or will NFL teams not care how well you do?
Unless he hates recruiting... take the $ I guess.
Coaches will ALWAYS take the money and another year(s) of employment. Always.
They don't have all the feels like fans. They are mercenaries. It is what it is. They know they'll be fired just as quickly as the next guy and they need to stay one step ahead of the game. As good a guy as Rolo appears to be, he's no different.
Which is why I was relatively indifferent to Leach leaving. To him it was a business decision. To us, it's borderline life and death. In my old age, after getting ditched by several coaches purportedly in their 'dream job', I've determine college football isn't life and death.
5x increase in pay and way more resources than Hawaii.
In related news, $C poaches the CB coach from Oregon, who by all accounts wasnt just Oregons best recruiter, but the P12s best recruiter.
Wtf is going on at Oregon that you leave for the (potential?) dumpster fire that is $C? And for a lateral move as well. Oregon pays well, how much more could $C possibly offer?
Wtf is going on at Oregon that you leave for the (potential?) dumpster fire that is $C? And for a lateral move as well. Oregon pays well, how much more could $C possibly offer?
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I like him personally and I'm sure he's sincere in being happy to be in Pullman. Hell, I'd be overjoyed making $3 Million damned near anywhere in these United States - that buys a LOT of plane tickets to nice places.
But that's irrelevant to the coaching game. They are hired to be fired and know this is a game of musical chairs.
The Bobo Braytons and John Chaplins are few and far between these days. Maybe Mark Few...maybe.....and if Gonzaga took a severe downturn for a few years, they'd bounce him or he'd bounce first. But in football, those days are gone.
I agree with you, but I found it interesting that Michigan State waved the same $$$ to Fickel at Cincinnati, Narducci at Pitt, and Campbell at Iowa State and they all stayed at their present schools.
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I had the same thought, Kurt. Rather ungentlemanly of us to propose kicking the Buffs while they are down though. That said, if some ask for a release then someone will pick them up. Might as well be us.Don’t we have 1or 2 spots left
It's a tough spot to put kids in. After the first signing date is bad. After the second, once the money has been spent, should result in every LOI voided and have to be resigned.
If it were my kid, we'd be going to a post grad year. Protect the eligibility, be another season older, get in front of more schools. Ultimately find as stable a program as possible.
Yes , but was the quantity the same? Tucker, as well as numerous others had already declined the initial offer. Just off the top of my empty and balding head, I suspect that MSU finally got desperate, really increased the offer and went full Godfather in order to save what was left of the program. They may have crunched the numbers and decided that in the long run the monetary losses from a reeling football program would be worse than the cost of overpaying Tucker.
Indeed a tough spot for many kids and now a couple of schools. Dantonio's resignation prior to LOI day really screwed the situation for many.
Your suggestion that resignations after LOI day should invalidate the signings sounded initially reasonable to me but then I considered it a bit more. This could, and probably would, give HCs even more leverage in extracting a higher salary. "Give me another raise of 200K and the same for my staff or I walk and tank the recruited class." Are you going to call the bluff and risk ruining the program for years or just make the problem go away with some money? Four hundred thousand would be cheap compared to the possible damage if the HC walks as he may well do if he is close to retirement anyway.
This proposal would alleviate the problem faced by the incoming recruits but put the whole weight on the school which had presumably done nothing wrong. Would also have an adverse effect on the players already in the team.
Not sure how one squares this circle. The damage done by a late resignation has to be dealt somewhere. Kids, schools, somebody is getting hurt and I do not know how the weight should or could be allocated in a fair manner.
Keep those ideas coming. I am just not convinced that this is the way to go.
Probably quite a bit. Don't know if it is still the case but the Saudi royal family used to send many of their princes to USC where they apparently developed a fondness for football. Back in the pre-internet days they would have film of the last USC football game flown to Saudi Arabia and then gather together for a viewing party. The Saudis make Uncle Phil look like a pauper. Being private they do not have to make their finances public but I have a hunch that they have a bundle with access to more.
I agree. While I am disappointed that he left, he never preached in public how he loved Pullman and WSU. We have had coaches that did or had "pillars " that told us just how committed they were to WSU. They all left. Sometimes the next week.
USC is USC. While Oregon is currently stable, it is still Oregon. USC is still the biggest name in the conference. He was also given some guarantees, even if Helton is gone.
I love this. USC just did to Oregon what Oregon does to WSU.
I gotta say that I'm not buying your rationale. If a coach ever said what you posted.....any good AD should fire them right on the spot. My take on how to handle kids that want their LOI voided because a coach leaves is to ask them to take the time to meet the new coach before they are granted a release. If they still want to leave....there's the door. If there is a significant delay expected.....let 'em go.
Wasn't Tucker their 5th choice or thereabouts? Ouch.
And yes, Eric B sans Rakim would be the first person I would call.
And yes, Eric B sans Rakim would be the first person I would call.
I've railed incessantly on the unsustainable business model of college athletics and lack of basic supply/demand laws.
Which is also partially why I no longer get too emotionally overwrought when the mercenaries leave.
Apparently he was #relentless in looking for ways to get out of dodge.
Not a great example to set for those teaching kids how to be young men.
By the way, when does the Bruce Feldman tweet announcing Colorado has interest in Mike Leach break?
I will admit that the scenario is a bit extreme but it is possible. Murphy's Law eventually pops up though and it would happen. And, yes, the AD could call his bluff. But not necessarily and once successful then others would give it a shot. In the current era coaches have not been shy about asking for more money.
Agree with your take on how to deal with LOI cancellation requests. If any kid wants out then require him to sit down with the HC replacement and spend some time thinking about his decision.
I think ultimately you have to protect the talent. And keep the talent happy. The day is coming when kids get paid. Better get right with them now.
I am of the opinion that whatever coaches can do, kids can do too. If that means leave for a better opportunity, fine.
Prob not. I think he would rather recruit in state talent and go to Key West. Hell, I would too.
I believe Leach had a personal goal of coaching in the SEC and having the chance to prove skeptics wrong about how the Air Raid would fare in that conference. I don't think he would've left WSU for Colorado.
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Not to mention he saw up close the key stone cops that is Larry Scott and the Pac 12 referees. I am guessing he doesn't mind getting away from those idiots.
I more wonder about Rolo. Good thing WSU locked him up.
As for Leach as posted he would consider CU more or less a lateral, about the same upside and downside with no real tangible location advantage. At the age of 60 most people are not voluntarily taking lateral moves.
Miss. State is an entirely new challenge and opportunity.
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