Pac-12 Basketball Tournaments

[Rich Lewis]

Surprised nothing posted on the women's win over Cal. I wasn't able to watch the game but looks like a nice comeback from a halftime deficit. Looks like neither team shot well, only 10% from deep.

Possible men's scenarios:

1. Best and most unlikely. Both us and Colorado win, and Oregon loses to both Bay Area's moves us up to a 5 seed.

2. Possible. Both us and Colorado win. Moves us up to a 6 seed.

3. Probable. Either we or Colorado or both lose we stay a 7 seed. Da Silva is probably out for Colorado.

 

[Coug-Vandal]

Have the women done enough to get into the NCAA tourney or do they need to beat Utah?

 

[SaveFerris]

We came out and shot horrible. We did the same last year against Utah in our first game when they came out and couldn't miss. I just don't think that arena suits us, and it takes us time to warm up. We shot much better in the second half although 2-19 from 3 for the game.

No guarantee, but the women were essentially in with the win over UCLA and finishing 7th. The Pac 12 could get 8 teams in with Oregon on the bubble. Maybe a win over Utah improves our seed. In Creme's ESPN Bracketology he's had us anywhere from 8-10.

Women's Bracketology: UCLA takes over No. 1 overall seed, Tennessee climbs to 4-seed

With so many unknowns, the Lady Vols were a double-digit seed in the preseason. They've played their way to a No. 4.

www.espn.com

 

[Brent H.]

Have the women done enough to get into the NCAA tourney or do they need to beat Utah?

They’re safely in. They have a top 40 net ranking.

 

[SaveFerris]

They’re safely in. They have a top 40 net ranking.

The women's NET is funky. Last year we were in the 50's, which was crazy. Yes, we had 3 blowout losses. However, we finished tied for 2nd in the conference.

This year, Oregon's still at 19 today. They dropped 7 straight games and basically stayed the same. Creme currently has Oregon out of the Tournament.

 

[7ICoug]

That is indeed funky

 

[BSpike76]

I’m going to say we’re in after tonight. Just being Captain Obvious.

 

[SaveFerris]

We have been in some time. Now it’s about seeding. This win could help get us to a 7-seed which is huge. Win and avoid a 1-seed at home.

 

[BSpike76]

We have been in some time. Now it’s about seeding. This win could help get us to a 7-seed which is huge. Win and avoid a 1-seed at home.

Could we go any higher with a win tomorrow?

 

[SaveFerris]

Could we go any higher with a win tomorrow?

Hard to know what the Tournament selection committee will do, but it’s not going to hurt. I would think so. Crème now has Oregon in after a competitive loss to Stanford. I’m relying on his bracketology. It’s been pretty good the last couple years.

Definitely glad we have all but sealed it, but these late wins should show how big being without Leger-Walker was for us even though it might have made us better in the end.

 

[Brent H.]

Hard to know what the Tournament selection committee will do, but it’s not going to hurt. I would think so. Crème now has Oregon in after a competitive loss to Stanford. I’m relying on his bracketology. It’s been pretty good the last couple years.

Definitely glad we have all but sealed it, but these late wins should show how big being without Leger-Walker was for us even though it might have made us better in the end.

We were a 10 which I prefer over a 8/9 game, hopefully we can get a 7 seed. The win actually could hurt us, but last year, we were safely in at the end of the day, but the "experts" had us un the bubble. Maybe we are a little undervalued. Worst lost this year was probably to BYU or UW, are other than that, are only losses are to tournament teams.

 

[SaveFerris]

We were a 10 which I prefer over a 8/9 game, hopefully we can get a 7 seed. The win actually could hurt us, but last year, we were safely in at the end of the day, but the "experts" had us un the bubble. Maybe we are a little undervalued. Worst lost this year was probably to BYU or UW, are other than that, are only losses are to tournament teams.

Agree, would prefer 10 over 8/9. We moved up in the NET from 38 to 34. The Stanford blowout loss probably factors as well, but we started low, and it seems hard to make big jumps in the NETs algorithm. Oregon is now 19?

I think we have shown enough to be a 7-seed. Hopefully a win over CU would get us there along with at least a competitive game in the Championship assuming it's against Stanford.

 

[Coug90]

As for the men, is there any path if they don’t win the tourney? If they got to the CG and lost would their run at the end of the season be considered along with a pretty good NET for their record? If there was I’d imagine some other things would need to break their way like other bubble teams getting bounced early in their tourneys and minimal auto bid tourney upsets. Curious to get someone’s take on this who follows bracketology closely.

 

[mikalalas]

As for the men, is there any path if they don’t win the tourney? If they got to the CG and lost would their run at the end of the season be considered along with a pretty good NET for their record? If there was I’d imagine some other things would need to break their way like other bubble teams getting bounced early in their tourneys and minimal auto bid tourney upsets. Curious to get someone’s take on this who follows bracketology closely.

If WSU lost in the Pac 12 championship game by 1 point in quadruple overtime, etc, and if everything perfectly went right as far as bubble teams getting bounced early, and minimum auto bid tourny upsets, then and only then, would WSU get a PLAY IN bid in the NCAA tourny.

BUT THAT WONT HAPPEN.

If WSU loses by more then 3+ points in regulation in the Pac 12 championship game, no matter how things perfectly break, WSU would still not get a NCAA bid at 19,20 wins, 15 losses, After the PAC 12 tourney.

The only teams that get NCAA bid with records like 16-15, 19,20-15, etc, are either those who won their auto bid, or DUKE types.

The only team I have seen get a NCAA bid with a 500 record, 16-15, 19-15, etc, without a auto bid, was I think it was Virginia, if I am remembering right.

And if not remembering right, then it was 1 Virginia, semi blue blood type college.

So WSU is Not getting a NCAA bid if they don't win the PAC 12 tourny.

What WSU is playing for is to see if they will goto NIT, or CBI.

If, when WSU wins at least 1 + PAC 12 tourney game, then at 17 + wins WSU goes to NIT.

If WSU loses in first round of PAC 12 tourny, then WSU would go CBI.

 

[jourdand]

Obviously things can change but the two bracket sites I looked at have WSU solidly in the NIT. So let’s keep our fingers crossed that not to much changes.

 

[mikalalas]

Obviously things can change but the two bracket sites I looked at have WSU solidly in the NIT. So let’s keep our fingers crossed that not to much changes.

The only reason why WSU is solidly in NIT, is because most assume that WSU will either win at least 1 game in PAC 12 tourny, or lose by 1 point in overtime of first round of PAC 12 tourny at worst, after winning 6 straight to end season.

With that in mind, if WSU does NOT win a game in the PAC 12 tourny, then WSU would not go to NIT, and would goto CBI instead, Unless everything were to break perfectly for WSU, AKA no NCAA tourny teams getting knocked to NIT, if WSU does not win any PAC 12 tourny games.

With that in mind, there would probably be enough NCAA tourny teams knocked to NIT, that WSU would not goto NIT, if WSU does not win any PAC 12 tourny games.

Bottom line is that WSU needs to take care of business, and win 1 PAC 12 tourny game to practically guarantee a NIT berth, and take it out of the hands of luck.

 

[Coug90]

The only reason why WSU is solidly in NIT, is because most assume that WSU will either win at least 1 game in PAC 12 tourny, or lose by 1 point in overtime of first round of PAC 12 tourny at worst, after winning 6 straight to end season.

With that in mind, if WSU does NOT win a game in the PAC 12 tourny, then WSU would not go to NIT, and would goto CBI instead, Unless everything were to break perfectly for WSU, AKA no NCAA tourny teams getting knocked to NIT, if WSU does not win any PAC 12 tourny games.

With that in mind, there would probably be enough NCAA tourny teams knocked to NIT, that WSU would not goto NIT, if WSU does not win any PAC 12 tourny games.

Bottom line is that WSU needs to take care of business, and win 1 PAC 12 tourny game to practically guarantee a NIT berth, and take it out of the hands of luck.

They are like NET 40ish. They are in the NIT. I agree with you it’s a long shot that they get in NCAA without winning their tourney but feels like there should be a path with their NET and how they are finishing if they got to the finals. If there isn’t there isn’t but man…they would go toe to toe with any team from 20-40 right now I’d think. And there’s 68 teams that get in.

 

[Coug1990]

They are like NET 40ish. They are in the NIT. I agree with you it’s a long shot that they get in NCAA without winning their tourney but feels like there should be a path with their NET and how they are finishing if they got to the finals. If there isn’t there isn’t but man…they would go toe to toe with any team from 20-40 right now I’d think. And there’s 68 teams that get in.

It really is a shame the injuries/Illness this team had to deal with this season. If not for the injuries/illness, I think we are talking about the NCAA's instead of the NIT.

 

[Glad Cougar]

It really is a shame the injuries/Illness this team had to deal with this season. If not for the injuries/illness, I think we are talking about the NCAA's instead of the NIT.

Totally agree with you. But I also think the early part of the season and all the adversity helped bring this team together and forge a better product. Players were forced to develop their game under the circumstances, as painful as it was earlier this year. However, it would have been fun to see how it would've turned out with a healthy squad. Even just 3 or 4 wins might have put them into the NCAA discussion.

Glad Cougar

 

[Coug90]

Totally agree with you. But I also think the early part of the season and all the adversity helped bring this team together and forge a better product. Players were forced to develop their game under the circumstances, as painful as it was earlier this year. However, it would have been fun to see how it would've turned out with a healthy squad. Even just 3 or 4 wins might have put them into the NCAA discussion.

Glad Cougar

Easily. Depending on what wins, 2 could have them in a really good spot. Woulda coulda shoulda…let’s just win the tourney.

 

[COUGinNCW]

As for the men, is there any path if they don’t win the tourney? If they got to the CG and lost would their run at the end of the season be considered along with a pretty good NET for their record? If there was I’d imagine some other things would need to break their way like other bubble teams getting bounced early in their tourneys and minimal auto bid tourney upsets. Curious to get someone’s take on this who follows bracketology closely.

I don’t follow bracketology closely but what I found interesting is the NET from 60-40 is loaded with big conference teams with similar records to WSU. Even losing records ranked ahead of the Cougs. They must put a lot of weight on SOS whether you win or lose.

 

[Coug90]

I don’t follow bracketology closely but what I found interesting is the NET from 60-40 is loaded with big conference teams with similar records to WSU. Even losing records ranked ahead of the Cougs. They must put a lot of weight on SOS whether you win or lose.

Yeah it’s pretty fascinating to dive into. I read an article yesterday someone making an argument that if Oklahoma wins the B12 tourney every team could get in…granted it won’t happen but it’s insane to even consider that as a possibility.

might be time to just have analytics tell us who the 68 teams are. They can play with the regions to adjust for conference teams playing each other. Too much human bias in these things, particularly this year when there’s no dominant team in the country. If Bamba and Guye play the way they are capable this team can run with anyone, and they aren’t going to get in unless they win the tourney.

 

[SaveFerris]

I don’t follow bracketology closely but what I found interesting is the NET from 60-40 is loaded with big conference teams with similar records to WSU. Even losing records ranked ahead of the Cougs. They must put a lot of weight on SOS whether you win or lose.

It's a bit strange on the women's side. Oregon is #20 in the NET. They dropped 7 straight and pretty much didn't budge. Our SOS is high at #15 according to CBS. The Pac 12 is a gauntlet as the Tournament has shown. We are at least a 6-seed.