Pac-2 still looking to expand?
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“You could argue that she knows the Pac-12 better than anyone (currently working there).”
No shit. I think I know the Pac-12 better than anyone working there.
No shit. I think I know the Pac-12 better than anyone working there.
This kind of confirms that leaving makes no real sense. WSU and OSU need to ride it all the way to the ground to get the payout. Their new affiliation can’t start until the Pac-12 dissolves…and they can’t announce/provide notice of the new affiliation until then.
The question is, how big is the payout? If it’s the $450M that Wilner said a few weeks ago, it might make sense to stand firm and not do anything - even to the point of being independent for 2024-25. Float on the cash for a season before making a move.
Otherwise, the reverse merger makes some sense…although it comes with no payout, and probably gives rights to the pot o’cash to teams who haven’t earned it….although I do like the justice of giving some of USC/UW/UO’s cash to the likes of Wyoming and UNLV.
I think I actually like it better now that we’re free of Stanford & Cal too. It leaves WSU & OSU - the two who have always been most similar in the conference - the ability to decide what’s best for them without outside influence.
The question is, how big is the payout? If it’s the $450M that Wilner said a few weeks ago, it might make sense to stand firm and not do anything - even to the point of being independent for 2024-25. Float on the cash for a season before making a move.
Otherwise, the reverse merger makes some sense…although it comes with no payout, and probably gives rights to the pot o’cash to teams who haven’t earned it….although I do like the justice of giving some of USC/UW/UO’s cash to the likes of Wyoming and UNLV.
I think I actually like it better now that we’re free of Stanford & Cal too. It leaves WSU & OSU - the two who have always been most similar in the conference - the ability to decide what’s best for them without outside influence.
Keep the league and history, add the entire MWC is my guess.
Stanford was never going to be in favor of adding Boise and Fresno....which seem like obvious adds from a regional standpoint.
You have to keep the brand name. When choosing between the Pac 2 rebuild or joining a G5 league, choose rebuild.
WSU and OSU presidents should be flying to schools offering Pac 2 membership today.
WSU and OSU presidents should be flying to schools offering Pac 2 membership today.
Rebuild, all the way thats the best scenario I can see. If it doesnt work out the MWC will still be there
If any Mtn West schools want to be on a path to P5, it isnt the Mtn West. They need a bigger brand name even if that brand has taken a hit.
OSU is holding a press conference that started at 10am. The topic was realignment. Anybody have a way to listen in?
Oregon State University talk conference shakeup
The President of Oregon State University Jayathi Murthy and Oregon State Vice President and Director of Athletics Scott Barnes are holding a Zoom webinar to discuss shakeups in the Pac-12 conference.
Wish we would have gotten to SMU. I like that market.
I haven't read the article yet...but what about playing some body bag games for revenue in the next year or so? Would be cool to play the Notre Dame's of the world.
Just a thought. Not really up to speed on how these things work
Well, its up to the Beavs to come to the rescue and to save the day. If we rely on, or wait for, our dynamic duo (Chun/Schulz), not only will a conference rebuild not happen, the chances are neither the MWC or the AAC with extend us an invite.
Schedules are all full If we don’t go mtn west we’ll be playing OSU 9x next year.
Isn’t OSU’s AD former asst UW AD?
I’ve read he is the front runner for JC’s empty chair. If true and he heads back north, how much can we count on OSU?
Perhaps it’s time for Ford to consider shutting down the Edsel factory and begin focusing on Core Mission of the University in a radically altered environment rather than chasing athletics.
Fck SMU. WSU needs a Western US league.
The problem WSU has now is their 2024 schedule. They have 3 non con games. They need 9 more games asap. Oregon State is prob 1. Calfurd was 2 and 3 but they will have their own non con games scheduled already and now they have ACC games.
Where is WSU going to find 8 more games on this short notice? If the P5 leagues start adding another league game, that takes more opp off the table.
We may see WSU playing games against teams we never dreamed of just so they can get a game. We may also see WSU removed from bowl eligibility because they have too many wins against FCS or even d2/naia teams.
WSU needs to get on the phone and get games done asap. They have a deadline. They cannot go into the off season with no schedule to show the kids on their rosters now. These kids held up their end of the deal. They came to WSU to play P5 sports. While nothing on campus has changed yet, WSU is still WSU, the level of competition they signed up to play is not there…. Hence, they better get the ‘24 schedules done fast.
If you think JD was mad because his team was being offered by other schools, just wait. It could get worse.
Hopefully this is the last conference allignment crap. It's September, real games. At this point it's just teams changing the logo on their field and patch on their uniform. College football was never truly innocent, it's just you had the false belief the NCAA governed the whole thing. Now it's all out in the open. The liars, cheaters and backstabbers are all proudly brandishing their tools of destruction.
Never about the money or television? Yeah tell that to Notre Dame. They became the brand due to a deal with NBC, the only program with such a deal.
No recruiting violations, paying players? SMU and Miami were the only ones doing it so blatantly that the soap opera Dallas, and show Miami Vice got inspiration for their storylines. The NCAA couldn't keep that under the rug, so they were punished for not even trying to hide it. See!!! The NCAA does have ethics, they imposed death penalties to those cheaters. Meanwhile everybody else was just whistling past the graveyard. Nothing to see here folks .
Coaches have been making millions for years, not honoring their contracts. Jumping for bigger jobs when offered. Steroids played a role in teams like Nebraska's weight program.
Let's not fool ourselves, politicians have always been dirty. The media has always been dishonest, and old men in suits have always benefitted off the hard work of young poor men.
Never about the money or television? Yeah tell that to Notre Dame. They became the brand due to a deal with NBC, the only program with such a deal.
No recruiting violations, paying players? SMU and Miami were the only ones doing it so blatantly that the soap opera Dallas, and show Miami Vice got inspiration for their storylines. The NCAA couldn't keep that under the rug, so they were punished for not even trying to hide it. See!!! The NCAA does have ethics, they imposed death penalties to those cheaters. Meanwhile everybody else was just whistling past the graveyard. Nothing to see here folks .
Coaches have been making millions for years, not honoring their contracts. Jumping for bigger jobs when offered. Steroids played a role in teams like Nebraska's weight program.
Let's not fool ourselves, politicians have always been dirty. The media has always been dishonest, and old men in suits have always benefitted off the hard work of young poor men.
It is going from bad to worse. We have not only been relegated, we have to go out, cap in hand, begging for games. We might as well line up a series of "body bag" games, to pay some bills. If Schulz and Chun don't pull their head out soon, we could end up in the Big Sky in a couple years. Regardless, we are going to see Paul Wulff like recruiting classes the next couple years -- we are F-ed.
People can be mad at the WSU administration, abd the average fan thinks they are smarter and could do better but in reality I am not sure anyone could have done anything about this. OSU is currently a top 25 ranked team and they are on the outside looking in. So their administration must be terrible and failures too then right? While Cal and Stanford don't really care about sports and they get invites. Direct seem to have anything to do with performance or even eyeballs on TV. Just about major markets. I think we will see smaller markets in the conferences left jettisoned at some point too.
A scarecrow is better than Schulz. So yes, there are people that can do better. The bar really is that low.
On the night before the conference collapsed, Kirk gave our regents a presentation on how the Pac-12 would lead the powers 5 schools over the next decade, I kid you not. We don't know whether a fully "in tune" president and AD would have made a difference, but Pat and Kirk were the farthest thing from being fully "in tune." That is why people are pissed. Despite all the reports of the imminent collapse circulating, they were still caught completely flat footed.
It's equally as possible they did everything they possibly could and were told no at every turn.
The way to play this was to be one of the first to be out there and be willing to be poached by the Big 12, when that would impart some degree of value for various reasons where, as we see, there otherwise is none. Doesn't take a genius to see that. One of the most tragic parts of this is, aside from the four corners schools, WSU and Oregon State were the best fits with the Big 12, and a good salesman could have convinced Yormark and his Fox buddies/bosses that grabbing WSU and Oregon State, maybe with other schools, was the way to get this shit started. But Shulz is naïve and led us down this path to ruin instead. At least he didn't have to ruffle any feathers and has Cougfan to carry his water and tell us about how he made a few calls this past week and was shot down.
It is always easier to play the "we should have done this" card. It can't really be disproved. I'm perfectly willing to believe that the Pac 12 or 10 could have done something different to avoid this. But the way it eventually played out I'm not sure that WSU could have done anything that actually made a difference.
OK, but we are ****ed and it was foreseeable. The consequences were significant enough for WSU, in particular, that this had to be avoided through the use of just about any means possible. Nothing even close to that occurred.
He has to try. Even if the outcome is the same he has to make everyone WSU feel like he did everything he could. He has to go down swinging. He has to take a swing at the uw president. He has to do something, anything, to make people feel like he was the man for the job and did his best.
What he can’t do is hold up his hands, shrug his shoulders and say nothing.
This is why you hire Bill Moos. This is why you hire Mike Leach. You get people with credibility in the room. You have people whose reputation precedes them going to bat for you.
Chun and Schulz? Really? They should be fired. Wtf else do they have to do now? Schedule d2 and NAIA games? Maybe bake some cookies and cut orange slices? Awful.
Isn't that what I said? Had they been on top of it, trying their best to keep the conference together while trying to find us a suitable landing top if the collapse happened, and they failed in the effort, people would not be pissed at them. The best you can do, is all you can do -- but they they did nothing, zero, despite all the reports of the imminent collapse. There is a huge difference between going down swing, and doing nothing. They did nothing.
Stop the revisionism. We know what Schulz was doing on the night before the collapse, he was in a meeting with our regents, explaining to them how the Pac-12 would be leading the Power 5 into the future. Please read!
"On Thursday, WSU President Kirk Schulz and Athletics Director Pat Chun presented to me an innovative media plan that would position the Pac-12 to lead the Power Five conferences into the future," Schauer said. "The following morning, they were stunned when the University of Washington and the University of Oregon decided to accept offers from the Big 10. This was not expected based on what appeared to be good faith negotiations."
Washington State Board of Regents chair says 'no one on WSU team to blame' after Pac-12 implosion
Washington State is one of the few remaining schools in the Pac-12 after five schools departed the embattled conference on Friday.
www.king5.com
"Stunned" you have to be kidding!
Its not revisionism, all parties involved thought there was a deal to vote the next morning and move forward. UW was disingenous causing everything to crumble.Stop the revisionism. We know what Schulz was doing on the night before the collapse, he was in a meeting with our regents, explaining to them how the Pac-12 would be leading the Power 5 into the future. Please read!
"On Thursday, WSU President Kirk Schulz and Athletics Director Pat Chun presented to me an innovative media plan that would position the Pac-12 to lead the Power Five conferences into the future," Schauer said. "The following morning, they were stunned when the University of Washington and the University of Oregon decided to accept offers from the Big 10. This was not expected based on what appeared to be good faith negotiations."
Washington State Board of Regents chair says 'no one on WSU team to blame' after Pac-12 implosion
Washington State is one of the few remaining schools in the Pac-12 after five schools departed the embattled conference on Friday.
"Stunned" you have to be kidding!
It's not what you said. You said the opposite that they did nothing. I'm just asking to provide any semblance if proof they've done nothing. I have a hard time believing they didn't make any phone calls and inquiries. Just because they didn't release it in a public statement doesn't mean it didn't happen. WSU has pretty much has zero leverage, they could have wanted to be the first team to jump ship and its likely no one would take us. Hell most of our own conference probably didn't want us.
And you know they did nothing how? Maybe you’re right but you are only guessing: there was no doubt tons of shit happening behind curtains that we have no idea about.
Schulz and Chun weren’t the only ones clueless and stunned by UO and UW the next morning: so were 7 other schools.
See above Willie, they didn't do nothing, they were giving a presentation to the regents utterly clueless of the circumstances they, WSU and the conference faced. Fair?
the entire conference was clueless, sans oregon and uw, yet it is all on chun and schultz?
Similar to the Hawaii Army and Navy commanders on the eve Pearl Habor? They got canned! Why should Schulz and Chun not be held responsible? They had similar warnings, see this article from the day before:
Big Ten leaders authorize commissioner to explore adding Oregon, Washington as expansion teams, per report
The league is reportedly taking additional steps while considering adding the Ducks and Huskies to the conference
www.cbssports.com
I don’t care about the rest of the conference. Shultz and Chun are the President and AD of my school. Supposed forward thinkers, overseeing 100’s of millions of dollars, Faculty, Students and Alums.
They failed.
"Head the sand" maybe, clueless, no way, there were warning signs aplenty. If this isn't a warning sign, what is, especial when the bad Apple 25 million dollar pitch was made on Monday.
Big Ten leaders authorize commissioner to explore adding Oregon, Washington as expansion teams, per report
The league is reportedly taking additional steps while considering adding the Ducks and Huskies to the conference
www.cbssports.com
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