Pendergast linked to WSU job

[wulffui]

Re: Wow...I am going to have to re-read what I wrote...Cause not sure

Hopefully to turn those repetitive arguments into three posts instead of thirty.

"I said this!"

"No, you said this- look here, here, and here."

"You're right, thank you for bringing this to my attention."

Aaaaand... scene!

 

[britton ransford]

Re: Wow...I am going to have to re-read what I wrote...Cause not sure

Originally posted by CougarChief:

Originally posted by Britton Ransford:
As a bonus, the new message boards we'll be getting prior to signing day (hopefully) will have a tool that allows you to search for posts, favorite posts to look at later and more. Plus a bunch of other cool stuff that makes these debates more efficient.

Search for posts? Why would we need to do that when every thread devolves to the same argument EVERY DAMN TIME?

Mostly for laughs. And it's easier to search for people to ban that continually break the rules that way.

 

[britton ransford]

Re: Or December 10th through the 7th...which is by definition

Originally posted by CougEd:
is everyday for the last 45.

Yo, dgibbons, CougEd and spongebob, you guys are arguing about searching through posts now, so let's just stop. Thanks!

 

[CougarChief]

Re: Wow...I am going to have to re-read what I wrote...Cause not sure

Originally posted by Britton Ransford:

Originally posted by CougarChief:

Originally posted by Britton Ransford:
As a bonus, the new message boards we'll be getting prior to signing day (hopefully) will have a tool that allows you to search for posts, favorite posts to look at later and more. Plus a bunch of other cool stuff that makes these debates more efficient.

Search for posts? Why would we need to do that when every thread devolves to the same argument EVERY DAMN TIME?

Mostly for laughs. And it's easier to search for people to ban that continually break the rules that way.

Just joking Britton, the banter is enjoyable for the most part, and when it inevitably takes a turn it's easy to just hop to the next thread!

 

[Coug1990]

Re: Some could argue...those who believe we should have one announced by now...

Originally posted by wulffui:
Don't forget Bill Moos, bearer of false expectation. If he hadn't said it would be quick, there wouldn't be these unfulfilled expectations- the hallmark of the Moos/Leach era.

Unfortunately, Moos did come out with that comment. I am sure that is what he thought would occur because he believed they had a coached somewhat lined up. In the Football Scoop twitter account that Brittion linked, it may have been Sitake that was going to be the new coordinator. But, look at the events that took place for him to end up in Corvallis.

Bo Polini gets fired at Nebraska. Out of left field, Nebraska hires Mike Riley from OSU. Out of left field again, OSU hires Andersen from Wisconsin. Andersen and Sitake have a long history together at Utah and Andersen offers him the DC job that he accepts.

It is somewhat similar to Maihen, he was committed to the Cougars. But, an offer came to him that he could not refuse. Same with Sitake, an offer came to him that he was more comfortable.

That is a possible reason why it has taken so long. Leach had to wait for his number one choice and a series of unlikely events changed everything. There are still good candidates out there and I for one, am happy that Leach is taking his time to get this right.

 

[britton ransford]

Re: Wow...I am going to have to re-read what I wrote...Cause not sure

Originally posted by CougarChief:

Originally posted by Britton Ransford:

Originally posted by CougarChief:

Originally posted by Britton Ransford:
As a bonus, the new message boards we'll be getting prior to signing day (hopefully) will have a tool that allows you to search for posts, favorite posts to look at later and more. Plus a bunch of other cool stuff that makes these debates more efficient.

Search for posts? Why would we need to do that when every thread devolves to the same argument EVERY DAMN TIME?

Mostly for laughs. And it's easier to search for people to ban that continually break the rules that way.

Just joking Britton, the banter is enjoyable for the most part, and when it inevitably takes a turn it's easy to just hop to the next thread!

Lucky you! I wish I could do the same.

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: Some could argue...those who believe we should have one announced by now...

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by wulffui:
Don't forget Bill Moos, bearer of false expectation. If he hadn't said it would be quick, there wouldn't be these unfulfilled expectations- the hallmark of the Moos/Leach era.

Unfortunately, Moos did come out with that comment. I am sure that is what he thought would occur because he believed they had a coached somewhat lined up. In the Football Scoop twitter account that Brittion linked, it may have been Sitake that was going to be the new coordinator. But, look at the events that took place for him to end up in Corvallis.

Bo Polini gets fired at Nebraska. Out of left field, Nebraska hires Mike Riley from OSU. Out of left field again, OSU hires Andersen from Wisconsin. Andersen and Sitake have a long history together at Utah and Andersen offers him the DC job that he accepts.

It is somewhat similar to Maihen, he was committed to the Cougars. But, an offer came to him that he could not refuse. Same with Sitake, an offer came to him that he was more comfortable.

That is a possible reason why it has taken so long. Leach had to wait for his number one choice and a series of unlikely events changed everything. There are still good candidates out there and I for one, am happy that Leach is taking his time to get this right.

Rational thought has no place here. You do know that, right?

 

[spongebob11]

Re: A legit question...why?

Well...its been proven to work..and its the formula that has generated the beat defenses we've ever had... Including the #1 defense in the nation.

Further, it worked with undersized lightly recruited players.


Switching to the 3-4 has been a disaster...just as I said it would be.

You need an Alabama type nose tackle to run it...and they are the rarest specimen in football there is.

 

[wulffui]

Re: A legit question...why?

Yes, they're so rare, we haven't had one since... jeez, last year?

 

[spongebob11]

Re: A legit question...why?

Notice I said an ALABAMA type nose...the kid that gets taken at the top of the NFL draft.

 

[britton ransford]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by spongebob11:
Notice I said an ALABAMA type nose...the kid that gets taken at the top of the NFL draft.

So essentially you're saying that 1-2 teams in the country can effectively run a 3-4 defense on a yearly basis.


This post was edited on 1/9 3:57 PM by Britton Ransford

 

[dgibbons]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by spongebob11:
Well...its been proven to work..and its the formula that has generated the beat defenses we've ever had... Including the #1 defense in the nation.

Further, it worked with undersized lightly recruited players.


Switching to the 3-4 has been a disaster...just as I said it would be.

You need an Alabama type nose tackle to run it...and they are the rarest specimen in football there is.

And the 4-3 was such a raging success in the prior four years.

The DL has not been the problem, especially last season.

 

[spongebob11]

Re: A legit question...why?

Well any team can run a 3-4...only a handful of teams can run it effectively.

Hell..not a ton of teams in the nfl are able to run the 3-4 for that reason.

 

[spongebob11]

Re: A legit question...why?

You are missing the point as usual.

Its not the 3-4 itself is the problem..its getting the proper personnel that's the issue

 

[Coug1990]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by spongebob11:
Well any team can run a 3-4...only a handful of teams can run it effectively.

Hell..not a ton of teams in the nfl are able to run the 3-4 for that reason.

Really? Maybe it is true, maybe it isn't. What NFL teams are running the 3-4 and how are they doing defensively? Thanks

 

[spongebob11]

Re: A legit question...why?

You are welcome to do the research yourself. Thanks.

 

[Coug1990]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by spongebob11:
You are welcome to do the research yourself. Thanks.

Wait a minute. You made a definitive statement regarding the NFL and the 3-4. Why would I have to do the research? I would think that before making that statement, you would already know. Do you? Or don't you?

 

[britton ransford]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by spongebob11:
You are welcome to do the research yourself. Thanks.

Wait a minute. You made a definitive statement regarding the NFL and the 3-4. Why would I have to do the research? I would think that before making that statement, you would already know. Do you? Or don't you?

I'll help you out, spongebob11. So, here's the 3-4 defenses in the NFL: Saints, Eagles, Redskins, Packers, Cardinals, 49ers, Seahawks* (hybrid), Texans, Colts, Bills, Patriots* (hybrid), Jets, Ravens, Browns, Steelers, Chiefs and Chargers.

In terms of scoring defense, here's how those teams rank: Saints (28), Eagles (22), Redskins (29), Packers (13), Cardinals (5), 49ers (10), Seahawks* (1), Texans (7), Colts (19), Bills (4), Patriots* (8), Jets (24), Ravens (6), Browns (9), Steelers (18), Chiefs (2) and Chargers (13).

Therefore, the 3-4 defense consists of the No. 1*, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8*, 9, 10, t-13 and t-13 scoring defenses in the NFL during the 2014 season.


This post was edited on 1/9 6:16 PM by Britton Ransford

 

[95coug]

Here you go...

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by spongebob11:
Well any team can run a 3-4...only a handful of teams can run it effectively.

Hell..not a ton of teams in the nfl are able to run the 3-4 for that reason.

Really? Maybe it is true, maybe it isn't. What NFL teams are running the 3-4 and how are they doing defensively? Thanks

Not quite half of the teams in the NFL use the 3-4 as their base D (15 teams).



49ersJetsChiefsRavensChargersColtsPackersTexansSteelersRedskinsBrownsCardinalsEaglesSaints9 of those teams are in the top half of the league in total yards per game:



49ers (5th)Jets (6th)Chiefs (7th)Ravens (8th)Chargers (9th)Colts (11th)Packers (15th)Texans (16th) 9 of them are also in the top half in points per game



Chiefs (2nd)Cardinals (5th)Ravens (6th)Texans (7th)Browns (9th)49ers (10th)Chargers (13th)Packers (13th)So...more than half of the teams that run the 3-4 are in the top half of the league in defense. I think that kind of says they're doing it successfully.

The kicker is that NFL defenses switch and play situational ball so much, it's hard to really pigeonhole any of them as a 3-4 team.

Here's another measure though - of the 15 teams running a 3-4, 6 will be slotted in the top half of the first round, only 2 in the top 10:



Redskins (5)Jets (6)Browns (12)Saints (13)49ers (15)Texans (16)

 

[Whitworth-Coug]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by spongebob11:
Notice I said an ALABAMA type nose...the kid that gets taken at the top of the NFL draft.

There are currently 5 ALABAMA Def. Tackles in the NFL.
One was a 1st Rnd Draft Pick.

 

[spongebob11]

Re: A legit question...why?

Ok..admitidly I am not up to current events in the NFL. Used to be only a few NFL teams would run it (Pats, Cowboys etc)

Never said the defense itself wasn't effective...if you have the personnel to run it, its a great D that messes up blocking schemes.

On to the greater point of the argument, I don't believe we can get the nose as well as the lockdown corners needed to run this D.

This post was edited on 1/9 6:24 PM by spongebob11

 

[britton ransford]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by spongebob11:
Ok..admitidly I am not up to current events in the NFL. Used to be only a few NFL teams would run it (Pats, Cowboys etc)

Never said the defense itself wasn't effective...if you have the personnel to run it, its a great D that messes up blocking schemes.

On to the greater point of the argument, I don't believe we can get the nose as well as the lockdown corners needed to run this D.

This post was edited on 1/9 6:24 PM by spongebob11

This is a fair argument.

 

[spongebob11]

Re: A legit question...why?

I'm fair and balanced

Not to worry...you can drink on our tab in Pullman for any great hairs we may have added to your head

 

[britton ransford]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by spongebob11:
I'm fair and balanced

Not to worry...you can drink on our tab in Pullman for any great hairs we may have added to your head

Speaking of tabs, I'm about to go run one up. You guys play nice. Go Hawks.

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by spongebob11:
I'm fair and balanced

Not to worry...you can drink on our tab in Pullman for any great hairs we may have added to your head

Beers on Sponge! I knew he had some good in him! Btw, since your place is "My Office" grill and bar, I had not been there in quite a long time, but last season I visited. It seems far superior to the 'Page down the street. The crowd at the Sportspage was a bit strange.

This post was edited on 1/9 7:15 PM by YakiCoug

 

[spongebob11]

Re: A legit question...why?

Well..in the words of Ladanian Tomlinson, I'm actually a classy guy lol.

I actually like My Office better. Literally Walked right into Drew Bledsoe upon entering My Office the night before the 2010 Apple Cup. He was there with Toebeck.

My tab is getting up there so I'll dig deep into my bag of tricks and see to it these beers end up on someone else's tab

 

[wulffui]

Re: A legit question...why?

If the mumbling about Hawaii's DC has any credence, I'll run up all your tabs.

 

[Coug90]

Re: A legit question...why?

This is the dumbest argument ever. 3-4 vs 4-3 carries much less relevance than it did 5-10 years ago. Damn near every team has at least one D Lineman with the versatility to play multiple techniques, inside/out, etc. most teams run a combination of 4-3, 3-4, and everyone standing amoeba looks as well. You need the 7 best options and it doesn't matter a lick whether someone's hand is in the dirt or not. Either way offenses can adjust.

 

[wazzupdx]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by Coug90:
This is the dumbest argument ever. 3-4 vs 4-3 carries much less relevance than it did 5-10 years ago. Damn near every team has at least one D Lineman with the versatility to play multiple techniques, inside/out, etc. most teams run a combination of 4-3, 3-4, and everyone standing amoeba looks as well. You need the 7 best options and it doesn't matter a lick whether someone's hand is in the dirt or not. Either way offenses can adjust.

Exactly this, good post. the 3-4 and 4-3 are not really that different. WSU last year many times had 4 "down lineman." Just having four guys touching the ground pre snap doesn't matter. It's about scheming and coaching, something which our DC last year could not properly do.

 

[britton ransford]

Re: A legit question...why?

Originally posted by wazzupdx:

Originally posted by Coug90:
This is the dumbest argument ever. 3-4 vs 4-3 carries much less relevance than it did 5-10 years ago. Damn near every team has at least one D Lineman with the versatility to play multiple techniques, inside/out, etc. most teams run a combination of 4-3, 3-4, and everyone standing amoeba looks as well. You need the 7 best options and it doesn't matter a lick whether someone's hand is in the dirt or not. Either way offenses can adjust.

Exactly this, good post. the 3-4 and 4-3 are not really that different. WSU last year many times had 4 "down lineman." Just having four guys touching the ground pre snap doesn't matter. It's about scheming and coaching, something which our DC last year could not properly do.

WSU was about as multiple as it gets, though they ran a base 3-4. And yes, a lot of teams do that. The premise of the argument was base 3-4 defenses, however.

 

[spongebob11]

Re: A legit question...why?

The 3-4 and 4-3 are co.pketely different. It's not just in the aligmnet but also what the difference in what the linebackers do in the 2 defenses.

 

[Coug90]

Re: A legit question...why?

In any good defensive scheme, all linebackers will tackle, cover, run blitz, and pass blitz.