Rolo going "scorched earth"
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Is he a practicing catholic? He made no mention of religious issues in his talk with June Jones, at least as far as Jones said in his ESPN interview
The clean and easy way was to fire them for cause when they didn't comply with the deadline. Now, whether that holds up will be determined in court.
He went to Catholic school. I'm assuming that he and his family (mom's tweets) are hardcore pro-lifers.
Hard to look at it objectively and not think it was targeted. I mean, this super secret blind committee gets five exemptions passed across their desk and they supposedly don't know who it's for? Color me skeptical.
Again - comparing to the VAST majority of school teachers that given exemptions and accommodations (I believe Mead SD was 100%), how is WSU that much different than a secondary educational institution? They have classes, they have administrators, they have extra curricular activities/sports.
Would hate to be the IT guy who has to decide whether to delete Chun's emails or save them. Might be something pretty spicy in there.
I suppose if Rolo needed to have a vaccine passport to get on a plane for an away game, that might be an issue - but for now, that isn't a thing. Jay should call Kate and get her to put forth a proclamation that all visitors who are coaching football games in Oregon need to show their papers.
Chun needs to get Hilary's lawyers on the phone.
I doubt this thing gets settled. Chun hates Rolo. Rolo hates Chun. This is way beyond $$. The police escort and the inability to meet w team one more time says many things. The fired assistants didn't have a police escort. I think the case will be focused on Chun's actions just as much Before the mandate than after. Receipts have been kept.
Police escort was bush league, for sure. Very telling.
Is it known if the other 4 coaches exemption requests were denied? If they all were something doesn’t quite smell right unless they were all written with the same theme and they consistently rejected that line of thinking from all the requests. Would also be interesting to know what % of exemption requests at WSU were denied.
Jack boots need practice jack booting, you know.
You can't just got straight into full on jack booting without a little exhibition work. That's crazy. Get the equivalent of Cal Poly as a warm up before the sh*t really hits the fan.
And while Jacobsen might be quoted, note that the penalty for non-compliance was not excessive. Being fired from one's means of support is far worse than a $150 ($5 back in 1904). It seems there can be some parallel to the excessive fines doctrine here. Shrug.
The no credit score thing made rates go up for those with good scores and down for people with bad scores, per my agent.It sounds like it might get reversed per a recent decision. Doubt if I’ll get e refund though.
Things probably got tense when Rolo couldn’t attend the coaches preseason thing.
Things probably got tense when Rolo couldn’t attend the coaches preseason thing.
I posted in another thread that across the WSU campuses there are 1200 unvaxxed, presumably with exemptions, so the answer is A LOT.
Hasn't this particular mandate been upheld in court though?
Yes, that's correct. Just based on my experience, more people's rates increased than decreased. That may just be my particular book of business though.
And yes, the decision is being challenged and may be overturned. That doesn't change the fact your rate probably went up, and will remain up until your policy renews again.
No, the judge didn't issue an injunction that would block the mandate until it could be heard. Presumably the plantiffs would be able to seek remedy if the mandate gets thrown out at a later date. Aka monetary damages.
Thank you. I'm no attorney, so just trying to understand all this the best I can.
The guy is FOS. Go celebrate your "muh Freedom" decision that cost you your $3M job. Here is the Vatican's stance on Covid vaccinations.
www.cacatholic.org
Catholic Moral Teaching and Tradition on COVID-19 Vaccines - California Catholic Conference
The Vatican’s doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), has determined that it is “morally acceptable” for Catholics to take these vaccines against the COVID-19 Virus. Their determination is deeply rooted in the Catholic moral tradition. (En Español) As the Pfizer...
www.cacatholic.org
It goes both ways. Stuff will come out both ways . They will look at past texts from Chun to Rolo and Vice versa . They will ask him why he scrubbed his Twitter account . Was there something inappropriate in the account? Does he really follow QaNon ? Why was he not at media day? Why did June Jones say you told him you just didn’t need the shot then say you were going to file a religious exemption . When was the last time you attended a Catholic Church in Pullman .
Are you vaccinated, are your kids vaccinated? A reporter mentioned that he talked to people in Hawaii and said you hate being told what to do, especially by the government … is that true? Do you rebel against authority ?
So it is a two way street . And if it was Mike Leach I think he is more sophisticated and would stand a better chance at winning the argument .
It is morally acceptable but not morally obligatory. Further, it is the mandate here that is the real problem, not the vaccine itself. Here's a link to the actual CDF document from the Vatican (which I shared earlier in the thread):The guy is FOS. Go celebrate your "muh Freedom" decision that cost you your $3M job. Here is the Vatican's stance on Covid vaccinations.
Catholic Moral Teaching and Tradition on COVID-19 Vaccines - California Catholic Conference
The Vatican’s doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), has determined that it is “morally acceptable” for Catholics to take these vaccines against the COVID-19 Virus. Their determination is deeply rooted in the Catholic moral tradition. (En Español) As the Pfizer...
Note on the morality of using some anti-Covid-19 vaccines (21 December 2020)
Note on the morality of using some anti-Covid-19 vaccines, 21 December 2020
www.vatican.va
That very same document said (emphasis mine):
Do you have to attend in Pullman? There are Catholic churches in Moscow, Colfax, Genesse, Colton, Uniontow, Lewiston, Clarkston, Rosalia, Spokane, ....
Indeed, there is even a "traditional" church in Post Falls. Perhaps he's of that variety? Further, perhaps he's discussed with the Bishop to receive a dispensation on Sundays during the season. Perhaps he has a private mass said at his home. There are *a lot* of options.
But the key one probably is that the Diocese of Spokane has a general dispensation from attending mass:
Guidelines for Ongoing Parish Ministry
October 2nd, 2020 <br> As members of the one Body of Christ, we must be united and steadfast in our worship of God, the proclamation of the Gospel, and love of our neighbor. This holds true both in times of relative stability and of great disruption – as we have experienced these past eight...
dioceseofspokane.org
From there:
Attendance and Sunday Obligation:
• Before attending any parish event, individuals should self-screen for signs and symptoms of COVID-19 .vi Anyone who has symptoms (especially a fever of 100.4 °F) not related to another condition must not attend parish events, including Mass. Anyone with a household member diagnosed with COVID-19 or presenting symptoms not related to another condition must also abstain from parish events, including Mass.
• Vulnerable, at risk, or otherwise concerned persons are advised to remain at home.
• The dispensation from the obligation to attend Sunday Mass remains in place until further notice. However, individuals unable to attend Sunday Mass in person ought to perform some other spiritual practice to mark the importance of the Lord’s Day.
If the vaccination is morally acceptable in the Catholic doctrine and the concept of vaccine mandates is well established in US law, I don't see a valid defense using a religious exemption when the procedure is question is acceptable within the church doctrinal teachings
The exemption relies upon the coercion aspect, not on the moral acceptability of the vaccine itself.
Anybody have any insight onto why they hate each other?
The lawsuit says he knew he was getting fired in April...so I wonder if there are other things beside the vaccine.
Makes sense on Rolo's demeanor and the recruiting.
The lawsuit says he knew he was getting fired in April...so I wonder if there are other things beside the vaccine.
Makes sense on Rolo's demeanor and the recruiting.
Serious question here for all...what happens with recruiting right now?
You don't know if Dickert will be the guy (though the way the D has played, you'd like to see him maybe stay...you know with Coach Pete
), I assume he'll recruit as this was his program in the future. Every candidate is going to want to recruit their guys. The momentum that the team had in depth and talent will be likely gone in the next season (at the latest). So this is the biggest looming issue in my mind. Feels like this class may be a wash, which kills everything.How long do you allow Dickert show his abilities before getting ahead of hiring the best candidate to lead this team forward so recruiting can start? This is an open-ended question, but things I've been considering as the program moves forward.
Nothing good.Serious question here for all...what happens with recruiting right now?
You don't know if Dickert will be the guy (though the way the D has played, you'd like to see him maybe stay...you know with Coach Pete
How long do you allow Dickert show his abilities before getting ahead of hiring the best candidate to lead this team forward so recruiting can start? This is an open-ended question, but things I've been considering as the program moves forward.
JCs and portal, I guess.
Church attendance =/= religious convictions in the slightest.Do you have to attend in Pullman? There are Catholic churches in Moscow, Colfax, Genesse, Colton, Uniontow, Lewiston, Clarkston, Rosalia, Spokane, ....
Indeed, there is even a "traditional" church in Post Falls. Perhaps he's of that variety? Further, perhaps he's discussed with the Bishop to receive a dispensation on Sundays during the season. Perhaps he has a private mass said at his home. There are *a lot* of options.
But the key one probably is that the Diocese of Spokane has a general dispensation from attending mass:
Guidelines for Ongoing Parish Ministry
October 2nd, 2020 <br> As members of the one Body of Christ, we must be united and steadfast in our worship of God, the proclamation of the Gospel, and love of our neighbor. This holds true both in times of relative stability and of great disruption – as we have experienced these past eight...
From there:
Attendance and Sunday Obligation:
• Before attending any parish event, individuals should self-screen for signs and symptoms of COVID-19 .vi Anyone who has symptoms (especially a fever of 100.4 °F) not related to another condition must not attend parish events, including Mass. Anyone with a household member diagnosed with COVID-19 or presenting symptoms not related to another condition must also abstain from parish events, including Mass.
• Vulnerable, at risk, or otherwise concerned persons are advised to remain at home.
• The dispensation from the obligation to attend Sunday Mass remains in place until further notice. However, individuals unable to attend Sunday Mass in person ought to perform some other spiritual practice to mark the importance of the Lord’s Day.
I haven't been to an organized Sunday service in probably 15 years. Doesn't mean me and the maker don't go into the prayer closet and have a chat on a regular basis. Doesn't mean I can't chapter and verse you to death if necessary. Not quite Samuel L. Jackson like but there's more than just John 3:16 that can be tossed into conversation and theologic/philosophic discussions along with application to every life.
And how is it that all 4 assistants who got let go weren't religious enough?
I am sure he was asked to get the vaccine, and that is when it all started. I imagine Chun said Nick we can't have another year where we have a hit and miss season and need to do everything possible. When can we schedule your vaccine? You can't I am not getting one.
There is a duty to preserve the moment that you believe litigation is possible. The IT guy better not have deleted anything. Hefty sanctions will occur. And I believe, though not positive, that if the data was not preserved then the allegations are presumed to be true.
I’m m sure Dgib or 95 can correct me where I’ve butchered this.
yes, I was being sarcastic.
University systems have (should have) co-location of all their systems and probably more backups than a 9th grade football team.
When it is all said and done, Rolo will either lose or get a small settlement to make this go away. I think he realizes this. His game plan is not to try to get big money; rather, his game plan all along has been to set it up so that he can get a settlement of some (any) sort. Terms of the settlement, like most settlements, will be "no comment" after the fact. That will let him claim that he sued and that it was settled...and that he cannot legally comment beyond that, under the terms of the settlement. Face saving, and potentially career saving to some extent, if it is settled quickly. If it drags out and he loses, he may never again work in any responsible, trusted capacity in an upper level football setting. So he will be motivated to settle, unless he is even more delusional than his behavior to this point suggests.
I'm not sure your reply was meant for me. If so, I agree....mostly.
First off, the Church requires attendance on all holy days of obligation. In the US that includes every Sunday, plus Solemnity of Mary, Ascension of Jesus, All Saints Day, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, and Christmas. Failing to attend without sufficient reason indicates a lack of either a) faithfulness to the Church or b) lack of conviction. Now, we all fail. Some drink too much after a Coug game and can't make it Sunday morning, some choose to ignore it, and some think "I'd rather watch TV and drink coffee."
Not sure but you could point to a number of things:
Maybe Chun wasn’t thrilled about him meeting with alums and paying for beers right from the get-go. Seemed to put off some.
I’m sure how the Woods situation was handled caused some issues along with the on again 2020 scheduled. Maybe there were words after situations like the team getting of the bus (Stanford?) only to be sent home due to covid.
Rolo announcement that if the team was bowl eligible, they wouldn’t attend could of caused a rift or maybe it was Chun’s idea all along and Rolo wasn’t happy about it.
Then came the media day followed by the mandate. I am sure coversation about both were had long before each.
Also, if its true that Rolo new back in early April what do you make of Chun’s comments about the team being the most talented team ever during the spring game. Its been a weird 2 years. But from my limited perspective they both seem to be acting like children. Seen this kinda behavior from coaches, not so much ADs.
Patrol has said it several times . He sure appeared to want out, like Pullman wasn’t his families ideal place to live. Maybe home sick. The guy who came into town is a different guy who he was even the start of media day .
I think this bothered him to be told what to do. But I have a feeling if he was invested differently he would have done what he needed to do. I think it was calculated . If they fire me I will get money one way or another . And if I don’t I will take my 6 mil and sell my house and move on back to Hawaii
If there are e-mails, they're not going anywhere.
Burden of proof is on the plaintiff, but in a civil suit he only has to be 51% convincing.
A jury in a civil trial is a football coach's dream. 7-5 is good enough to get you paid.
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