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Rolo going "scorched earth"

If there are e-mails, they're not going anywhere.

Burden of proof is on the plaintiff, but in a civil suit he only has to be 51% convincing.

A jury in a civil trial is a football coach's dream. 7-5 is good enough to get you paid.
Even if the case doesn’t settle, seems likely much if will be resolved by summary judgment (at least partially) rather than a trial. See what happens in discovery from both parties, certainly could see some dispute on material facts that matter, but much of it will be strictly issue of law.
 
His attorney has released a pretty pretty heated statement. They're pursuing legal action and claiming WSU discriminated against him for his Catholic faith.

A few important things to note from the release. First, Rolo's exemption was denied by the blind party review. He was not denied accommodations as it didn't even get that far. I know that was not known as of yesterday.

Second, the statement confirms he's Catholic, so kind of clarifies what his reason was for filing the exemption. Of course, a lot of people are linking the statements made by The Pope himself about vaccinations.

Third, the attorneys of Wazzuwatch can explain greater than I, but it's my understanding there is quite a legal precedent set for vaccine mandates, so I don't know if his suit will get far. Also, the exemption review was done blindly, so I don't know if he can claim discrimination. I wonder if he's just trying to air some dirty laundry for Chun a
I doubt this thing gets settled. Chun hates Rolo. Rolo hates Chun. This is way beyond $$. The police escort and the inability to meet w team one more time says many things. The fired assistants didn't have a police escort. I think the case will be focused on Chun's actions just as much Before the mandate than after. Receipts have been kept.
 
This will settle, they all do, but the damage to Rolo's career by suing will be long lasting. No school will hire him after this - Maybe if he was a little bit better coach, but he isn't. This will end up being a cheap buyout for bad hire.
 
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Even if the case doesn’t settle, seems likely much if will be resolved by summary judgment (at least partially) rather than a trial. See what happens in discovery from both parties, certainly could see some dispute on material facts that matter, but much of it will be strictly issue of law.
General allegations of discrimination are not going to go far, there's going to have to be some documentable basis. He's going to have to have something that demonstrates a pattern of discrimination for this to get past the preliminaries.
 
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Patrol has said it several times . He sure appeared to want out, like Pullman wasn’t his families ideal place to live. Maybe home sick. The guy who came into town is a different guy who he was even the start of media day .

I think this bothered him to be told what to do. But I have a feeling if he was invested differently he would have done what he needed to do. I think it was calculated . If they fire me I will get money one way or another . And if I don’t I will take my 6 mil and sell my house and move on back to Hawaii
Can he get back into Hawaii at the moment? Don't you have to be vaccinated?
 
I'm not sure your reply was meant for me. If so, I agree....mostly.

First off, the Church requires attendance on all holy days of obligation. In the US that includes every Sunday, plus Solemnity of Mary, Ascension of Jesus, All Saints Day, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, and Christmas. Failing to attend without sufficient reason indicates a lack of either a) faithfulness to the Church or b) lack of conviction. Now, we all fail. Some drink too much after a Coug game and can't make it Sunday morning, some choose to ignore it, and some think "I'd rather watch TV and drink coffee."
I'm not a papist though fluent in certain traditions of the Irish-Catholics.

Primarily those related to consuming fermented grapes and grains.

Peace be with ya!
 
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I agree, but religious exemptions are open ended. You can't (legally) argue, "well, the Pope says this, so all Catholics must move forward."
Then there is Rolo's profession faith as told to June Jones, "I don't want it, don't think I need it, don't like being told what to do." Has there ever been a more devoted expression of the "faith of self absorption?"

And this utter grace is going to be lionized by many as a religious martyr, along the lines of Joan of Arc, Thomas Beckett and Margaret Clitherow, true people "of Faith" and died for it! If there is a god, I hope he is the mean arse old testament god, and tears Rolo a new one.
 
Then there is Rolo's profession faith as told to June Jones, "I don't want it, don't think I need it, don't like being told what to do." Has there ever been a more devoted expression of the "faith of self absorption?"

And this utter grace is going to be lionized by many as a religious martyr, along the lines of Joan of Arc, Thomas Beckett and Margaret Clitherow, true people "of Faith" and died for it! If there is a god, I hope he is the mean arse old testament god, and tears Rolo a new one.
God is capitalized. Heathens ….
 
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I haven't seen this much discussion of religion since, well, ever. And guess who is coming to Pullman this weekend.
 
Pretty simple, blind or not, a committee of folks employed by WSU denied him his God given right to refuse an experimental medical procedure. By denying his religious exemption, the school just opened themselves up. Many folks misunderstand what a religious exemption is and the definition of religion. It has nothing to do with the Pope or anyone else at the pulpit, it all revolves around a sincerely held belief that no man can or should be able to question. As soon as we allow administrators at our place of work to apply a litmus test to our sincere held beliefs, that my friends is the beginning of the end.

You also must consider how other state institutions analyzed and ruled on other religious exemptions, other college coaches were granted exemptions and accomidated. This should come out in discovery if it goes that far.
So, if Rolo was refused his god given right, he's vaxxed, the problem's solved, right? He might have a claim for battery, but he's back to work, right?

I would like to know when god passed the law, or promulgated the holy executive order, granting the right to refuse experimental vaccines? I must have missed it in my bible updates. As for your heresy that it ain't about the Pope, WHAT! You are talking about god's apostle on earth, the holy father, the holy see, who is infallible and fully vaxxed. Rolo, a convenient man of faith, is going to come over to your house and punch you in the nose, shortly after he checks his bank account and after the media arrives. Wouldn't want to break a nail, without media.

The hypocrite found his faith exactly when he signed his request, according to June Jones. So stop transferring your apparent sincere belief on Rolo. You and your gullibility are being played.
 
So, if Rolo was refused his god given right, he's vaxxed, the problem's solved, right? He might have a claim for battery, but he's back to work, right?

I would like to know when god passed the law, or promulgated the holy executive order, granting the right to refuse experimental vaccines? I must have missed it in my bible updates. As for your heresy that it ain't about the Pope, WHAT! You are talking about god's apostle on earth, the holy father, the holy see, who is infallible and fully vaxxed. Rolo, a convenient man of faith, is going to come over to your house and punch you in the nose, shortly after he checks his bank account and after the media arrives. Wouldn't want to break a nail, without media.

The hypocrite found his faith exactly when he signed his request, according to June Jones. So stop transferring your apparent sincere belief on Rolo. You and your gullibility are being played.
Sooo much incorrect and misunderstood.

“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.” - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
 
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It is morally acceptable but not morally obligatory. Further, it is the mandate here that is the real problem, not the vaccine itself. Here's a link to the actual CDF document from the Vatican (which I shared earlier in the thread):


That very same document said (emphasis mine):
yeah, well... that would require actually understanding what you've read.
 
This will settle, they all do, but the damage to Rolo's career by suing will be long lasting. No school will hire him after this - Maybe if he was a little bit better coach, but he isn't. This will end up being a cheap buyout for bad hire.
yeah, totally ruined Leachs career. Good point.
 
I assumed there was tension between Chun and Rolo, not sure why, it might have all started with the shot, who knows. Chun got along with Lane Kiffin and Mike Leach, neither one of those are easy to deal with. I do think Rolo was calling a bluff on the anti vax stance and figured he was more secure after the 3 game win streak, and I am sure his lawyer told him he had him covered even if he was fired. Needless to say the state wasn't bluffing. This is Washington State University, a public institution that reports to the State of Washington, over 20% of the state's budget goes to higher education, so don't think there isn't a lot of push and influence from Olympia on this. Rolo may see it more as Chun not liking him, but this whole push to get vaxed goes way above Chun. It really starts with Dimslee. I still think the mandate is BS, and I don't see how the judges keep ruling in favor of it, but I am no legal expert. This whole vax thing has allowed the state to get away with a lot, from rent payment and eviction moratoriums, to no credit scoring on insurance, which caused most peoples premiums to go up, to this terrible long term care tax we are stuck with now. Everyone needs to take a closer looks at what these dictators in Olympia are doing to all of us.
Probably because over 700,00 people have died.
 
Sooo much incorrect and misunderstood.

“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.” - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
Grew up Catholic, indoctrinated by nuns in school over many years, daily catechism for 8 years in school. I remember when virtually every Catholic was Democrats, back in the day when to be Republican was to be protestant, and feared and hate Catholics. Left the Church and religion when it went bat shite crazy in the 80s, stopped its "good works" mission to serve the poor, the down trodden, to fight for social justice like Jesus, wouldn't come clean about the abuse, and became yet another protestant faith, you know, worshiping the god of money above all, and ignoring the primary calling of the faith that "faith without works is nothing." Can Pope Francis turn it around and make Catholicism a badge of honor once again? We can only hope! I don't believe the nonsense anymore, but I respect good people doing good works, true Catholics. That is what I was taught it was to be Catholic. Rolo isn't on that spectrum.

You do know that Sheen will never be beatified because of his involvement in hiding sex abuse. Quoting a criminal, that's rich, but indicative.
 
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If there are e-mails, they're not going anywhere.

Burden of proof is on the plaintiff, but in a civil suit he only has to be 51% convincing.

A jury in a civil trial is a football coach's dream. 7-5 is good enough to get you paid.
Ok
So, if Rolo was refused his god given right, he's vaxxed, the problem's solved, right? He might have a claim for battery, but he's back to work, right?

I would like to know when god passed the law, or promulgated the holy executive order, granting the right to refuse experimental vaccines? I must have missed it in my bible updates. As for your heresy that it ain't about the Pope, WHAT! You are talking about god's apostle on earth, the holy father, the holy see, who is infallible and fully vaxxed. Rolo, a convenient man of faith, is going to come over to your house and punch you in the nose, shortly after he checks his bank account and after the media arrives. Wouldn't want to break a nail, without media.

The hypocrite found his faith exactly when he signed his request, according to June Jones. So stop transferring your apparent sincere belief on Rolo. You and your gullibility are being played.
Exactly
 
Grew up Catholic, indoctrinated by nuns in school over many years, daily catechism for 8 years in school. I remember when virtually every Catholic was Democrats, back in the day when to be Republican was to be protestant, and feared and hate Catholics. Left the Church and religion when it went bat shite crazy in the 80s, stopped its "good works" mission to serve the poor, the down trodden, to fight for social justice like Jesus, wouldn't come clean about the abuse, and became yet another protestant faith, you know, worshiping the god of money above all, and ignoring the primary calling of the faith that "faith without works is nothing." Can Pope Francis turn it around and make Catholicism a badge of honor once again? We can only hope! I don't believe the nonsense anymore, but I respect good people doing good works, true Catholics. That is what I was taught it was to be Catholic. Rolo isn't on that spectrum.

You do know that Sheen will never be beatified because of his involvement in hiding sex abuse. Quoting a criminal, that's rich, but indicative.
Do you mean can Pope Francis make Catholicism what *Cougsocal* wants it to be?

You do realize that Catholic church is the single largest charitable organization in the world? The Church operates schools, hospitals, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, drug treatment, marriage counseling, orphanages, and many, many more. The Economist estimated in 2010 that just the Catholic Church in the US spent $171 billion on charitable activity. That's just in the US.

So, in what sense did it stop "its 'good works' mission to serve the poor, the down trodden, to fight for social justice"? While certainly the abuse scandals are horrific and inexcusable, the answer is reform not abandonment.

Your ad hominem did nothing to address the point of Sheen's quote. And I think your post above provides further evidence of the truth of his statement.
 
Pope Francis is a communist at best and a bought and paid for corporate shill at worst. In today's bizarro world, possibly both.

He's certainly not John Paul who came from an oppressed communist country and defended human rights and liberty. Arguably, he not Reagan caused the collapse of communism with his ascension.
 
Serious question here for all...what happens with recruiting right now?

You don't know if Dickert will be the guy (though the way the D has played, you'd like to see him maybe stay...you know with Coach Pete ;)), I assume he'll recruit as this was his program in the future. Every candidate is going to want to recruit their guys. The momentum that the team had in depth and talent will be likely gone in the next season (at the latest). So this is the biggest looming issue in my mind. Feels like this class may be a wash, which kills everything.

How long do you allow Dickert show his abilities before getting ahead of hiring the best candidate to lead this team forward so recruiting can start? This is an open-ended question, but things I've been considering as the program moves forward.
From a recruiting standpoint, the end of the season can't come soon enough. Get a new coach hired ASAP and hope the recruits you like are willing to stay committed and see who the new guy is. Any recruit with a viable alternative is probably gone.

We've seen good transitions and disastrous ones. Wulff came in to only a handful of recruits and filled the class with possibly the worst recruiting class I've ever seen at WSU. Leach came into a fuller class, gutted half of it and added guys like Destiny, Gabe Marks & Allison. Basically, does the new guy have some pull or not?

The hope here is you retain a few of the guys you already have, the new coach brings a few guys he had committed at his previous spot, then you fill the rest with JCs & portal guys, I guess.
 
Patrol has said it several times . He sure appeared to want out, like Pullman wasn’t his families ideal place to live. Maybe home sick. The guy who came into town is a different guy who he was even the start of media day .

I think this bothered him to be told what to do. But I have a feeling if he was invested differently he would have done what he needed to do. I think it was calculated . If they fire me I will get money one way or another . And if I don’t I will take my 6 mil and sell my house and move on back to Hawaii
I don't know about that. Took him 7 weeks of the season to get himself fired. He could have just coached out the remaining 5 and left in good standing and had many more opportunities for another job. This idea that he didn't like Pullman, so sabotaged his career seems kind of far fetched.
 
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yeah, totally ruined Leachs career. Good point.
I mean, he was unemployed for 2 years. When was the last time a coach with a 66% career winning percentage sat around waiting for the phone to ring for 2 years?

Didn't "ruin" his career, but it certainly derailed it for a bit.
 
For what it is worth, that is pretty much standard procedure at large companies to Have an escort when one is ‘let go’ / fired. All very normal. It doesn’t ever look good, but it’s pretty normal.
I agree. Though it isn't usually police. It might be security, though often just a few HR folk. If it was indeed actual WSU Police, it is quite bush league.
 
For what it is worth, that is pretty much standard procedure at large companies to Have an escort when one is ‘let go’ / fired. All very normal. It doesn’t ever look good, but it’s pretty normal.
except none of the assistants were escorted. It would appear to be targeted at Rolo.
 
General allegations of discrimination are not going to go far, there's going to have to be some documentable basis. He's going to have to have something that demonstrates a pattern of discrimination for this to get past the preliminaries.
If that is even a claim. This is a press release. I imagine the legality of the mandate will have to be raised.
 
I don't know about that. Took him 7 weeks of the season to get himself fired. He could have just coached out the remaining 5 and left in good standing and had many more opportunities for another job. This idea that he didn't like Pullman, so sabotaged his career seems kind of far fetched.
And if you decide to sabotage yourself, at least make sure you get the money.
 
I agree. Though it isn't usually police. It might be security, though often just a few HR folk. If it was indeed actual WSU Police, it is quite bush league.
I was a lowly functionary, and I left willingly, but when I left WSU my supervisor walked me out.

I left a Hanford contractor (also willingly) and got escorted out of the building by security.

The only time I've heard of WSUPD escorting someone out, they also got in the back seat of a WSUPD car. I wonder if it was really PD, or if it was WSU security....who works under PD, and their uniforms don't look that much different.
 
Pope Francis is a communist at best and a bought and paid for corporate shill at worst. In today's bizarro world, possibly both.

He's certainly not John Paul who came from an oppressed communist country and defended human rights and liberty. Arguably, he not Reagan caused the collapse of communism with his ascension.
John Paul, like Francis lived/live their faith, John Paul II, would be behind bars if he were live today and dared to show up in this country. His good works early don't make up for his contemplable obstruction of justice late. He's worse than the "unenthusiastic member of the Hitler youth," the Nazi pope's own words, and that is saying a lot.

Praising Sheen, now JPII, and people wonder why so so many churches have closed.
 
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So, if Rolo was refused his god given right, he's vaxxed, the problem's solved, right? He might have a claim for battery, but he's back to work, right?

I would like to know when god passed the law, or promulgated the holy executive order, granting the right to refuse experimental vaccines? I must have missed it in my bible updates. As for your heresy that it ain't about the Pope, WHAT! You are talking about god's apostle on earth, the holy father, the holy see, who is infallible and fully vaxxed. Rolo, a convenient man of faith, is going to come over to your house and punch you in the nose, shortly after he checks his bank account and after the media arrives. Wouldn't want to break a nail, without media.

The hypocrite found his faith exactly when he signed his request, according to June Jones. So stop transferring your apparent sincere belief on Rolo. You and your gullibility are being played.
The Pope is a Jesuit.
 
Do you mean can Pope Francis make Catholicism what *Cougsocal* wants it to be?

You do realize that Catholic church is the single largest charitable organization in the world? The Church operates schools, hospitals, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, drug treatment, marriage counseling, orphanages, and many, many more. The Economist estimated in 2010 that just the Catholic Church in the US spent $171 billion on charitable activity. That's just in the US.

So, in what sense did it stop "its 'good works' mission to serve the poor, the down trodden, to fight for social justice"? While certainly the abuse scandals are horrific and inexcusable, the answer is reform not abandonment.

Your ad hominem did nothing to address the point of Sheen's quote. And I think your post above provides further evidence of the truth of his statement.
As for charitable work, to keep its tax exemption status, the Church is structured such that the vast majority of its "giving" goes to acquisitions, paying settlements, covering losses, maintaining church property and salaries. How much of that is real charity, free giving to the poor and needy? Sadly like most charities, its pennies on the dollar.

Ask yourself, where is that 171 billion in outreach in the USA alone exactly?

Scientology also claims it gives billions and billions to charity too, that charity is called building "reading rooms." I.e. buying and holding real estate. Don't be so naïve.
 
As for charitable work, to keep its tax exemption status, the Church is structured such that the vast majority of its "giving" goes to acquisitions, paying settlements, covering losses, maintaining church property and salaries. How much of that is real charity, free giving to the poor and needy? Sadly like most charities, its pennies on the dollar.

Ask yourself, where is that 171 billion in outreach in the USA alone exactly?

Scientology also claims it gives billions and billions to charity too, that charity is called building "reading rooms." I.e. buying and holding real estate. Don't be so naïve.
All one has to do is visit the Vatican and witness the enormous amount of hoarding.
 
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