Semi Official, Unofficial WSU vs ASU game thread

[mikalalas]

Its past time that there is a Basketball Game thread.

There is almost always a game thread for each game in football.

Instead of the never ending bashing of a certain player that I will not name, lets have a Game thread.

So this is the game thread.

This or somebody else post a Gamethread.

Game time 6 pm vs ASU.

Pac 12 Network TV.

Any other way to watch the game?

 

[SaveFerris]

Well, a pretty good effort to get it tied. Williams did a good job later in the half taking advantage of his length on the ASU guards. Kunc had a good half and Rodman and Jackson were solid.

 

[mikalalas]

Well, a pretty good effort to get it tied. Williams did a good job later in the half taking advantage of his length on the ASU guards. Kunc had a good half and Rodman and Jackson were solid.

2nd half up WSU up by 5

 

[mikalalas]

Missed call. Noah took a charge got called for blocking, because even tho he was directly in front, his feet were just barely moving.


Which is ok if your directly in front of offensive player, when offensive player makes contact with the defender

 

[mikalalas]

1 point 47 to 46 lead

 

[mikalalas]

1 point 47 to 46 lead

Please Remy please take more of those 30 to 33 ft 3's

 

[mikalalas]

Please Remy please take more of those 30 to 33 ft 3's

11 minutes left 1 point 47 to 46 WSU lead

 

[mikalalas]

Man williams is being called for a lot of block fouls instead of having them called charging

 

[mikalalas]

Man williams is being called for a lot of block fouls instead of having them called charging

WSU down by 3, Williams out with 4 fouls due to Refs unfair, unbalanced, not called both ways, all called blocking, instead of mix of blocking, charge fouls

 

[mikalalas]

WSU down by 3, Williams out with 4 fouls due to Refs unfair, unbalanced, not called both ways, all called blocking, instead of mix of blocking, charge fouls

WSU gone stone cold from 3 point range

 

[mikalalas]

WSU gone stone cold from 3 point range

53 to 47 ASU lead

 

[mikalalas]

Have to risk Noah, WSU might be down, behind by 9 if ASU hits all 3 freethrows for 3 point foul

 

[mikalalas]

Have to risk Noah, WSU might be down, behind by 9 if ASU hits all 3 freethrows for 3 point foul

7.24 left Williams back in WSU down 9

 

[mikalalas]

7.24 left Williams back in WSU down 9

WSU down 5

 

[mikalalas]

WSU down 5

Total BS FOUL CALL ON A 3 POINT RANGE PASS

 

[mikalalas]

Total BS FOUL CALL ON A 3 POINT RANGE PASS

Thanks to BS 3 point foul, and turnover WSU back down 9

 

[mikalalas]

Thanks to BS 3 point foul, and turnover WSU back down 9

4 min left WSU down 4

 

[mikalalas]

4 min left WSU down 4

2:45"left llay up and one WSU down 1

 

[mikalalas]

2:45"left llay up and one WSU down 1

All tied ASU ball 1 possession left

 

[mikalalas]

Game saving block by Dischon Jackson

 

[mikalalas]

OVERTIME

 

[mikalalas]

LUCKY DEEP DEEP STEP BACK 3 made by Remy for the loss.

Its the shot u want Remy to take.

Good Defense

Bad Shot selection

Good game on the road gut wrenching loss on road to ASU, LUCK, REFS

 

[mikalalas]

I think ASU will be OUT OF GAS by WSU's 2nd game, for WSU win 2nd game, as ASU not as deep of a bench.

 

[mikalalas]

Just so many silver lining things, good play by so many WSU players.

5,6 players in double figures

Noah, Kunc, EFE, Dischon Jackson, Rodman, Rapp, Bamba, AJ, Vova, all had good games.

 

[wulffbone]

Efe, Rapp and especially AJ had very poor if not horrible games. Kunc and Bamba were bright spots though.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Efe and AJ can play better. Rapp is more of a stop gap that you hope doesn’t go negative.

 

[Observer11]

Tough way to lose but, god, I like this squad.

The basketball IQ is exponentially higher than during Ernie's death march. They still do freshman dumb things at times but it's out of trying to make a play in the context of the system. Not like Ernie's squads who had some internal 'my turn/get mine' mentality while they all stood around watching one another.

And the fact that we are IN every game speaks volumes to the culture Smith is instilling.

 

[jourdand]

That’s my feelings exactly. I watch the games and the players play the games with the expectation of winning!! Before it felt like I watched the game to see how players did knowing in most circumstances the game would probably be lost. The culture has changed for sure.

 

[Coug-Vandal]

LUCKY DEEP DEEP STEP BACK 3 made by Remy for the loss.

Its the shot u want Remy to take.

Good Defense

Bad Shot selection

Good game on the road gut wrenching loss on road to ASU, LUCK, REFS

Rapp went underneath the pick and thus couldn't get back out on Martin. If he goes over the pick he forces Martin to drive with time running out. I don't think it was good defense--we let him shoot a squared up jumper without a hand in his face.

 

[mikalalas]

Rapp went underneath the pick and thus couldn't get back out on Martin. If he goes over the pick he forces Martin to drive with time running out. I don't think it was good defense--we let him shoot a squared up jumper without a hand in his face.

Yeah it might have been better defense to go over top of pick, and have remy drive, instead of shoot.

BUT:

1. He could draw a block foul off of drive.

2. He could pull up and shoot either a 3 pointer, or mid range jumper or lane runner for a possible win.

3. Game announcers said that Remy was even behind NBA 3 point range, and 5,6,7,8,9 feet behind the College 3 point line.

4. It wasnt a set 3 point shot from a reasonable range. It was a STEP BACK SEMI FALL AWAY, FALL BACK SHOT OFF THE DRIBBLE, from 27 to 30 to 33 to 37 feet 3 point shot that was even behind NBA 3 point range.

Thats the type of shot you want Remy to take.

Remy had taken about 2,3,4 of those type of shots and missed each time.

If Remy takes 13 of those type of shots, he is going to make 1,2,3 out of 13 of them.

Like I said , you want Remy to take thst shot.

He just got LUCKY and hit it.

But Remy taking that shot was better then Remy driving, and either hitting a CLOSER 3 point shot, or a mid range jump shot. Or a Runner, or drawing a block foul that shoot 2 freethrows.

About 39% to 53% one of those things happen, if Remy drives.

About a 13% to 17% to 23% chance that Remy makes that STEP BACK OFF THE DRIBBLE EXTREMELY LONG 3 POINT SHOT.

Now which is the lower %? 23%(the bad 3 point shot), or 39% to 53% (Remy Driving)

Rapp made the right decision. Made Remy take the worst percentage.

Remy just got LUCKY.

4 TIMES OUT OF 5, WSU would have won.

 

[etowncoug]

It reminded me of Rochestie burying a deep 3 to beat ASU his senior year on senior night.

 

[Coug-Vandal]

Yeah it might have been better defense to go over top of pick, and have remy drive, instead of shoot.

BUT:

1. He could draw a block foul off of drive.

2. He could pull up and shoot either a 3 pointer, or mid range jumper or lane runner for a possible win.

3. Game announcers said that Remy was even behind NBA 3 point range, and 5,6,7,8,9 feet behind the College 3 point line.

4. It wasnt a set 3 point shot from a reasonable range. It was a STEP BACK SEMI FALL AWAY, FALL BACK SHOT OFF THE DRIBBLE, from 27 to 30 to 33 to 37 feet 3 point shot that was even behind NBA 3 point range.

Thats the type of shot you want Remy to take.

Remy had taken about 2,3,4 of those type of shots and missed each time.

If Remy takes 13 of those type of shots, he is going to make 1,2,3 out of 13 of them.

Like I said , you want Remy to take thst shot.

He just got LUCKY and hit it.

But Remy taking that shot was better then Remy driving, and either hitting a CLOSER 3 point shot, or a mid range jump shot. Or a Runner, or drawing a block foul that shoot 2 freethrows.

About 39% to 53% one of those things happen, if Remy drives.

About a 13% to 17% to 23% chance that Remy makes that STEP BACK OFF THE DRIBBLE EXTREMELY LONG 3 POINT SHOT.

Now which is the lower %? 23%(the bad 3 point shot), or 39% to 53% (Remy Driving)

Rapp made the right decision. Made Remy take the worst percentage.

Remy just got LUCKY.

4 TIMES OUT OF 5, WSU would have won.

I'm absolutely certain that a Coug asst coach would take Rapp aside after watching that and tell him he should have gone over the pick not under it. No amount of run on sentences or while guesses at percentages is going to change that. Yes Martin might have scored even if Rapp had gone over the top of the pick but that doesn't mean Rapp did the right thing.

 

[mikalalas]

look, if its a LOCKDOWN DEFENDER, a GARY PAYTON type, Noah Williams, Bonton, etc, then yeah, they should go over the top of the pick, and make Remy try to drive.

But if its a Rapp, Lodwick, Nick Witheral, etc, non lockdown defender, slower lateral quickness, etc, then against Allen Iverson, Remy, etc, you go beneath the pick and make Remy take that EXTREMELY BAD, STEP BACK, FALL BACK, OFF THE DRIBBLE, 5 TO 10 FEET BEHIND COLLEGE 3 POINT LINE, AND EVEN BEHIND NBA 3 POINT LINE, EXTRENELY DEEP, LONG, 27 TO 30 TO 33 TO 37 FOOT LONG, EXTREMELY BAD, ONLY ABOUT 17% TO 23% TO 27% TO MAKE, BAD 3 POINT SHOT.

If Rapp goes over the Pick, Remy drives, 39% to 49% Remy either GETS FOULED, SHOOTS FREETHROWS, shoots a CLOSER 3 pointer, or mid range Jumper, or lane runner, or passes to the open man who then eeither gets fouled, scores.

The 3 POINT SHOT IS ABSOLUTELY A WORSE PERCENTAGE, THEN THE PERCENTAGE OF REMY DRIVING.

Now if its Noah, Bonton, then yeah make Remy drive, because then Remy driving becomes a WORSE PERCENTAGE then the 3 point shot because of How good defenders Noah, Bonton are.

You tailor it to personel, their strengths and weaknesses, and the percents and likelyhoods of each course of action.

Thats at the heart of NERDBALL ANALYTICS, Smith, etc.

 

[mikalalas]

In that situation vs RAPP, I want Remy to PLEASE TAKE THAT EXTREMELY BAD 3 POINT SHOT EVERY TIME.

3.5 TIMES OUT OF 5, WSU would have won in this kind of situation, when Remy takes that EXTREMELY BAD 3 POINT SHOT

. PLEASE REMY PLEASE KEEP TAKING THAT KIND OF EXTREMELY BAD SHOT.

ESPECIALLY NEXT GAME VS WSU.

REMY JUST GOT LUCKY

 

[Coug-Vandal]

Instead of yelling at us why don't you submit your claim to a Coug (or any other) coach and ask whether Rapp should have gone over or under the screen. I'm quite sure what the answer would be.

 

[Observer11]

You go over the top in that situation and get the ball out of the hands of the other team’s best player. Make somebody else beat you.

 

[SaveFerris]

I'm absolutely certain that a Coug asst coach would take Rapp aside after watching that and tell him he should have gone over the pick not under it. No amount of run on sentences or while guesses at percentages is going to change that. Yes Martin might have scored even if Rapp had gone over the top of the pick but that doesn't mean Rapp did the right thing.

I'm sure Rapp knew he made a mistake and to a lesser degree Bamba did as well not reacting quick enough. Sucks to lose but these kind of end of game experiences will help them grow.

 

[jourdand]

You go over the top in that situation and get the ball out of the hands of the other team’s best player. Make somebody else beat you.

You without any doubt do all within your power to get the ball out of Remmy’s hands. 100 percent agree you make someone else beat you!! He did exactly what stars do....win games!

 

[mikalalas]

You go over the top in that situation and get the ball out of the hands of the other team’s best player. Make somebody else beat you.

Except that the ball does not get out of the hands of the best player.

Rapp goes over the top.

Remy drives:

Shoots a CLOSER 3 point shot.

Shoots a mid range jumper.

Shoots a lane, paint runner.

Gets fouled.

Shoots freethrows.

Passes to open man who then either gets fouled, shoots freethrows, or scores.

About a 65% to 85% chance one of those things happen

About a 39% to 49% chance that Remy, either gets fouled, shoots freethrows, scores.

About a 15% to 23% to 33% chance you get the ball out of Remy, the best players hands.

About a 17% to 23% to 27% Remy makes the extremely bad 3 point shot.

If its Noah, Bonton.

That changes everything.

Noah, Bonton should go over the pick, force Remy to try to Drive, an or get the ball out of Remy's hands(Better chance with Noah, Bonton, defending, then with Rapp(Rapp is nowhere near as good a defender as Noah, Bonton)(If Rapp goes over the Pick, Rapp cant defend, stop, etc, get the ball out of Remy's hands, etc. Remy takes Rapp to school, and drives, and LIKELY, or more likely wins the game.

Remy wants to drive over taking that bad shot.

Bobby Hurly, ASU coach would rather Remy DRIVE then take that bad shot.

 

[mikalalas]

I'm sure Rapp knew he made a mistake and to a lesser degree Bamba did as well not reacting quick enough. Sucks to lose but these kind of end of game experiences will help them grow.

Rapp had a good reason to go underneath the pick:

He Rapp knew that if he went over the pick, that he could not stop, defend, get the ball out of Remy's hands, etc.

Rapp knew that Remy would likely drive, get fouled, shoot freethrows, score, etc.

Bamba on the other hand should have gone over the top of pick, because Bamba can defend, stop Remy from driving, getting fouled, scoring, unlike with Rapp, that Remy would have eaten for breakfast, if Rapp had gone over the pick..

Bamba messed up.

Rapp didnt mess up, except not being a good enough defender to be able to defend Remy, if he Rapp goes over the pick.