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Do you root for SMU with their millions of dollars of boosters essentially buying their legitimacy in this playoff (part of the problem) or the nittany lions from a conference sponsored by a network that sabotaged our conference and threatened our very relevance?

What is actually the lesser of 2 evils?

I think I'm team PSU. That's all I have to say about that.
 
Do you root for SMU with their millions of dollars of boosters essentially buying their legitimacy in this playoff (part of the problem) or the nittany lions from a conference sponsored by a network that sabotaged our conference and threatened our very relevance?

What is actually the lesser of 2 evils?

I think I'm team PSU. That's all I have to say about that.
I only root for WSU. Probably won’t watch any of the other games. Don’t care.
 
Do you root for SMU with their millions of dollars of boosters essentially buying their legitimacy in this playoff (part of the problem) or the nittany lions from a conference sponsored by a network that sabotaged our conference and threatened our very relevance?

What is actually the lesser of 2 evils?

I think I'm team PSU. That's all I have to say about that.
F*ck SMU
 
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Honestly unless you are a fan of one of the 20 teams who can afford to poach players for a couple million dollars, we should all boycott watching college football until a more fair system is developed. These are colleges but ironically it's more money driven to the top than the NFL. The NFL has salary caps, reasonable roster limits, compensation to the team if someone takes their players etc. Of course the rich teams don't want fairness. But if we all boycott, (and there are plenty around the country who feel like we do) the networks will feel it in the pocketbook and force changes. WSU and other teams end up being farm teams of mercenaries for the top teams. WSU finds a player like mateer or cam ward who weren't on anyone's radar, develops them, and poof they are gone for 2-3 mil to a rich school and WSU gets nothing in return. The system is broken. I won't support this.
 
Do you root for SMU with their millions of dollars of boosters essentially buying their legitimacy in this playoff (part of the problem) or the nittany lions from a conference sponsored by a network that sabotaged our conference and threatened our very relevance?

What is actually the lesser of 2 evils?

I think I'm team PSU. That's all I have to say about that.
Rule:1 Anyone else > B1G and SEC. B1G over SEC.

ND>Indiana
SMU>PSU
OSU>UT
Clemson>Texas

ND>Georgia
BSU>SMU
OSU>UO
ASU>Clemson

ASU>OSU
BSU>ND

BSU>ASU
 
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Why college football is becoming harder to love​


Mike Vorel
Dec. 20, 2024
Seattle Times columnist

This story was supposed to be about something else.

I was planning to write about how Washington is positioned to win in an evolving era of college football. How new North Carolina coach Bill Belichick — let those last six words sink in — called UW “a template” for the program he plans to build. How coach Jedd Fisch’s philosophy, to install an NFL operation on a college campus, is ideally suited for a stunningly professionalized sport.

Then (former) Washington State quarterback John Mateer stiff-armed a seven-figure NIL offer to enter the transfer portal. That offer, by the way, was a testament to a proud fan base, patched together with coffee sales and beer sales and $20 bills, a crowdfunded quilt. It was entirely admirable, and not nearly enough.

Then Cougs coach Jake Dickert woke up as a Wake Forest Demon Deacon. He considered a program with back-to-back four-win seasons, in a conference held together by spit and animus and indefinite lawsuits, an obvious upgrade. He opted for the ship that was sinking slower, though there are holes in both hulls.

Then the expanded College Football Playoff arrived, appeasing ESPN with precious content, amid chaos and controversy and transfers galore.

So I’m not writing that other story. I’m not writing anything novel or new. I’m writing about the incrementally growing hole in my heart. I’m writing about the loss of love, little by little.

I love college football. I always have. But it’s becoming harder to love.

Which, by the way, is not a wholesale condemnation of this current era. I believe athletes who sacrifice and study and bleed for strategic collisions that stuff billions into everyone else’s fists deserve to be compensated. They should be afforded the same freedom to transfer as any other student or coach. Though the systems surrounding NIL and the transfer portal are preposterously flawed, the intention is just. The purpose is pure. The players are not the problem.

The problem is the systems, not the sport. The problem is a free-agency period that takes place during an exorbitantly expanding playoff, providing programs and players an impossible timeline. The problem is unchecked collectives whispering sweet-nothings into the ears of agents and shadowy representatives, a game of financial telephone. The problem is an industry without authority, without an agreed-upon order, without a commissioner or a set of collectively enforceable rules.

The problem is a mad dash for media-rights money, a merciless game of musical chairs. Conference realignment, and the callous networks yanking strings, have trampled this sport’s sacred traditions in a race for revenue.

The result? A bizarro Apple Cup at Lumen Field in September, sanitized and stuffed and streamed on Peacock, sans pomp or circumstance. A Big Ten road opener at Rutgers in Piscataway, N.J., 3,000 miles from Montlake. A WSU schedule that includes Oregon State twice in 2025, because these are desperate times. A trade of regionality for revenue, for competitive survival. A dissolving sense of self.

The solution? There are no solutions here. I’m open to ideas.

And I hate to sound like an old humbug.

But, well, here we are.

Remember where we were? Remember why you first fell in love with college football? Remember the smell of hot dogs and the sound of hard thuds on cornhole boards, the fall Saturdays with friends and strangers that seeped into your soul?

That’s what I loved, at 12 years old, zigzagging the quads before attending my first home game at Notre Dame. Before the eighth-ranked Irish topped Pittsburgh 14-6 to improve to 6-0 in Tyrone Willingham’s debut season, my dad and I bought bratwursts and strolled past T-shirt vendors peddling a seven-word slogan:

WHERE THERE’S A WILLINGHAM, THERE’S A WAY

(There was no such way at Washington.)

That slogan, of course, did not age well — as Willingham leveraged a nosedive at Notre Dame into a disaster at UW. But I fell in love with everything else. The trumpet players manning the spiral staircase inside the golden dome. The Irish dancers and converging colors and Touchdown Jesus’ elevated view.

That’s what I loved, and love, about college football. I love sailgates in Seattle. I love Ralphie’s run at Colorado and “Enter Sandman” exploding out of stadium speakers at Virginia Tech. I love walk-ons being awarded scholarships. I love improbable FCS upsets. I love snow games. I love Army-Navy, forever and ever. I love the bouncing student section at Wisconsin. I love extraordinarily silly rivalry trophies, such as SMU-TCU’s Iron Skillet and Boise State-Fresno State’s Milk Can and Wyoming-Colorado State’s Bronze Boot and Indiana-Purdue’s Old Oaken Bucket.

For that matter: I love regional rivalries, may many rest in peace.

College football was never perfect. But I preferred when no one knew, or cared, what Fox paid a program. When the sport itself didn’t feel so secondary. When its soul could not be split like a horcrux in “Harry Potter.” When communities were connected by common threads and clashing colors, a collage of crimson and purple. When conference championships mattered and bowl games mattered, and money didn’t matter quite so much.

I still love college football. Just, maybe, a little less.

This story was supposed to be about something else. I hope the next one will be.

Mike Vorel: mvorel@seattletimes.com. Mike Vorel is a sports columnist for The Seattle Times.
 

Why college football is becoming harder to love​


Mike Vorel
Dec. 20, 2024
Seattle Times columnist

This story was supposed to be about something else.

I was planning to write about how Washington is positioned to win in an evolving era of college football. How new North Carolina coach Bill Belichick — let those last six words sink in — called UW “a template” for the program he plans to build. How coach Jedd Fisch’s philosophy, to install an NFL operation on a college campus, is ideally suited for a stunningly professionalized sport.

Then (former) Washington State quarterback John Mateer stiff-armed a seven-figure NIL offer to enter the transfer portal. That offer, by the way, was a testament to a proud fan base, patched together with coffee sales and beer sales and $20 bills, a crowdfunded quilt. It was entirely admirable, and not nearly enough.

Then Cougs coach Jake Dickert woke up as a Wake Forest Demon Deacon. He considered a program with back-to-back four-win seasons, in a conference held together by spit and animus and indefinite lawsuits, an obvious upgrade. He opted for the ship that was sinking slower, though there are holes in both hulls.

Then the expanded College Football Playoff arrived, appeasing ESPN with precious content, amid chaos and controversy and transfers galore.

So I’m not writing that other story. I’m not writing anything novel or new. I’m writing about the incrementally growing hole in my heart. I’m writing about the loss of love, little by little.

I love college football. I always have. But it’s becoming harder to love.

Which, by the way, is not a wholesale condemnation of this current era. I believe athletes who sacrifice and study and bleed for strategic collisions that stuff billions into everyone else’s fists deserve to be compensated. They should be afforded the same freedom to transfer as any other student or coach. Though the systems surrounding NIL and the transfer portal are preposterously flawed, the intention is just. The purpose is pure. The players are not the problem.

The problem is the systems, not the sport. The problem is a free-agency period that takes place during an exorbitantly expanding playoff, providing programs and players an impossible timeline. The problem is unchecked collectives whispering sweet-nothings into the ears of agents and shadowy representatives, a game of financial telephone. The problem is an industry without authority, without an agreed-upon order, without a commissioner or a set of collectively enforceable rules.

The problem is a mad dash for media-rights money, a merciless game of musical chairs. Conference realignment, and the callous networks yanking strings, have trampled this sport’s sacred traditions in a race for revenue.

The result? A bizarro Apple Cup at Lumen Field in September, sanitized and stuffed and streamed on Peacock, sans pomp or circumstance. A Big Ten road opener at Rutgers in Piscataway, N.J., 3,000 miles from Montlake. A WSU schedule that includes Oregon State twice in 2025, because these are desperate times. A trade of regionality for revenue, for competitive survival. A dissolving sense of self.

The solution? There are no solutions here. I’m open to ideas.

And I hate to sound like an old humbug.

But, well, here we are.

Remember where we were? Remember why you first fell in love with college football? Remember the smell of hot dogs and the sound of hard thuds on cornhole boards, the fall Saturdays with friends and strangers that seeped into your soul?

That’s what I loved, at 12 years old, zigzagging the quads before attending my first home game at Notre Dame. Before the eighth-ranked Irish topped Pittsburgh 14-6 to improve to 6-0 in Tyrone Willingham’s debut season, my dad and I bought bratwursts and strolled past T-shirt vendors peddling a seven-word slogan:

WHERE THERE’S A WILLINGHAM, THERE’S A WAY

(There was no such way at Washington.)

That slogan, of course, did not age well — as Willingham leveraged a nosedive at Notre Dame into a disaster at UW. But I fell in love with everything else. The trumpet players manning the spiral staircase inside the golden dome. The Irish dancers and converging colors and Touchdown Jesus’ elevated view.

That’s what I loved, and love, about college football. I love sailgates in Seattle. I love Ralphie’s run at Colorado and “Enter Sandman” exploding out of stadium speakers at Virginia Tech. I love walk-ons being awarded scholarships. I love improbable FCS upsets. I love snow games. I love Army-Navy, forever and ever. I love the bouncing student section at Wisconsin. I love extraordinarily silly rivalry trophies, such as SMU-TCU’s Iron Skillet and Boise State-Fresno State’s Milk Can and Wyoming-Colorado State’s Bronze Boot and Indiana-Purdue’s Old Oaken Bucket.

For that matter: I love regional rivalries, may many rest in peace.

College football was never perfect. But I preferred when no one knew, or cared, what Fox paid a program. When the sport itself didn’t feel so secondary. When its soul could not be split like a horcrux in “Harry Potter.” When communities were connected by common threads and clashing colors, a collage of crimson and purple. When conference championships mattered and bowl games mattered, and money didn’t matter quite so much.

I still love college football. Just, maybe, a little less.

This story was supposed to be about something else. I hope the next one will be.

Mike Vorel: mvorel@seattletimes.com. Mike Vorel is a sports columnist for The Seattle Times.
The author is not as far down the road as I am. I still would love college football, but what they’re doing now isn’t that.
 
For me it’s hiking with dogs, snow skiing and watching moss grow.
Ahhh, Saturday. Let's see. I think I will watch all 3 playoff games, but liberally switch over to the FCS playoff games, both on ABC. Damn, almost 9AM. Here, coffee cup.
 
Honestly unless you are a fan of one of the 20 teams who can afford to poach players for a couple million dollars, we should all boycott watching college football until a more fair system is developed. These are colleges but ironically it's more money driven to the top than the NFL. The NFL has salary caps, reasonable roster limits, compensation to the team if someone takes their players etc. Of course the rich teams don't want fairness. But if we all boycott, (and there are plenty around the country who feel like we do) the networks will feel it in the pocketbook and force changes. WSU and other teams end up being farm teams of mercenaries for the top teams. WSU finds a player like mateer or cam ward who weren't on anyone's radar, develops them, and poof they are gone for 2-3 mil to a rich school and WSU gets nothing in return. The system is broken. I won't support this.
I agree. I have only watched and paid attention to the Cougs last year and this year. Everyone one else can take a flying leap.
 
We streamed It’s a Wonderful Life last night. Sure felt better than watching Survivor NCAA. Will be checking what to stream today, in between hiking and baking.
 
Ahhh, Saturday. Let's see. I think I will watch all 3 playoff games, but liberally switch over to the FCS playoff games, both on ABC. Damn, almost 9AM. Here, coffee cup.
I am going to have college football on the tube today. Right now it is North Dakota State vs South Dakota State. Later I will have Montana State game on. :) Will not watch the greedy bastards when they play. Not prudent, not gonna do it!
 
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NDS and SDS are two very well coached teams. Really good game.
And SMU getting slaughtered. 2 pick 6's will tend to do that. So we will have all the talking heads second guessing the choice of both Indiana (already started, and they only lost by 10), and now SMU.
 
I wouldn't have really "rooted" for either of these teams, but to go back to the original question, I'd still root for SMU or similarly-situated schools in this kind of matchup. The way I think about it is that the other schools have always tried to buy their way to titles, and they'll continue to do so. The non-power schools like SMU who buy a title contender are just availing themselves of an avenue that didn't used to be there for them.

This opening up of some opportunities is one of the few "good" things about NIL. That said, it's limited and isolated. A school like SMU, that previously had been held out of real playoff / title access or access to a power conference, but that has a lot of money, is set up to have greater success in this era than in the prior era, but there aren't many schools like that. Certainly not WSU.
 
I wouldn't have really "rooted" for either of these teams, but to go back to the original question, I'd still root for SMU or similarly-situated schools in this kind of matchup. The way I think about it is that the other schools have always tried to buy their way to titles, and they'll continue to do so. The non-power schools like SMU who buy a title contender are just availing themselves of an avenue that didn't used to be there for them.

This opening up of some opportunities is one of the few "good" things about NIL. That said, it's limited and isolated. A school like SMU, that previously had been held out of real playoff / title access or access to a power conference, but that has a lot of money, is set up to have greater success in this era than in the prior era, but there aren't many schools like that. Certainly not WSU.
Just a different version of the same thing. SMU has always had the ability to buy titles, but the rules were in the way. Now there are no rules. It doesn’t matter to me how big the school buying the title is.

Everybody likes to see a scrappy, under-resourced team come out of nowhere and win. That’s why Hoosiers is one of the top sports movies ever. But the CFB system is set up now to make sure that will never happen again.
 
Just a different version of the same thing. SMU has always had the ability to buy titles, but the rules were in the way. Now there are no rules. It doesn’t matter to me how big the school buying the title is.

Everybody likes to see a scrappy, under-resourced team come out of nowhere and win. That’s why Hoosiers is one of the top sports movies ever. But the CFB system is set up now to make sure that will never happen again.
I see that and get it. At some point, perhaps now, the names on the jerseys don't even matter, front or back. The players aren't connected to the universities in a real way, and it increasingly is hard to connect with the players as fans, especially at schools like WSU. It's more akin to an unregulated, loose association of semi-pro and pro teams with some developmental players and then some guys on one-year free agent deals where they can bounce before a team's important games if they choose.

If some alumni, or for whatever reason otherwise unconnected fans, are willing to spend thousands, perhaps millions of dollars so that the semi-pro team affiliated with that university can do relatively well, perhaps even win a title of some sort, with some players who aren't connected to them or their university and typically are just there for a year, leaving before their bowl games if they feel like it, that's their choice. Same goes for those who feel very strongly about watching it. I can understand still being a fan of a "have" in this environment, I suppose, even if almost all of it sucks relative to 10 years ago. For anyone else, though, the straws breaking the camel's back have turned into a proverbial 100-pound bale at this point. I just increasingly care about the NFL.

This comes after years of not even having more than the most casual interest in the NFL for my entire life and while formerly being obsessed enough about college football to subscribe to all the premium boards, track obscure recruits year-round, etc. I also used to donate a decent amount.
 
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I see that and get it. At some point, perhaps now, the names on the jerseys don't even matter, front or back. The players aren't connected to the universities in a real way, and it increasingly is hard to connect with the players as fans, especially at schools like WSU. It's more akin to an unregulated, loose association of semi-pro and pro teams with some developmental players and then some guys on one-year free agent deals where they can bounce before a team's important games if they choose.

If some alumni, or for whatever reason otherwise unconnected fans, are willing to spend thousands, perhaps millions of dollars so that the semi-pro team affiliated with that university can do relatively well, perhaps even win a title of some sort, with some players who aren't connected to them or their university and typically are just there for a year, leaving before their bowl games if they feel like it, that's their choice. Same goes for those who feel very strongly about watching it. I can understand still being a fan of a "have" in this environment, I suppose, even if almost all of it sucks relative to 10 years ago. For anyone else, though, the straws breaking the camel's back have turned into a proverbial 100-pound bale at this point. I just increasingly care about the NFL.

This comes after years of not even having more than the most casual interest in the NFL for my entire life and while formerly being obsessed enough about college football to subscribe to all the premium boards, track obscure recruits year-round, etc. I also used to donate a decent amount.
Pretty much same here. I used to be a year-round sports fan. Stopped the NBA when Magic/Bird/Jordan checked out and the league got taken over by Kobe & LeBron. Stopped MLB with the steroid scandal. Stopped NFL when guys like Shaun Alexander proved it was all just mercenary. Doubled down on college football after that, probably the reason I was able to survive the Wulff years.

Now with NIL, I Only watch Coug games on saturdays (don’t care about anyone else), and didn’t even bother getting a package that would let me see the FS1 and CBSSN games. I’ve watched more NFL games in the last 2 seasons than in the previous 20. They’re still mercenary, but at least they’re honest about it. And they have multi-year deals so players can’t jump for a better offer every year.
 
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