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At the end of the day the president of the U.S. is at his best when he/she is a figurehead and surrounds themselves with people who know what they are doing in their respective positions. Yeah Biden is old AF and should be playing bingo in Delaware. But he has at least made an effort to put somewhat competent people around him. With Trump you get a dictator wannabe who cozies up to and is likely compromised by our biggest adversaries. You get Jared who’s in bed with the Saudi’s, Ivanka, Jr, fraudsters like manafort and bannon. It’s all nepotism and people he owes favors or money to. I’m right leaning myself and it’s perplexing to me that anyone wants that dipshit near the presidency.
I've avoided the political threads...a "no win" environment. But I'll offer this. Once.

I am a real Republican. Trump is not; he is a Mussolini wannabe. If you want to use the label, "Fascist", feel free. Most are too young to understand what that means, so they dispute it. The straw that broke my camel's back was his election denial and staging of an attack on the capitol. For me, that rises to the level of treason. Nixon, Reagan and Bush Sr would be spinning in their graves at this guy's disgrace of the presidency. Our foreign policy will tank with this idiot. None of our allies trust him. And his statements about his revenge if elected speaks for itself for anyone rational (not to mention injecting bleach if infected with something; that tells you a lot about what a dummy he is).

Biden is way past his prime. Probably still mentally competent, but don't force him to think quickly. Bad world optics as president (though not as bad as Trump). Clearly not an optimum choice. While I trust his instincts, I can't be fully confident of his intellect.

Best result of the debate is that the Dems come up with someone centrist to take his place and get him to bow out gracefully. There are debates and speaking engagements to come, but unless something happens to alter the current perception, there is way too much chance of wannabe dictator Trump getting elected if Biden stays in the election...something we need to avoid. We are a nation where the rule of law is paramount, and a Biden/Trump election risks moving toward a tinpot dictatorship. And if my Republican party is ever to recover from his toxic influence, we need to lose this election. Like we lost after Nixon's disgrace. So people with some integrity can lead the party from there, at least for a while.

What specific actions or policies during Trump's first term validate that he is either a fascist or dictator (or both)?
 
Liberals... The epitome of biting off the nose to spite the face. You all are laughable and deranged at the same time. I can't stand listening to Trump talk about all the awesomeness he's accomplished but if the dum-dums at the DNC would've stopped the "get Trump by any means" strategy, I think the Idiocrats would've had an easier road in this election. The level of hyperbolic statements that are uttered within the echo chamber known as "Mainstream Media" are as worn out as Joe Biden's depends.

The irony of saying that liberals are guilty of hyperbolic statements when Trump is part of the conversation is impossible to fathom. The orange clown lies every time that he opens his mouth and he claims that everything that he has done is "the greatest ever!". The volume of hyperbolic bullsh!t that you people consume is simply unbelievable. It is disappointing that our choices are a worn out old has-been who has no business leading our country and a narcissistic lunatic who shits in a gold toilet, sexually assaults women, defrauds anyone that he can, commits adultery, and would gladly sell out his own children if it made him buck.

The Onion had it right when it comes to hyperbolic statements:


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What specific actions or policies during Trump's first term validate that he is either a fascist or dictator (or both)?
Holy shit where do you start. The clincher for me was how Putin had him on a leash in Helsinki. If you could watch that travesty and not think…uh, somethings fishy here…I’m not sure what to tell you. And the rest of the world figured it out then too. The only people that can’t are those who refuse to use their eyes and ears.

Regardless of what you think about how we should or shouldn’t be funding Ukraine, he absolutely tried to extort Zelinsky and he clearly should have been removed at that point. Vindman and Hill served this country with the highest of integrity and y’all believed the guy who was F’ing a porn star when his third wife was pregnant over them. It goes on and on and half the shit comes out of his own mouth “find me 12K votes” and you still won’t believe it.
 
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At the end of the day the president of the U.S. is at his best when he/she is a figurehead and surrounds themselves with people who know what they are doing in their respective positions. Yeah Biden is old AF and should be playing bingo in Delaware. But he has at least made an effort to put somewhat competent people around him. With Trump you get a dictator wannabe who cozies up to and is likely compromised by our biggest adversaries. You get Jared who’s in bed with the Saudi’s, Ivanka, Jr, fraudsters like manafort and bannon. It’s all nepotism and people he owes favors or money to. I’m right leaning myself and it’s perplexing to me that anyone wants that dipshit near the presidency.
Can you identify who these competent people are surrounding Biden? I don’t see any difference.
 
I've avoided the political threads...a "no win" environment. But I'll offer this. Once.

I am a real Republican. Trump is not; he is a Mussolini wannabe. If you want to use the label, "Fascist", feel free. Most are too young to understand what that means, so they dispute it. The straw that broke my camel's back was his election denial and staging of an attack on the capitol. For me, that rises to the level of treason. Nixon, Reagan and Bush Sr would be spinning in their graves at this guy's disgrace of the presidency. Our foreign policy will tank with this idiot. None of our allies trust him. And his statements about his revenge if elected speaks for itself for anyone rational (not to mention injecting bleach if infected with something; that tells you a lot about what a dummy he is).

Biden is way past his prime. Probably still mentally competent, but don't force him to think quickly. Bad world optics as president (though not as bad as Trump). Clearly not an optimum choice. While I trust his instincts, I can't be fully confident of his intellect.

Best result of the debate is that the Dems come up with someone centrist to take his place and get him to bow out gracefully. There are debates and speaking engagements to come, but unless something happens to alter the current perception, there is way too much chance of wannabe dictator Trump getting elected if Biden stays in the election...something we need to avoid. We are a nation where the rule of law is paramount, and a Biden/Trump election risks moving toward a tinpot dictatorship. And if my Republican party is ever to recover from his toxic influence, we need to lose this election. Like we lost after Nixon's disgrace. So people with some integrity can lead the party from there, at least for a while.
Do you think NATO/the EU need the US more than the US needs NATO/the EU?

Or if you mean other allies, which ones?
 
Holy shit where do you start. The clincher for me was how Putin had him on a leash in Helsinki. If you could watch that travesty and not think…uh, somethings fishy here…I’m not sure what to tell you. And the rest of the world figured it out then too. The only people that can’t are those who refuse to use their eyes and ears.

Regardless of what you think about how we should or shouldn’t be funding Ukraine, he absolutely tried to extort Zelinsky and he clearly should have been removed at that point. Vindman and Hill served this country with the highest of integrity and y’all believed the guy who was F’ing a porn star when his third wife was pregnant over them. It goes on and on and half the shit comes out of his own mouth “find me 12K votes” and you still won’t believe it.
Do those same eyes and ears see and hear that Putin invaded Crimea during the Obama administration and Ukraine during the Biden administration?
 
Holy shit where do you start. The clincher for me was how Putin had him on a leash in Helsinki. If you could watch that travesty and not think…uh, somethings fishy here…I’m not sure what to tell you. And the rest of the world figured it out then too. The only people that can’t are those who refuse to use their eyes and ears.

Regardless of what you think about how we should or shouldn’t be funding Ukraine, he absolutely tried to extort Zelinsky and he clearly should have been removed at that point. Vindman and Hill served this country with the highest of integrity and y’all believed the guy who was F’ing a porn star when his third wife was pregnant over them. It goes on and on and half the shit comes out of his own mouth “find me 12K votes” and you still won’t believe it.
So Trump did not nationalize any industry, exert authoritarian mandates on US citizens, utilize the military domestically or otherwise use the power of the state to oppress Americans.

Thanks for clarifying his fascist actions and policies.

Now do his racist actions and policies.
 
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So Trump did not nationalize any industry, exert authoritarian mandates on US citizens, utilize the military domestically or otherwise use the power of the state to oppress Americans.
Thanks for clarifying his fascist actions and policies.

Now do his racist actions and policies.
I’m sure you’re not going to count it but making a conscious decision to not call in the guard when capital police were getting beaten, the capital was being overrun, and government officials were endangered…seems like a misuse of power (or gross negligence at the least) domestically. But then again you see and hear tourists.
 
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It was a massive cover up Ed. Blacked out of social media. Followed up with a BS letter signed by 51 lying former intelligence officers. Biden is no moral paragon and never has been.

And if you bother to use your brain, indirectly Biden is telling you that you’re too dumb to know the truth. You might be, but many others are not.
Not dumb at all. Have the republicans seen what is on the laptop? Sure seems like it as Marjorie Traitor Green knows there is a dick pic on it . So what was the crime on the laptop everyone is covering up for ?

And Pecker had catch and kill stories on Agent Orange . Again , for me, being libel for rape (the judge called it that) is greater than the laptop caper.

As is an insurrection is greater then the laptop. You somehow seem them as equal... which is strange but fine .

I think we both have daughters at wsu. Add a friend and 1 out of 3 is likely to have some sort of sexual assault against them. I will remember someone having a compromising laptop of a WSU son has equal weight
 
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The correct answer is the Military-Industrial Complex needs NATO and the US the most.
Why Forrest Trump and his followers forget Putin has 800 nukes, a good portion pointed at us is beyond me. But lets make sure we hand over Ukraine so he can rebuild an empire. And if Putin goes into Poland and other Nato countries , I guarantee it wont be tbe Trump fans that go defend democracy .
 
Not dumb at all. Have the republicans seen what is on the laptop? Sure seems like it as Marjorie Traitor Green knows there is a dick pic on it . So what was the crime on the laptop everyone is covering up for ?

And Pecker had catch and kill stories on Agent Orange . Again , for me, being libel for rape (the judge called it that) is greater than the laptop caper.

As is an insurrection is greater then the laptop. You somehow seem them as equal... which is strange but fine .

I think we both have daughters at wsu. Add a friend and 1 out of 3 is likely to have some sort of sexual assault against them. I will remember someone having a compromising laptop of a WSU son has equal weight
Then why cover it up? Because Hunter’s dick pics are worth lying to the world?

I tried the brown shades of shit analogy, which you don’t understand, so I’ll try another. Trump is a prostitute that wants $1000 per hour. Biden is a prostitution that wants $1500 per hour. The higher price does not make Biden more virtuous. He’s still a whore.
 
Why Forrest Trump and his followers forget Putin has 800 nukes, a good portion pointed at us is beyond me. But lets make sure we hand over Ukraine so he can rebuild an empire. And if Putin goes into Poland and other Nato countries , I guarantee it wont be tbe Trump fans that go defend democracy .
You predicting Joe Scarborough will be reporting for duty?
 
Kamala should go back to the Senate where she can’t **** anything up. She’d be a disaster on the Supreme Court.
Whether she'd be a disaster or not wasn't my point. It's a choice spot that could entice her to leave her current position and save face and shield the DNC and/or Biden from dumping a woman of color from the ticket.

But forcing changes at the top of the ticket hasn't happened (I don't think) since the late 1800's. So... there's that. Taihtsat
 
Why Forrest Trump and his followers forget Putin has 800 nukes, a good portion pointed at us is beyond me. But let’s make sure we hand over Ukraine so he can rebuild an empire. And if Putin goes into Poland and other Nato countries , I guarantee it wont be tbe Trump fans that go defend democracy .
Russia has over 5000 nuclear warheads
 
Whether she'd be a disaster or not wasn't my point. It's a choice spot that could entice her to leave her current position and save face and shield the DNC and/or Biden from dumping a woman of color from the ticket.

But forcing changes at the top of the ticket hasn't happened (I don't think) since the late 1800's. So... there's that. Taihtsat
The senate is choice enough. Only one hundred of them. Few enough for her to feel special. And enough that she can’t **** anything up.

And why will the Obama, Schumer, Pelosi, etc. care about what she wants? She’s a liability
 
Are you in favor of withholding all military support from Ukraine?
Until the US can prioritize defending its own border, solving domestic ills and acting as a responsible fiscal steward slightly better than a drunken sailor, I am against providing military support pretty well anywhere.

Ukraine would be about 1200th in my rankings.
 
Until the US can prioritize defending its own border, solving domestic ills and acting as a responsible fiscal steward slightly better than a drunken sailor, I am against providing military support pretty well anywhere.

Ukraine would be about 1200th in my rankings.
Does this apply to Israel too?
 
Jamie Dimon? Where’s that rumor coming from?
Every big deal Trump got a banker to approve was a deal Jamie Dimon passed on.

He’s kind of a big deal. He has been quietly mentioned for 20 years but when pressed, said he’d only run “if necessary”

Someone mentioned him again the other day.

HTH
 
Every big deal Trump got a banker to approve was a deal Jamie Dimon passed on.

He’s kind of a big deal. He has been quietly mentioned for 20 years but when pressed, said he’d only run “if necessary”

Someone mentioned him again the other day.

HTH
After Trump lost his ass in Atlantic City everyone passed on banking him except for Deutsche Bank and Signature Bank. Simon was not unique in that regard.
 
After Trump lost his ass in Atlantic City everyone passed on banking him except for Deutsche Bank and Signature Bank. Simon was not unique in that regard.
Lost his ass?

Trump was the first out the door in Atlantic City and all of his investors followed him to Las Vegas.

If Dimon wanted to bank Trump, he would have banked him.
 
Lost his ass?

Trump was the first out the door in Atlantic City and all of his investors followed him to Las Vegas.

If Dimon wanted to bank Trump, he would have banked him.
He lost his ass. Like a billion on Trump Plaza alone. He couldn’t get a loan from anyone for ten plus years. That’s why he was doing The Apprentice and why he started licensing instead of developing.

In my opinion, one of the reasons he doesn’t want to disclose his tax returns is because he is and will be taking net operating losses for the rest of his life. He doesn’t want to erode his “business” reputation.
 
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I think the reality in this election is similar to what it is every time, but magnified: most voters are not truly voting for either candidate. They’re holding their noses and voting against the other one.

I know people who are planning to back Trump. None of them want to, they just feel it’s necessary to get Biden out. Through whatever political calculus they use, 4 more years of Trump is less bad than 4 more years of Biden. I also know people on the other side, who will be holding their noses just as tightly, but voting the other way.

The thing they have most in common is that neither really wants the candidate they’re voting for. They all desperately want another viable option. So do I.

I think there’s a very small percentage of people who actually think Biden has done a good job and deserves another term. There’s also a small percentage who think that of Trump. And, I think most of those people will reveal themselves - if not on sight - within about 30 seconds of conversation due simply to their lunacy.

I’d guess that 70+% of voters are not really swayed by either candidate, and are making judgements not of which is better, but which is less bad. If either party would recognize that and move meaningfully toward the middle, they’d win in a landslide. But Moving toward the middle means softening their stance and listening to the other side, which means being branded as RINOs or traitors, so they won’t, and they can’t- especially not in an election year.

And, so…most of us are left with two shitty candidates and a choice between what smells less. 10% at the extreme will be ecstatic, 10% at the other will claim fraud, and those are the people who will get all the press. The rest of us will be resigned to another 4 years of extreme partisan BS and moronic debates, and watching as this sort of politics continues to filter down to the local levels.

At some point, I’ve got to believe there’s going to be a massive correction. A voter revolt that will drag candidates back toward the middle. But for that to happen, some middle-leaning, rational candidates have to appear…which means that some of us within the 70% need to run. It’ll also need to happen en mass, otherwise the rationality gets lost in the noise.
 
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I haven’t seen this posted yet.

20 whoppers from the debate:

The Federalist huh? Well there's a non-partisan publication for you.

I read through the article, and Biden indeed made some incorrect statements. It was painful to again watch him speak. His attempt to rapid-fire all these facts and stats didn't help the accuracy one bit. However, the article just simply refutes some of his "lies" without evidence and gives flimsy 'proof" about others. The 1,000 trillionaire "lie"? In the "proof" video clip itself, Biden quickly corrected himself with "billionaires". So how is that a lie?
 
The Federalist huh? Well there's a non-partisan publication for you.

I read through the article, and Biden indeed made some incorrect statements. It was painful to again watch him speak. His attempt to rapid-fire all these facts and stats didn't help the accuracy one bit. However, the article just simply refutes some of his "lies" without evidence and gives flimsy 'proof" about others. The 1,000 trillionaire "lie"? In the "proof" video clip itself, Biden quickly corrected himself with "billionaires". So how is that a lie?
How “lie” is defined is the key, followed by a consistent application of that standard to both candidates. That’s difficult here because of Biden’s incoherence. Does Biden even know that he said no one in the military died during his tenure? Does he remember being at the dignified transfer of the 13 Marines that died at Abby gate?
 
How “lie” is defined is the key, followed by a consistent application of that standard to both candidates. That’s difficult here because of Biden’s incoherence. Does Biden even know that he said no one in the military died during his tenure? Does he remember being at the dignified transfer of the 13 Marines that died at Abby gate?
Yeah, Biden just completely screwed the pooch for 90 minutes. He should have just called out Trumps litany of lies, like the ones about Mexico and other countries emptying their insane asylums and prisons.

I read about the case of the 2 illegals that killed the 12 year old girl. It says that the Border Patrol had apprehended, THEN RELEASED these 2 guys prior to the murder. How the F did that happen? And how is that specifically Biden's fault? That is the issue on that one.
 
Yeah, Biden just completely screwed the pooch for 90 minutes. He should have just called out Trumps litany of lies, like the ones about Mexico and other countries emptying their insane asylums and prisons.

I read about the case of the 2 illegals that killed the 12 year old girl. It says that the Border Patrol had apprehended, THEN RELEASED these 2 guys prior to the murder. How the F did that happen? And how is that specifically Biden's fault? That is the issue on that one.
You are not a smart man. Catch and release is Biden's border policy. Try to pay attention once in a while.
 
I think the reality in this election is similar to what it is every time, but magnified: most voters are not truly voting for either candidate. They’re holding their noses and voting against the other one.

I know people who are planning to back Trump. None of them want to, they just feel it’s necessary to get Biden out. Through whatever political calculus they use, 4 more years of Trump is less bad than 4 more years of Biden. I also know people on the other side, who will be holding their noses just as tightly, but voting the other way.

The thing they have most in common is that neither really wants the candidate they’re voting for. They all desperately want another viable option. So do I.

I think there’s a very small percentage of people who actually think Biden has done a good job and deserves another term. There’s also a small percentage who think that of Trump. And, I think most of those people will reveal themselves - if not on sight - within about 30 seconds of conversation due simply to their lunacy.

I’d guess that 70+% of voters are not really swayed by either candidate, and are making judgements not of which is better, but which is less bad. If either party would recognize that and move meaningfully toward the middle, they’d win in a landslide. But Moving toward the middle means softening their stance and listening to the other side, which means being branded as RINOs or traitors, so they won’t, and they can’t- especially not in an election year.

And, so…most of us are left with two shitty candidates and a choice between what smells less. 10% at the extreme will be ecstatic, 10% at the other will claim fraud, and those are the people who will get all the press. The rest of us will be resigned to another 4 years of extreme partisan BS and moronic debates, and watching as this sort of politics continues to filter down to the local levels.

At some point, I’ve got to believe there’s going to be a massive correction. A voter revolt that will drag candidates back toward the middle. But for that to happen, some middle-leaning, rational candidates have to appear…which means that some of us within the 70% need to run. It’ll also need to happen en mass, otherwise the rationality gets lost in the noise.
Wrong! There are 75-80 million (probably more) Americans who are very excited to vote for Donald J. Trump. Such a weak spin job. Try harder next time.
 
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The Federalist huh? Well there's a non-partisan publication for you.

I read through the article, and Biden indeed made some incorrect statements. It was painful to again watch him speak. His attempt to rapid-fire all these facts and stats didn't help the accuracy one bit. However, the article just simply refutes some of his "lies" without evidence and gives flimsy 'proof" about others. The 1,000 trillionaire "lie"? In the "proof" video clip itself, Biden quickly corrected himself with "billionaires". So how is that a lie?
And where do you get your news Einstein? NPR? The Onion? MSLSD? CNN? I am speculating all of the above.

Biden also said the forbidden phrase "illegal aliens" during the debate. Surprised the insane left hasn't raked him over the coals for that unforgivable blunder.

I am done responding to you. You rival Joe on when it comes to being a broccoli brain. For somebody who makes a habit of calling out other people on this site, you might be the least informed when it comes to politics. I mean like Kamala Harris dumb.
 
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You are not a smart man. Catch and release is Biden's border policy. Try to pay attention once in a while.
You sure about that? Seems like the recent Presidential action stopped that policy? Guess I'll have to read up on its current form. Oh and F you. $5 says my IQ is way higher than yours, buddy. Granted that perhaps I haven't spent enough time digesting specific current border policies.

 
You sure about that? Seems like the recent Presidential action stopped that policy? Guess I'll have to read up on its current form. Oh and F you. $5 says my IQ is way higher than yours, buddy. Granted that perhaps I haven't spent enough time digesting specific current border policies.

So, a 6 handicap Loyal? ;)
 
And tell me why Hunters laptop is relevant? Is hunter part of the Presidents team?

Are you sayjng sleepy Joe is just better and the dems are just better covering their tracks ? One minute he is too sleepy to do anything, next thing you know he is a criminal mastermind. Bannon, Navarro, Stone , Cohen, Manafort, Weisleburg (sic) justvto name a few who are bad criminals and get caught .

Comer and Jordan just cant seem to find a witness involving the Biden Crime family .

And yes, i believe sexual assault is higher up the chain vs a crack heads laptop who isnt part of tge administration .
Polls have shown that if people knew about Hunters laptop it would have changed the outcome of the election. It was a MASSIVE cover up which included 51 corrupt higher up liberals lying to the American people.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116258/documents/HHRG-118-FD00-20230720-SD011.pdf

Are you saying Tony Bobulinski wasn't a credible witness? For the love of God he was Hunters business partner. I am guessing you have no clue who he is because your head is buried up your anal cavity.

I swear the willful ignorance of some of you is beyond breath taking.
 
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You sure about that? Seems like the recent Presidential action stopped that policy? Guess I'll have to read up on its current form. Oh and F you. $5 says my IQ is way higher than yours, buddy. Granted that perhaps I haven't spent enough time digesting specific current border policies.

You are too stupid to own 5 bucks. You talk out your ass like most liberals. There is an old saying measure twice cut once. You cut twice and never measure. Dig into your couch cushions and come up with 5 bucks to buy yourself a tape measure.

Swore I would never respond to your posts again. You are now dubbed "Flounder". Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!

Funny thing is you consider yourself the self-appointed thread starter around here (including this one). In reality (which you don't live in) you are literally an absolute moron.
 
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