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Realignment rumor mill has ‘some value’ for WSU and Oregon State, commissioner says​

Jon WilnerAug. 12, 2024 at 1:33 pm

Not a week goes by, it seems, without Washington State and Oregon State being the subject of realignment rumors. It could be as simple as a message board riff or a tweet on X. Maybe it’s an anonymous quote published by the mainstream media.

A few have morsels of credibility, while some are pure nonsense. But all are welcomed by Pac-12 commissioner Teresa Gould, who’s working closely with the Cougars and Beavers as they plot a course forward.

“Part of that is not bad,” Gould told ‘Canzano and Wilner: The Podcast’ last week during a wide-ranging interview.

“All that buzz on social media and all that interest and the rumor mill and all of that, there certainly is some value in it from the perspective of, that means we have communities who care about what we’re doing …

“We want passionate fans across college sports that care about what we’re doing. From that perspective, it’s good.”

The Cougars and Beavers have until the summer of 2026 to find a permanent conference home and two fairly straightforward options available. They can rebuild the Pac-12 with schools from the Mountain West (and perhaps other Group of Five leagues), or they can join the Mountain West.

The roads back into the power conferences are vastly more complicated and far less certain. And occasionally, Gould said, the reports about behind-the-scenes machinations — either real or imagined — create messes that she must clean up.

“The rumors are challenging when they aren’t accurate and when there’s misinformation out there,” she said. “At times, it becomes difficult to manage relationships, expectations, anxieties and all these other things when there’s misinformation. It’s part of the world we’re living in now.

“The good news is I have really strong communication with (WSU and OSU), and they are kept well-briefed on what’s going on and what’s not going on.”

For the moment, Gould explained, she is “spending a lot of time” finalizing the 2025 football schedules for the Cougars and Beavers.

The scheduling arrangement with the Mountain West this season includes an option for next year if both sides agree, Gould said.

But earlier this month, the Hotline reported that WSU and OSU are in discussions with multiple conferences — in both the Power Four and the Group of Five — about strategic partnerships that could take effect as early as 2025.

Those discussions, an industry source said, aren’t specific to membership opportunities for WSU and OSU, although that option “definitely” has not been dismissed.

Instead, the conversations include possible scheduling alliances or “creative ways to work together” that could provide “a stepping stone to the future,” the source added. “It’s all at a very broad level.”

Gould declined to discuss specific options for the Cougars and Beavers. But eventual membership in the ACC, despite the geography — and despite speculation on X — might be more likely than an invitation to the Big 12.

If Clemson and Florida State win their lawsuits against the ACC and are free to join other leagues, North Carolina could follow them out the door.

At that point, the depleted conference might seek to fortify its membership. WSU and OSU would offer quality football brands, create additional Pacific Time Zone kickoff windows and ease the bicoastal travel for Cal and Stanford, the only ACC schools west of the Rockies.

For now, the Cougars and Beavers are watching the situation play out.

“Moving forward, regardless of what that scenario is — and there are a lot of different iterations or scenarios out there — we’ll continue to overturn every stone we know of, and try to create some stones we don’t know of, to figure out what scenarios are possible,” Gould said.

“I don’t think there is a foregone conclusion about what is best, because we’re still evaluating what is possible.”

Jon Wilner
 
Thanks for the link M.I.

What's everyone's take on Theresa Gold as the new commissioner?

She seems really optimistic and enthusiastic, but then again so was Klaikoff.

I do wonder why WSU and OSU are handing over football scheduling responsibilities to a commissioner who appears focused on rebuilding the Pac-12 as opposed to doing what's best for the Cougs and Beavs (i.e., returning to the Power Conference ranks).

Maybe Ann and the AD at Oregon State are too busy with their other responsibilities?
 
Thanks for the link M.I.

What's everyone's take on Theresa Gold as the new commissioner?

She seems really optimistic and enthusiastic, but then again so was Klaikoff.

I do wonder why WSU and OSU are handing over football scheduling responsibilities to a commissioner who appears focused on rebuilding the Pac-12 as opposed to doing what's best for the Cougs and Beavs (i.e., returning to the Power Conference ranks).

Maybe Ann and the AD at Oregon State are too busy with their other responsibilities?
Gould works for the schools. If Ann and OSU AD are too busy to collaborate or at least communicate what their vision and wishes are, they should both be sacked. Immediately.
 
As I've written in the past the key date is Sept. 1st. That is when the second year of the Scheduling Agreement must be signed. If you don't sign then that will tell me that the Rebuild is the direction you are going. The thing about the ACC is just wishful thinking as no one knows when the ACC will settle their court cases.

I'm guessing that Theresa wants to put the MWC in her rear view mirror. She will want to keep her job. It's time to stock up on popcorn and watch the show.
 
Notwithstanding the possibility of the ACC (whose charter members all want to flee), the key quote IMO:
WSU and OSU are in discussions...about strategic partnerships... Those discussions...aren’t specific to membership opportunities for WSU and OSU... Instead, the conversations include possible scheduling alliances or “creative ways to work together”...
Basically, we're excited about getting back together with the ex because she and her new boyfriend set up time with us to discuss child custody.
 
Notwithstanding the possibility of the ACC (whose charter members all want to flee), the key quote IMO:

Basically, we're excited about getting back together with the ex because she and her new boyfriend set up time with us to discuss child custody.
At least child custody has an upside.

These fcking Scrooge McDuck schools sitting on their piles of gold want to play their cupcakes AND only pay bottom dollar.

$5M is our opening price or else fk off.
 
As I've written in the past the key date is Sept. 1st. That is when the second year of the Scheduling Agreement must be signed. If you don't sign then that will tell me that the Rebuild is the direction you are going. The thing about the ACC is just wishful thinking as no one knows when the ACC will settle their court cases.

I'm guessing that Theresa wants to put the MWC in her rear view mirror. She will want to keep her job. It's time to stock up on popcorn and watch the show.
That's a key point. Reading her quotes, it sounds like a lot of these "broad" conversations need to firm up quickly for anything to get done anytime soon. It also sounds like most of these are just more about scheduling alliances or playing some out of conference games, not something like WSU and OSU having any prospect of a Big 12 (or ACC) invitation.

I think this all nets out to the rebuild being likely, with a lot of questions possible surrounding that. I don't think we ever got 100% confirmation on whether the MWC/Pac-2 scheduling deal included provisions addressing any efforts by the Pac-12 to try to pick off particular MWC teams or not, but I recall hearing that those provisions were floated but ultimately didn't make it into the deal.

So we're probably looking at a rebuild where we take on most of the stronger Mountain West programs. I'd prefer being in an existing P4 conference, but I prefer picking off the better teams to just doing a reverse merger with the entire Mountain West, even if it's more costly up front. If SMU hadn't already made it into the Big 12, it would be a prime candidate to augment those stronger Mountain West programs, too.

Have to hope Yormark doesn't screw with us and go in and grab SDSU and/or Fresno, which are words I never thought I'd type.
 
That's a key point. Reading her quotes, it sounds like a lot of these "broad" conversations need to firm up quickly for anything to get done anytime soon. It also sounds like most of these are just more about scheduling alliances or playing some out of conference games, not something like WSU and OSU having any prospect of a Big 12 (or ACC) invitation.

I think this all nets out to the rebuild being likely, with a lot of questions possible surrounding that. I don't think we ever got 100% confirmation on whether the MWC/Pac-2 scheduling deal included provisions addressing any efforts by the Pac-12 to try to pick off particular MWC teams or not, but I recall hearing that those provisions were floated but ultimately didn't make it into the deal.

So we're probably looking at a rebuild where we take on most of the stronger Mountain West programs. I'd prefer being in an existing P4 conference, but I prefer picking off the better teams to just doing a reverse merger with the entire Mountain West, even if it's more costly up front. If SMU hadn't already made it into the Big 12, it would be a prime candidate to augment those stronger Mountain West programs, too.

Have to hope Yormark doesn't screw with us and go in and grab SDSU and/or Fresno, which are words I never thought I'd type.

According to a combined Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, Greg Swaime, MHver3, Locked On College Football, Locked On Big 12, Twitter Rumors, unnamed insider sources, etc, all combined together, the PAC is looking to do a scheduling alliance like the one they currently have with MWC, and is looking to do scheduling alliance with ACC, Big 12, instead of the MWC, as a possible stepping stone path to maybe prove they are worthy of a BIG 12, ACC invite, or worthy of getting BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, Memphis, Tulane to join PAC.

Those same sources said it's going to cost about 65 million out of 250 million PAC money to get BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, AIRFORCE.

Those same sources said, say that PAC has , getting 21 million media deal(7 mil to PAC, 7 mil each to WSU, OSU per year). That combined with CFP money, Bowl money, NCAA tourny, NIT money, is enough to offset the 65 million cost in a few years, in order to get BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV,

From there they'll also pitch, try to get Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA in addition to, an or to replace if don't get BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV.

Those sources are saying Scott Barnes OSU AD has said, leaked that the PAC only wants 8 for now, in order to try to get ACC leftovers, etc, and that they are talking to, trying to get BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, to go with WSU, OSU to be the PAC 8, and have it be the 4th, 5th best conference in college football.

One could reasonably argue that such a PAC 8 would be tied for 4th best conference with Big 12. Not numbers wise. But quality wise, as such a PAC 8 would probably semi consistently beat semi some to semi most of the Big 12 teams, like Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Kansas, Texas Tech, Iowa St, UCF, Houston, in football, and would have a chance at beating Utah, Oklahoma St, TCU, Baylor, BYU, once in a while.

After that, WSU would try to get SMU, Cal from a disintegrated ACC, as ACC leftovers.

BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, WSU, OSU, SMU, Cal, and either Airforce or SJSU, or North Texas or NDSU, or USF, would be a Hell of a awesome, tough conference.

WSU, OSU, PAC is also talking to North Texas, NDSU, SMU, Cal, Airforce, SJSU to replace if any of their top choices don't join PAC 8, an or to add to the PAC 8 later to make it the PAC 10/12/14 later.

Doesn't mean, doesn't guarantee that this happen, but this is what WSU, OSU, PAC is trying to do behind the scenes, and is what they should do behind the scenes, at least according to Canzano, Wilner, Jim Williams, MHver3, Greg Swaime, Twitter, unnamed insider sources, locked on college football, locked on big 12, all combined together.
 
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That's a key point. Reading her quotes, it sounds like a lot of these "broad" conversations need to firm up quickly for anything to get done anytime soon. It also sounds like most of these are just more about scheduling alliances or playing some out of conference games, not something like WSU and OSU having any prospect of a Big 12 (or ACC) invitation.

I think this all nets out to the rebuild being likely, with a lot of questions possible surrounding that. I don't think we ever got 100% confirmation on whether the MWC/Pac-2 scheduling deal included provisions addressing any efforts by the Pac-12 to try to pick off particular MWC teams or not, but I recall hearing that those provisions were floated but ultimately didn't make it into the deal.

So we're probably looking at a rebuild where we take on most of the stronger Mountain West programs. I'd prefer being in an existing P4 conference, but I prefer picking off the better teams to just doing a reverse merger with the entire Mountain West, even if it's more costly up front. If SMU hadn't already made it into the Big 12, it would be a prime candidate to augment those stronger Mountain West programs, too.

Have to hope Yormark doesn't screw with us and go in and grab SDSU and/or Fresno, which are words I never thought I'd type.
What? The Pac/Mtn scheduling deal specifically calls out the poaching penalties - i.e. the ~$67M cost for poaching 6 teams. Up and above the exit fees for those mystery schools.

I don't think Gould has any idea what she is doing.

This Kyle Whittingham interview is worth a read. Sobering.

 
What? The Pac/Mtn scheduling deal specifically calls out the poaching penalties - i.e. the ~$67M cost for poaching 6 teams. Up and above the exit fees for those mystery schools.

I don't think Gould has any idea what she is doing.

This Kyle Whittingham interview is worth a read. Sobering.

Kyles been reading my comments from here, I see.
 
If we're talking to multiple conferences...let's sign multiple deals. Let's play a few with the ACC, a few with the Big 12, and some with the MWC. It's a more interesting schedule, creates more justification for a path to the CFP, and doesn't tie us in with anyone while keeping connections with everyone.
 
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If we're talking to multiple conferences...let's sign multiple deals. Let's play a few with the ACC, a few with the Big 12, and some with the MWC. It's a more interesting schedule, creates more justification for a path to the CFP, and doesn't tie us in with anyone while keeping connections with everyone.
So you are saying we should go independent? Good luck getting home-and home series with the ACC. Big-12? Maybe but still unlikely. Even the MW might thumb their noses at us in favor of more lucrative and CFP-enabling Power 4 foes.
 
So you are saying we should go independent? Good luck getting home-and home series with the ACC. Big-12? Maybe but still unlikely. Even the MW might thumb their noses at us in favor of more lucrative and CFP-enabling Power 4 foes.
Independent-ish…at least for 2025. Especially if the MWC is demanding the hefty payment for scheduling alignment that’s been mentioned.
 
Independent-ish…at least for 2025. Especially if the MWC is demanding the hefty payment for scheduling alignment that’s been mentioned.
I don't see Theresa signing the 2nd year of the scheduling agreement anyway. And that will be the end of that. But, for this season I'm going enjoy having you guys in the conference.
 
I don't see Theresa signing the 2nd year of the scheduling agreement anyway. And that will be the end of that. But, for this season I'm going enjoy having you guys in the conference.
Well I don't WTF she thinks she is going to line up. If we (continue to) dog the MW by not signing the contract or getting real on merger talks, we are in a world of hurt. We have 5 games currently on the 2025 schedule. Including at Virginia and (WTH?) at North Texas.

 
Well I don't WTF she thinks she is going to line up. If we (continue to) dog the MW by not signing the contract or getting real on merger talks, we are in a world of hurt. We have 5 games currently on the 2025 schedule. Including at Virginia and (WTH?) at North Texas.

Hopefully there are home-and-home deals. Especially north Texas…although there’s no world where we should be traveling first
 
Hopefully there are home-and-home deals. Especially north Texas…although there’s no world where we should be traveling first
Oh yeah, Virginia in 2031, when we will hopefully be still in the Big Sky.

2030 for North Texas State.

But let's keep dissing the Mtn West as our only option. We could not be f-ing this up any worse..........
 
Oh yeah, Virginia in 2031, when we will hopefully be still in the Big Sky.

2030 for North Texas State.

But let's keep dissing the Mtn West as our only option. We could not be f-ing this up any worse..........
Hey! Don't you be knock'n my Big Sky! I'm the biggest Jason Eck fan south of Washtucna! 🌵🌵🌵
 
Hey! Don't you be knock'n my Big Sky! I'm the biggest Jason Eck fan south of Washtucna! 🌵🌵🌵
Hah hah. South of Washtucna is Kahlotus. Which is where we are headed.

You guys just don't get it. WSU is on a shit train to oblivion. At North Texas in 2025? Are you F-ing kidding me? Teresa Gould is a disaster, 3rd one in a row. OSU seems oblivious, as if their Baseball success somehow makes them royalty. Anne McCoy, nice as she is, is a joke. Schulz? Please quit tomorrow, and take your lame as shit bloated upper administrators with you.
 
Hah hah. South of Washtucna is Kahlotus. Which is where we are headed.

You guys just don't get it. WSU is on a shit train to oblivion. At North Texas in 2025? Are you F-ing kidding me? Teresa Gould is a disaster, 3rd one in a row. OSU seems oblivious, as if their Baseball success somehow makes them royalty. Anne McCoy, nice as she is, is a joke. Schulz? Please quit tomorrow, and take your lame as shit bloated upper administrators with you.
Maybe that’s not so bad. Kahlotus has been in the playoffs more times than WSU is likely to
 
Hah hah. South of Washtucna is Kahlotus. Which is where we are headed.

You guys just don't get it. WSU is on a shit train to oblivion. At North Texas in 2025? Are you F-ing kidding me? Teresa Gould is a disaster, 3rd one in a row. OSU seems oblivious, as if their Baseball success somehow makes them royalty. Anne McCoy, nice as she is, is a joke. Schulz? Please quit tomorrow, and take your lame as shit bloated upper administrators with you.
Hey now…the Beavs have a legit wrestling program too.
 
If WSU reverse merges with the MWC or joins the MWC, they might as well just pack it all up, and focus on becoming a top academic university.
Well that is a real helpful perspective. The MW has multiple Land Grant and R1 universities. So what is your solution?

And Schulz has already destroyed our academic standing.
 
Well that is a real helpful perspective. The MW has multiple Land Grant and R1 universities. So what is your solution?

And Schulz has already destroyed our academic standing.
Look, CFB is/has already very difficult to tune into, there's plenty of apathy now. WSU dropping to the MWC in anyway basically extinguishes any ambition athletically. Do you think fans are going to continue to fire up the TV to tune in when/if that happens? It will no longer be a priority to a lot of people, methinks.

Personally, I'm good with EPL to start the mornings and then carrying on with whatever activities the weekend has planned. I used to be an entire day CFB junkie. Now, maybe one to two games a week, max.

And I agree on your assessment of Schulz and the academic standing. That needs a big reverse course.
 
Look, CFB is/has already very difficult to tune into, there's plenty of apathy now. WSU dropping to the MWC in anyway basically extinguishes any ambition athletically. Do you think fans are going to continue to fire up the TV to tune in when/if that happens? It will no longer be a priority to a lot of people, methinks.

Personally, I'm good with EPL to start the mornings and then carrying on with whatever activities the weekend has planned. I used to be an entire day CFB junkie. Now, maybe one to two games a week, max.

And I agree on your assessment of Schulz and the academic standing. That needs a big reverse course.
Yes there is plenty of apathy. Curious to know how Apple Cup tickets sales are going. I perused the ticketmaster site and see a buttload of unsold seat. Noticed the cheapest tickets are now $75. Did they drop the prices I wonder - thought the cheapest were $94.

Our Men's BB schedule (now out on Brand X) looks like crap IMHO. Multiple road then home games in 2-day spans. Although maybe that a good thing for attendance.

The silence from Athletics isn't helping matters, although what is there to say? Except maybe some hoorah about the TT game. As I've opined, it should be being promoted as Mike Leach Day.

Lots of G5 schools are maintaining interest among their fanbases. Multiple MW schools have or are doing stadium upgrades or in the case of SDSU and CSU, recent new stadiums. Playing North Texas and Idaho won't help matters.

As an aside, I'm amazed at how many P4 teams continue to schedule FCS teams.

 
It needs to be the Pacific Mountain Dew Conference, without a number attached. Ties in the MWC and the sponsor all in one sneaky word. :)
Beavers and Cougars, let’s get pornhub in on the streaming action. We already know from our exclusive group of Coug fans that jerk off to Mateer!
 
Yes there is plenty of apathy. Curious to know how Apple Cup tickets sales are going. I perused the ticketmaster site and see a buttload of unsold seat. Noticed the cheapest tickets are now $75. Did they drop the prices I wonder - thought the cheapest were $94.

Our Men's BB schedule (now out on Brand X) looks like crap IMHO. Multiple road then home games in 2-day spans. Although maybe that a good thing for attendance.

The silence from Athletics isn't helping matters, although what is there to say? Except maybe some hoorah about the TT game. As I've opined, it should be being promoted as Mike Leach Day.

Lots of G5 schools are maintaining interest among their fanbases. Multiple MW schools have or are doing stadium upgrades or in the case of SDSU and CSU, recent new stadiums. Playing North Texas and Idaho won't help matters.

As an aside, I'm amazed at how many P4 teams continue to schedule FCS teams.

I told anyone who wouldn’t listen that you’d be able to get tix for $10 the week of the game. My genius UW brother paid like $150 for his already.

UW is gonna suck and couldn’t fill their stadium against 12th ranked MSU a couple years ago and WSU fans are pretty apathetic about this game now. It will be a non event.
 
Yes there is plenty of apathy. Curious to know how Apple Cup tickets sales are going. I perused the ticketmaster site and see a buttload of unsold seat. Noticed the cheapest tickets are now $75. Did they drop the prices I wonder - thought the cheapest were $94.

Our Men's BB schedule (now out on Brand X) looks like crap IMHO. Multiple road then home games in 2-day spans. Although maybe that a good thing for attendance.

The silence from Athletics isn't helping matters, although what is there to say? Except maybe some hoorah about the TT game. As I've opined, it should be being promoted as Mike Leach Day.

Lots of G5 schools are maintaining interest among their fanbases. Multiple MW schools have or are doing stadium upgrades or in the case of SDSU and CSU, recent new stadiums. Playing North Texas and Idaho won't help matters.

As an aside, I'm amazed at how many P4 teams continue to schedule FCS teams.

When you've been playing the same conference teams for 100+ years and at the highest power-level available, only to more or less drop down a step/level and expected to pretend everything is the same, isn't going to fly for a lot of people. This administration better have a really, really good game plan on moving the entire university forward if that becomes the case (spoiler alert: I don't expect them to have any plan at all).

There can be arguments that WSU got lucky for all those years in being apart of the P8/10/12, but that's not their fault, and for the most part, WSU competed at the same level as many of their conference foes. But just because outsiders believe that doesn't mean fans should be excited to jump right in with the entire MWC, whatever way it can be sliced.
 
When you've been playing the same conference teams for 100+ years and at the highest power-level available, only to more or less drop down a step/level and expected to pretend everything is the same, isn't going to fly for a lot of people. This administration better have a really, really good game plan on moving the entire university forward if that becomes the case (spoiler alert: I don't expect them to have any plan at all).

There can be arguments that WSU got lucky for all those years in being apart of the P8/10/12, but that's not their fault, and for the most part, WSU competed at the same level as many of their conference foes. But just because outsiders believe that doesn't mean fans should be excited to jump right in with the entire MWC, whatever way it can be sliced.
Agree with you on this. No way should we panic and sign our future over to the MWC now. Why would we do that at this stage. Our administrators had better be turning over every stone and networking like crazy to beg our way into a Power 4 conference. If that doesn't ultimately work, then you have to contact as many of the remaining schools out there to see about rebuilding the "PacWest" with the best available programs you can get. The last option is merging with the MWC. That's going to always be available to us.
 
Agree with you on this. No way should we panic and sign our future over to the MWC now. Why would we do that at this stage. Our administrators had better be turning over every stone and networking like crazy to beg our way into a Power 4 conference. If that doesn't ultimately work, then you have to contact as many of the remaining schools out there to see about rebuilding the "PacWest" with the best available programs you can get. The last option is merging with the MWC. That's going to always be available to us.
Begging our way back into Power 4 probably doesn't create a long term gain. Most likely, we'd get in at a reduced share. Even if we got a full one, we'd then have to increase spending by several times to maintain our status, which would likely eat up the increases. And in a couple years, when there's another round of realignment, we probably get left behind again. I just don't see the benefit in playing into the current model. We're better off trying to create a new model...although I don't know what that is either.

As for the MWC, I don't agree that "that's going to always be available to us." Reality is that we're not considered marketable enough to be part of the P4...and using the same data, we don't bring that much benefit to the MWC. Networks aren't going to suddenly throw tens of millions at the MWC for the opportunity to carry OSU and WSU. Their per-school gain is going to be pretty modest, and the arrogant "we can always go to them, they'll always need us" attitude may just be enough to make them decide it's not worth taking us.

Imagine the situation was different. Imagine that Texas and OU just announced they're heading to the SEC. The ACC took the Kansas schools, the Big 10 took Nebraska and Iowa State. Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, and Oklahoma State are homeless. The Pac-12 contacts them to explore joining up, but they keep banging into walls at the SEC and Big 10 offices. Their presidents say that "Yes, we're considering turning the Pac-12 into the Pac-16, but we want to see if we can get in a better conference first." You know exactly what we'd say. F them. Let them rot out in the cold.

That's exactly what we're doing with the MWC - refusing to acknowledge our only real option in the desperate hope that we can get table scraps somewhere else. They have a conference, a media deal, and a path to the CFP. We don't. Who needs who more?
 
Well I don't WTF she thinks she is going to line up. If we (continue to) dog the MW by not signing the contract or getting real on merger talks, we are in a world of hurt. We have 5 games currently on the 2025 schedule. Including at Virginia and (WTH?) at North Texas.

At N TX is rediculous, they should be coming to Pullman first.
 
Begging our way back into Power 4 probably doesn't create a long term gain. Most likely, we'd get in at a reduced share. Even if we got a full one, we'd then have to increase spending by several times to maintain our status, which would likely eat up the increases. And in a couple years, when there's another round of realignment, we probably get left behind again. I just don't see the benefit in playing into the current model. We're better off trying to create a new model...although I don't know what that is either.

As for the MWC, I don't agree that "that's going to always be available to us." Reality is that we're not considered marketable enough to be part of the P4...and using the same data, we don't bring that much benefit to the MWC. Networks aren't going to suddenly throw tens of millions at the MWC for the opportunity to carry OSU and WSU. Their per-school gain is going to be pretty modest, and the arrogant "we can always go to them, they'll always need us" attitude may just be enough to make them decide it's not worth taking us.

Imagine the situation was different. Imagine that Texas and OU just announced they're heading to the SEC. The ACC took the Kansas schools, the Big 10 took Nebraska and Iowa State. Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, and Oklahoma State are homeless. The Pac-12 contacts them to explore joining up, but they keep banging into walls at the SEC and Big 10 offices. Their presidents say that "Yes, we're considering turning the Pac-12 into the Pac-16, but we want to see if we can get in a better conference first." You know exactly what we'd say. F them. Let them rot out in the cold.

That's exactly what we're doing with the MWC - refusing to acknowledge our only real option in the desperate hope that we can get table scraps somewhere else. They have a conference, a media deal, and a path to the CFP. We don't. Who needs who more?
WSU needs to remain a P4 to continue to keep whatever remaining relevant status in play, and hang on as long as possible. Otherwise, the university will have a major identity crisis, and I'm not confident in the current leadership understanding how to navigate those waters (they don't have a plan of action).
 
Agree with you on this. No way should we panic and sign our future over to the MWC now. Why would we do that at this stage. Our administrators had better be turning over every stone and networking like crazy to beg our way into a Power 4 conference. If that doesn't ultimately work, then you have to contact as many of the remaining schools out there to see about rebuilding the "PacWest" with the best available programs you can get. The last option is merging with the MWC. That's going to always be available to us.
Scuttlebutt is that your "last" option has almost (if not already) sailed.

We aren't going to beg our way into any P4 conference. We may not even be able to beg our way into the MW. Why can't you people get your arms around that?
 
Begging our way back into Power 4 probably doesn't create a long term gain. Most likely, we'd get in at a reduced share. Even if we got a full one, we'd then have to increase spending by several times to maintain our status, which would likely eat up the increases. And in a couple years, when there's another round of realignment, we probably get left behind again. I just don't see the benefit in playing into the current model. We're better off trying to create a new model...although I don't know what that is either.

As for the MWC, I don't agree that "that's going to always be available to us." Reality is that we're not considered marketable enough to be part of the P4...and using the same data, we don't bring that much benefit to the MWC. Networks aren't going to suddenly throw tens of millions at the MWC for the opportunity to carry OSU and WSU. Their per-school gain is going to be pretty modest, and the arrogant "we can always go to them, they'll always need us" attitude may just be enough to make them decide it's not worth taking us.

Imagine the situation was different. Imagine that Texas and OU just announced they're heading to the SEC. The ACC took the Kansas schools, the Big 10 took Nebraska and Iowa State. Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, and Oklahoma State are homeless. The Pac-12 contacts them to explore joining up, but they keep banging into walls at the SEC and Big 10 offices. Their presidents say that "Yes, we're considering turning the Pac-12 into the Pac-16, but we want to see if we can get in a better conference first." You know exactly what we'd say. F them. Let them rot out in the cold.

That's exactly what we're doing with the MWC - refusing to acknowledge our only real option in the desperate hope that we can get table scraps somewhere else. They have a conference, a media deal, and a path to the CFP. We don't. Who needs who more?
Agree with everything you say here. The MW already may be unavailable to the Pac-2, and certainly no longer on our terms thanks to our misplaced arrogance. your last paragraph sums it up pretty well. Between Teresa, Anne, Schulz and the dipshit OSU AD we are so screwing the pooch.
 
Agree with everything you say here. The MW already may be unavailable to the Pac-2, and certainly no longer on our terms thanks to our misplaced arrogance. your last paragraph sums it up pretty well. Between Teresa, Anne, Schulz and the dipshit OSU AD we are so screwing the pooch.
Gloria still seems to be interested. It's been pretty quiet at MWC headquarters but I found this blurb today in an article from earlier in the day. Not much there but, sounds like she still has interest in the Pac-2.

From the article:
"

Playing the Pac-2​

Oregon State and Washington State, the two remaining members of the Pac-12, will each play eight games against Mountain West schools that won't count in the league standings.
Conference Commissioner Gloria Nevarez said the Mountain West is in discussions about continuing that relationship next year and said she would like to have the matter decided before this season begins.

Time, of course, is getting tight.
“I think they've really added up a pump to our football strength of schedule,” Nevarez said.
"
Full article here:

https://www.kgw.com/article/sports/...dule/277-0e7971fd-a9bc-448c-b08c-6b98a76cb958
 
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