The cowards up north

[mikalalas]

wrong.

ucla came in with a plan and executed it almost to perfection. that isn't Zags choking, that's Zags seeing good coaching/matchups/effort.

Its semi choking, because no matter how good UCLA played, GONZAGA WAS SUPPOSED TO BEAT, CRUSH UCLA BECAUSE GONZAGA WAS, IS SUPPOSEDLY SUPPOSED TO BE THAT GOOD.

BEST TEAMS EVER LIKE 91-92 Duke, GONZAGA, etc, ARE SUPPOSED TO CRUSH #11 seed, UCLA that had 12 losses, no matter how well UCLA played. No matter how good UCLA plays, that shouldnt be enough to either win, or make it that close.

Because it was that close, thst denonstrates that Gonzaga is NOT a Best Team Ever type of team, and is still OVERRATED, or they would have, should have done better vs UCLA.

OVERRATED.

 

[spongeandshoot]

Its semi choking, because no matter how good UCLA played, GONZAGA WAS SUPPOSED TO BEAT, CRUSH UCLA BECAUSE GONZAGA WAS, IS SUPPOSEDLY SUPPOSED TO BE THAT GOOD.

BEST TEAMS EVER LIKE 91-92 Duke, GONZAGA, etc, ARE SUPPOSED TO CRUSH #11 seed, UCLA that had 12 losses, no matter how well UCLA played. No matter how good UCLA plays, that shouldnt be enough to either win, or make it that close.

Because it was that close, thst denonstrates that Gonzaga is NOT a Best Team Ever type of team, and is still OVERRATED, or they would have, should have done better vs UCLA.

OVERRATED.

Whoever is saying this is the best team ever is smoking rocks.

They don't even pass the eyeball test.

Those Florida teams would mop the floor with them....and I think Baylor is going to give them problems.

A good team, yes. Not even close to being the greatest ever.

 

[SaveFerris]

Whoever is saying this is the best team ever is smoking rocks.

They don't even pass the eyeball test.

Those Florida teams would mop the floor with them....and I think Baylor is going to give them problems.

A good team, yes. Not even close to being the greatest ever.

I have seen a few posts saying GU is potentially a top 5 all-time team. I wasn't around for the UCLA days (Alcindor or Walton years) but over the last 10-15 years the college game has been pretty watered down with one-and-dones moving on to the NBA compared to 20 years and back. Imagine KD required to play until after his junior season? Kareem and Walton weren't even allowed to play varsity as freshman.

GU's talent and the way they play is impressive but I think the Jordan, Worthy, Perkins '82 UNC team could hang a bit with them. So could the Laetner, Hill, Hurley Duke team, Ewing at G'Town, Olajuwon/Drexler at Houston, Johnson/Augmon at UNLV, and the Fab 5? There's others as well but other than the Fab 5 the others mentioned were not only talented but had a lot of experience.

I'm not a Zag fan but I get they are a really good story. They have built an amazing program. I think some perspective is probably a good idea.

 

[mikalalas]

I have seen a few posts saying GU is potentially a top 5 all-time team. I wasn't around for the UCLA days (Alcindor or Walton years) but over the last 10-15 years the college game has been pretty watered down with one-and-dones moving on to the NBA compared to 20 years and back. Imagine KD required to play until after his junior season? Kareem and Walton weren't even allowed to play varsity as freshman.

GU's talent and the way they play is impressive but I think the Jordan, Worthy, Perkins '82 UNC team could hang a bit with them. So could the Laetner, Hill, Hurley Duke team, Ewing at G'Town, Olajuwon/Drexler at Houston, Johnson/Augmon at UNLV, and the Fab 5? There's others as well but other than the Fab 5 the others mentioned were not only talented but had a lot of experience.

I'm not a Zag fan but I get they are a really good story. They have built an amazing program. I think some perspective is probably a good idea.

Those teams you mentioned, and ANY of the WOODEN Teams would not only hang with Gonzaga, they would beat Gonzaga 3 out of a 3 game series, by 13 to 40 points each of the 3 games.

Gonzaga wouldnt even HANG with those teams.

Those teams would DESTROY a 11th Seed, 12 loss UCLA team, UNLIKE Gonzaga.

 

[Rich Lewis]

You could throw in the Elvin Hayes era at Houston, the Texas Western team that Don Haskins put together, and probably several others. To argue which is the best is a futile effort. However, if you're going to argue it you have to consider Gonzaga. I don't like them either but I certainly respect what they have accomplished.

 

[Observer11]

Gonzaga is really, really good.

To put them with the UCLA all-timers is going to require some Basketball Hall of Famers. Maybe Suggs??? People forget how stacked those UCLA teams were. Sam Gilbert bought and paid for them all but that's a different conversation.

Indiana 1976 also went 33-1 the year prior. Scott May played with a cast on in the NCAA tournament. Multiple NBA/Hall of Fame guys. They have to be in the mix.

NC State with David Thompson was on probation and went 27-0, then 30-1 in 1974. Only loss early in the season to Walton and UCLA.

I guess I just don't see that level of dominance with Gonzaga 2021 but we'll see Monday night. If they blast Baylor by 20+, maybe. If they lose, they'll miss out on the discussion.

 

[COUGinNCW]

If they lose they’ll be in the all time should have, could have, would have conversation with UNLV.

 

[SaveFerris]

You could throw in the Elvin Hayes era at Houston, the Texas Western team that Don Haskins put together, and probably several others. To argue which is the best is a futile effort. However, if you're going to argue it you have to consider Gonzaga. I don't like them either but I certainly respect what they have accomplished.

I definitely respect what Few has done. It’s gone well beyond impressive.

 

[wazzucougs96]

They just beat Kansas, West Virginia, Virginia, Iowa, BYU, Auburn, Creighton, Oklahoma and USC. Not sure who else they’re supposed to play to be legit.

Blame Moos for f’ing up WSU basketball so horribly with his buddy hire that Gonzaga won’t play the Cougs straight up any longer. They have better and bigger paydays than what was an interesting rivalry for a few years. Not Gonzaga’s fault. They just keep winning.

Coug fans claiming GU isn’t “real” don’t know jack about basketball. They’ve been real going on 20 years now.

Moos does get blame for this, but Few cried for years about UW big timing him and now he pulls the same crap with WSU. He remains a chump.

 

[Observer11]

Moos does get blame for this, but Few cried for years about UW big timing him and now he pulls the same crap with WSU. He remains a chump.

Kelvin big timed GU first.

Moos tried to get into a dick measuring contest with Roth and had no hand.

Chun could work it out.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Kelvin big timed GU first.

Moos tried to get into a dick measuring contest with Roth and had no hand.

Chun could work it out.

Kelvin did do that, but then WSU made it right. As they should have.

Moos is a clown. He should have dropped GU from the schedule from every sport we play them in. WSU does not need Gonzaga. Chun shouldn't even waste his time.

 

[Observer11]

Kelvin did do that, but then WSU made it right. As they should have.

Moos is a clown. He should have dropped GU from the schedule from every sport we play them in. WSU does not need Gonzaga. Chun shouldn't even waste his time.

Moos is a clown. We’ll agree.

Inland NW basketball is better when all four schools are playing one another. Iron sharpens iron.

Competitors compete and you’ve got to play the best to be the best. Or just change some of the lyrics in the fight song if you don’t want to be there.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Moos is a clown. We’ll agree.

Inland NW basketball is better when all four schools are playing one another. Iron sharpens iron.

Competitors compete and you’ve got to play the best to be the best. Or just change some of the lyrics in the fight song if you don’t want to be there.

When GU wants to do the H&H like normal again, I'm sure the WSU AD will pick up the phone and discuss. Until then...

 

[COCoug]

Yes- honestly they need UW, WSU, Oregon and Oregon State. It is all to their advantage to play us.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Moos is a clown. We’ll agree.

Inland NW basketball is better when all four schools are playing one another. Iron sharpens iron.

Competitors compete and you’ve got to play the best to be the best. Or just change some of the lyrics in the fight song if you don’t want to be there.

WSU did want to be there. Don't let GU off the hook for big timing us just because they could.

 

[wazzucougs96]

When GU wants to do the H&H like normal again, I'm sure the WSU AD will pick up the phone and discuss. Until then...

The only possible exception to this I could see is an annual game at the Spokane Arena where tickets are allocated 50% to each school and controlled by each school. Would also have to be on a Saturday for maximum student attendance (or during winter break when both schools do not have students on campus.)

But even this feels like a bridge too far, IMO.

 

[M-I-Coug]

Yep Gonzaga STILL OVERRATED, unless they beat Baylor in the Championship by 13 to 40 points.

If Gonzaga wins by 2 vs Baylor, then because of the UCLA game, they are STILL OVERRATED.

Time for Gonzaga to CLEARLY PROVE they are the best.

I dont think that will happen.

I think Baylor beats Gonzaga, and Gonzaga CHOKES IT AGAIN for the ZILLIONTH time.

OVERRATED

You were right.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

The only possible exception to this I could see is an annual game at the Spokane Arena where tickets are allocated 50% to each school and controlled by each school. Would also have to be on a Saturday for maximum student attendance (or during winter break when both schools do not have students on campus.)

But even this feels like a bridge too far, IMO.

IIRC, GU wanted the bigger gate at Spokane arena, essentially making it a 2:1 in their favor.

 

[wazzucougs96]

IIRC, GU wanted the bigger gate at Spokane arena, essentially making it a 2:1 in their favor.

They wanted a rotation of Spokane Arena, Kennel, Beasley.

 

[Observer11]

They wanted a rotation of Spokane Arena, Kennel, Beasley.

And Moos was an idiot like always when it came to basketball and wouldn't go for it - Arena tickets could have been split 50/50 between the schools.

All hat, no cattle. Couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

 

[wazzucougs96]

And Moos was an idiot like always when it came to basketball and wouldn't go for it - Arena tickets could have been split 50/50 between the schools.

All hat, no cattle. Couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

Letting GU walk was the right move.

 

[Observer11]

Letting GU walk was the right move.

Sure Arkansas Pine Bluff really helps the RPI.

Just schedule NIC or LCSC instead.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Sure Arkansas Pine Bluff really helps the RPI.

Just schedule NIC or LCSC instead.

Winning Pac 12 games is more important and more than enough to help our NET/KenPom/RPI rankings.

Playing GU would be great. Getting played by GU is something else entirely.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

And Moos was an idiot like always when it came to basketball and wouldn't go for it - Arena tickets could have been split 50/50 between the schools.

All hat, no cattle. Couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

Not when GU wanted more of the gate in the Spokane Arena game. Pretty sure had they split 50:50, it'd been done.

 

[mikalalas]

The only possible exception to this I could see is an annual game at the Spokane Arena where tickets are allocated 50% to each school and controlled by each school. Would also have to be on a Saturday for maximum student attendance (or during winter break when both schools do not have students on campus.)

But even this feels like a bridge too far, IMO.

That would still be practicallyva home game for Gonzaga. The Gonzaga fans would sell out their 50% allocation. And WSU fans would only sell 5% to 17% of their allocation. And even if sold a lot of their allocation, only about 3% to 19% of WSU fans would show up. And the Kennel would show up be LOUD, and the ZZU Crew, WSU Crew would NOT be there, and WSU fans would not be loud or as loud.

It would be a Home game for Gonzaga, each year. No home game for WSU ever. Always the Gonzaga Home game at the Spokane Arena.

Of Course Gonzaga would go for that.

Hopefully that never happens. And I think Chun is smart enough not to do that option, that should never be a option.

 

[wazzucougs96]

That would still be practicallyva home game for Gonzaga. The Gonzaga fans would sell out their 50% allocation. And WSU fans would only sell 5% to 17% of their allocation. And even if sold a lot of their allocation, only about 3% to 19% of WSU fans would show up. And the Kennel would show up be LOUD, and the ZZU Crew, WSU Crew would NOT be there, and WSU fans would not be loud or as loud.

It would be a Home game for Gonzaga, each year. No home game for WSU ever. Always the Gonzaga Home game at the Spokane Arena.

Of Course Gonzaga would go for that.

Hopefully that never happens. And I think Chun is smart enough not to do that option, that should never be a option.

GU has the same issue with students not being at games during winter break that WSU has. I wouldn't worry about them having a student section and WSU not.

 

[COUGinNCW]

They wanted a rotation of Spokane Arena, Kennel, Beasley.

The Spokane arena game was a gu home game and they controlled the tickets. Moos negotiated WSU’s pep band getting seats but that was all the Cougs got. I’d be okay with Kennel, Beasley and the Arena with a 50-50 split. GU would end up with 75% of the tickets regardless but at least there would be a strong Coug presence and it would be a lot of fun.

 

[mikalalas]

GU has the same issue with students not being at games during winter break that WSU has. I wouldn't worry about them having a student section and WSU not.

Students are not the Only Gonzaga fans. And even the Non student Gonzaga fans woukd still attend.

In fact, if the Spokane Arena game were to be held during Winter break, the non student Gonzaga fans would still buy out, sell out their 50% Allocation, and still have 100% Attendance of their 50% Allocation, and would still be loud.

Meanwhile on the WSU side, with no students, WSU selling, attendance of their 50% Allocation would go down even further, so that it would be, go down from 5% to 18% down to 2% to 5% attendance, and would not be loud.

It would still end up being a Home game, or home game fan like advantage for Gonzaga.

Again Gonzaga would do that.

Gonzaga knows that their non student SPOKANE GONZAGA fans woukd goto the game.

They know that from when Gonzaga schedules a big time game during winter break, at home, and the Kennel is still PACKED FULL of LOUD Non Student Gonzaga fans.

This idea for a winter break Spokane Arena game that would still be a Home game for Gonzaga is a HORRIBLE IDEA.

 

[mikalalas]

The Spokane arena game was a gu home game and they controlled the tickets. Moos negotiated WSU’s pep band getting seats but that was all the Cougs got. I’d be okay with Kennel, Beasley and the Arena with a 50-50 split. GU would end up with 75% of the tickets regardless but at least there would be a strong Coug presence and it would be a lot of fun.

There would not be a STRONG coug presence. WSU fan attendence, at the Spokane Arena, whether against Gonzaga or some other Noncon, has been extremely LOW.

Even at 50/50 allocation of tickets, Gonzaga would sell out, attend, and WSU would have 5% to 19% show up(2% to 5% if during winterbreak).

It would be a Gonzaga HOME game, No MATTER WHAT.

Its a TERRIBLE IDEA.

 

[wazzucougs96]

I think you are underselling the number of Cougs that would go, but I also agree its a terrible idea. Home and home should be the only scenario.

If/when that happens it needs to move from the traditional weeknight game to Saturdays though.

 

[FnuLnu]

I think you are underselling the number of Cougs that would go, but I also agree its a terrible idea. Home and home should be the only scenario.

If/when that happens it needs to move from the traditional weeknight game to Saturdays though.

Vs New Mexico State in Spokane 1,220 were present on a Saturday - Smith era, not Ernie Kent

And New Mexico State made the NCAA tourney.

Apparently low tier grifter Bobby Brett needed a payday for a 11AM Saturday rental.

If you want fans in Spokane to show up to WSU hoops games (men's or women's), the solution is to hire Paul Wulff to coach (after passing an intensive on-line Bennett Ball course)

 

[Observer11]

The Spokane arena game was a gu home game and they controlled the tickets. Moos negotiated WSU’s pep band getting seats but that was all the Cougs got. I’d be okay with Kennel, Beasley and the Arena with a 50-50 split. GU would end up with 75% of the tickets regardless but at least there would be a strong Coug presence and it would be a lot of fun.

See also my comment about Moos not being able to negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

He had no idea how to play the press, no idea how to play the elected officials, no idea how to engage the locals who have Few's ear - and there are several (not me but there are some).

Because when you're all hat, no cattle, all you care about is your hat.

 

[Observer11]

There would not be a STRONG coug presence. WSU fan attendence, at the Spokane Arena, whether against Gonzaga or some other Noncon, has been extremely LOW.

Even at 50/50 allocation of tickets, Gonzaga would sell out, attend, and WSU would have 5% to 19% show up(2% to 5% if during winterbreak).

It would be a Gonzaga HOME game, No MATTER WHAT.

Its a TERRIBLE IDEA.

Mike - there would be a huge Coug presence in the Arena for a Gonzaga game. There is virtually no interest in a Coug non conference game in the Arena against Middle BumPhuck State. Not an apples to apples comparison.

Spokane is called Hooptown USA for a reason - they know good ball. Middle BumPhuck State isn't good ball.

WSU/Gonzaga would be good ball for any number of reasons. WSU would sell their half of the Arena, no problem.

 

[etowncoug]

Because when you're all hat, no cattle, all you care about is your hat.

Nice dig at Rolo.

 

[COCoug]

I think there is enough water under the bridge to hit the reset button on this one. They could sign a 3 game contract and see how it goes- it doesn't have to be for 30 years. At this point, I think a few Coug fans might show up....

 

[CougSinceBirth]

See also my comment about Moos not being able to negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

He had no idea how to play the press, no idea how to play the elected officials, no idea how to engage the locals who have Few's ear - and there are several (not me but there are some).

Because when you're all hat, no cattle, all you care about is your hat.

Seems like we have a similarity...we don't like ADs. The difference...we don't like different ones.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Seems like we have a similarity...we don't like ADs. The difference...we don't like different ones.

CSB, What’s your beef with Chun?

 

[CougSinceBirth]

CSB, What’s your beef with Chun?

I'll leave it at this: he's missed the mark on certain things with me.

That is not to say I can't give credit where do: he's made some solid hires. But I'm out on the Schulz/Chun administration, overall.

(FWIW, I'm not singing Moos praises either - he had plenty of faults. But Floyd and Moos (even with all those faults) saved modern day WSU athletics, IMO.)

 

[wazzucougs96]

I'll leave it at this: he's missed the mark on certain things with me.

That is not to say I can't give credit where do: he's made some solid hires. But I'm out on the Schulz/Chun administration, overall.

(FWIW, I'm not singing Moos praises either - he had plenty of faults. But Floyd and Moos (even with all those faults) saved modern day WSU athletics, IMO.)

Care to elaborate?

 

[wazzucougs96]

Sean Miller fired at Arizona. Word is Tommy Lloyd from GU might be their top target. Would be great to see him leave and crack that façade of GU being a lifetime job.