Thomas Toki will arrive to Pullman in January

[Coug1990]

I read about this earlier on BX, but did not report it because it was on the premium site. But, BY has it on their front page, so the Cougar is out of the bag now. Toki was not able to get cleared by the NCAA. So, he will come in January. He is still only 17, so coming in playing in 2016 is like redshirting this season.

 

[Cougatron]

I read about this earlier on BX, but did not report it because it was on the premium site. But, BY has it on their front page, so the Cougar is out of the bag now. Toki was not able to get cleared by the NCAA. So, he will come in January. He is still only 17, so coming in playing in 2016 is like redshirting this season.

Glad he still is on his way. He'll be great. Cooper was one of those guys that struggled to be eligible and he played last night getting a sack with an NFL jersey on. I'm happy for Toki and his family that he will be able to get in. He'll be great, and coming in at January may be for the best so he comes in fresh and gets the benefit of a spring ball in addition to his first eligible year.

 

[YakiCoug]

Glad he still is on his way. He'll be great. Cooper was one of those guys that struggled to be eligible and he played last night getting a sack with an NFL jersey on. I'm happy for Toki and his family that he will be able to get in. He'll be great, and coming in at January may be for the best so he comes in fresh and gets the benefit of a spring ball in addition to his first eligible year.

Is he going to enroll part time this fall and go full time in January?

 

[Coug1990]

Is he going to enroll part time this fall and go full time in January?

He will be staying home until January.

 

[kayak15]

Very glad to hear this- that he has made it in, albeit somewhat tardily. Two concerns: Am I right in believing that he cannot sign a LOI until January? If so, that leaves him open to poaching by other programs. (Stay with him, Big Joe. Others will be sniffing around for sure.) Also, I wish he was on campus for the training this Fall as well as being able to utilize the nutrition and S&C programs. Can the staff, including the S&C guys, give him instructions on what to work on during his wait or is this verboten until he is actually here? That being said- better late than never. An attenuated red-shirt year is acceptable if not ideal. Glad to have him.

 

[chinookpirate]

Glad he's coming!

Glad he's getting a free year! (sort of)

 

[Cougatron]

Very glad to hear this- that he has made it in, albeit somewhat tardily. Two concerns: Am I right in believing that he cannot sign a LOI until January? If so, that leaves him open to poaching by other programs. (Stay with him, Big Joe. Others will be sniffing around for sure.) Also, I wish he was on campus for the training this Fall as well as being able to utilize the nutrition and S&C programs. Can the staff, including the S&C guys, give him instructions on what to work on during his wait or is this verboten until he is actually here? That being said- better late than never. An attenuated red-shirt year is acceptable if not ideal. Glad to have him.

He signed his LOI on Feb 4th It is binding for 4 years so he can't be poached unless released or appealed. He can't use the S&C program unless he is enrolled, but the coaches can talk to him all they want. What I assume is that he will be taking classes this fall until cleared by the NCAA and then enroll in January.

 

[kayak15]

O.K. Thanks, tron. I was not sure whether his LOI last February was invalid or not.

 

[ElComanche]

According to the article,he is only 17 years of age. The extra year will allow to mature and gain strength.

 

[CougEd]

He signed his LOI on Feb 4th It is binding for 4 years so he can't be poached unless released or appealed. He can't use the S&C program unless he is enrolled, but the coaches can talk to him all they want. What I assume is that he will be taking classes this fall until cleared by the NCAA and then enroll in January.

Not sure that is correct...If he is not admitted the LOI become Null and Void. Also, a minor technicality is that they are a series of one year agreements, renewed at the option of the school. But like the NFL, they have player control at their option and can remove someone off scholie for not being good enough.
The NLI shall be declared null and void if any of the following occur:

1. ADMISSION REQUIREMENTS: If a prospective student-athlete is denied admission to the signing institution, the NLI shall be declared null and void. There must be documentation substantiating the denial of admission before an NLI is considered null and void. The prospective student-athlete should be informed by the signing institution of the status of his or her admissions.

 

[Coug1990]

Not sure that is correct...If he is not admitted the LOI become Null and Void.
The NLI shall be declared null and void if any of the following occur:

1. ADMISSION REQUIREMENTS: If a prospective student-athlete is denied admission to the signing institution, the NLI shall be declared null and void. There must be documentation substantiating the denial of admission before an NLI is considered null and void. The prospective student-athlete should be informed by the signing institution of the status of his or her admissions.

I think you are correct unless the rule has only recently changed.

 

[Cougatron]

Not sure that is correct...If he is not admitted the LOI become Null and Void. Also, a minor technicality is that they are a series of one year agreements, renewed at the option of the school. But like the NFL, they have player control at their option and can remove someone off scholie for not being good enough.
The NLI shall be declared null and void if any of the following occur:

1. ADMISSION REQUIREMENTS: If a prospective student-athlete is denied admission to the signing institution, the NLI shall be declared null and void. There must be documentation substantiating the denial of admission before an NLI is considered null and void. The prospective student-athlete should be informed by the signing institution of the status of his or her admissions.

He isn't denied admission. It's the NCAA clearinghouse that is denying his eligibility.

This is how it works. NCAA clearinghouse 1st. Then the school.

He was never denied admission, but in order to play and receive a scholarship he must meet the NCAA clearinghouse requirements.

To give some specifics. This is how Farrar ended up at WSU.

NCAA clearinghouse requirements met. > Virginia > denied enrollment > WSU acceptance eligibility immediately as NLI was void due to enrollment denial.

Toki's situation is NCAA clearinghouse requirements failed > must meet requirements > WSU admission/enrollment.

WSU wouldn't turn him down if he was eligible, but he isn't.

 

[Coug1990]

He isn't denied admission. It's the NCAA clearinghouse that is denying his eligibility.

This is how it works. NCAA clearinghouse 1st. Then the school.

He was never denied admission, but in order to play and receive a scholarship he must meet the NCAA clearinghouse requirements.

To give some specifics. This is how Farrar ended up at WSU.

NCAA clearinghouse requirements met. > Virginia > denied enrollment > WSU acceptance eligibility immediately as NLI was void due to enrollment denial.

Toki's situation is NCAA clearinghouse requirements failed > must meet requirements > WSU admission/enrollment.

WSU wouldn't turn him down if he was eligible, but he isn't.

He can choose to go to a JC which does make him a recruitable athlete again and is not bound for four years. Most of us remember Carl Bonnell who was a four star QB recruit during the Price years. He signed a LOI back then and actually enrolled at WSU the first semester at WSU as a part time student as he grayshirted.

Rick Neuheisel recruited him from the WSU campus and he changed his mind and became a husky.

Rules could have changed, as we know there is no longer a grayshirt. So, you could be right. But, I am not sure either way yet.

 

[CougEd]

He isn't denied admission. It's the NCAA clearinghouse that is denying his eligibility.

This is how it works. NCAA clearinghouse 1st. Then the school.

He was never denied admission, but in order to play and receive a scholarship he must meet the NCAA clearinghouse requirements.

To give some specifics. This is how Farrar ended up at WSU.

NCAA clearinghouse requirements met. > Virginia > denied enrollment > WSU acceptance eligibility immediately as NLI was void due to enrollment denial.

Toki's situation is NCAA clearinghouse requirements failed > must meet requirements > WSU admission/enrollment.

WSU wouldn't turn him down if he was eligible, but he isn't.

I believe your understanding is incorrect.

 

[fingerdisco]

I believe your understanding is incorrect.

Probably doesn't matter since he seems to have a good relationship to Coach Joe and really wants to be a Coug. He's been committed to WSU from the get go, so it would shock me if he doesn't end up knocking heads for us.

 

[CougEd]

He isn't denied admission. It's the NCAA clearinghouse that is denying his eligibility.

This is how it works. NCAA clearinghouse 1st. Then the school.

He was never denied admission, but in order to play and receive a scholarship he must meet the NCAA clearinghouse requirements.

To give some specifics. This is how Farrar ended up at WSU.

NCAA clearinghouse requirements met. > Virginia > denied enrollment > WSU acceptance eligibility immediately as NLI was void due to enrollment denial.

Toki's situation is NCAA clearinghouse requirements failed > must meet requirements > WSU admission/enrollment.

WSU wouldn't turn him down if he was eligible, but he isn't.

The NCAA portrays it differently than you...b. "Eligibility Requirements. This NLI shall be declared null and void if, by the opening day of classes in fall 2015, I have not met NCAA initial eligibility requirements; NCAA, conference or institution's requirements for athletics financial aid; or two-year college transfer requirements, provided I have submitted all necessary documents for eligibility determination."

 

[Cougatron]

The NCAA portrays it differently than you...b. "Eligibility Requirements. This NLI shall be declared null and void if, by the opening day of classes in fall 2015, I have not met NCAA initial eligibility requirements; NCAA, conference or institution's requirements for athletics financial aid; or two-year college transfer requirements, provided I have submitted all necessary documents for eligibility determination."

Okay if that's the rule then that's the rule. Kid still says he's coming in January.