Huh ?
This year was the first time Herm’s ASU Staff played Leach & they gave up 498 yds of total offense & forced Zero turnovers in Tempe.
Utah beat WSU for the first time in last 5-yrs
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This year was the first time Herm’s ASU Staff played Leach & they gave up 498 yds of total offense & forced Zero turnovers in Tempe.
Utah beat WSU for the first time in last 5-yrs
You make some good points, but I find your timing odd. We just came off a victory in which a lot of the things you complain about were not a problem. We were 9-13 on third down, Borghi was able to run the ball 15 times for 111 yards (didn't refuse to run), AG spread the ball around with 6 different receivers getting at least 4 catches, I don't recall that our special teams gave Stanford any good field position. I know you are talking about the season in general, but I would think at least yesterday's game would warrant a positive comment, not the same criticisms we read after last week's game.
Glad Cougar
Yes, Bruiser, The Ghost and Sammy Moore were all really great plant an go types. I just am amazed how quickly Harris can get to full speed, he looks so effortless in doing so and sheds blocker with ease. He also has tremendous vision.
I think he returns a KO to the house against the Beavs!!
I think he returns a KO to the house against the Beavs!!
One game doesn’t mean it’s fixed. Especially against a team that has also struggled all season. And, as noted, our D still gave up 500+ to a backup QB...because our DBs are constantly playing with their back to the ball, and have no idea where it is.
What I mean is this... close to figuring out how to stop the scoring.... 500 yards did what in a losing effort??? See how they lined up with 2 DL??? They are close to figuring it out.
Utah gave up 1 touchdown. 1.
Look past the surface by complaining about the offense in a game where we never punted?
That's kind of an odd way to phrase an argument. Only 19 points on 400 yards? So, they drove the entire length of the field 4 times, scored 3 TDs and turned it over once. Ok, so they weren't perfect.
Also odd complaint in a game we ended up scoring 49.
My bad, I thought we were talking specifically about the special teams coach. If we were talking about the entire staff in general I would get your point, but we were talking about the special team coach and that is what I commented on.
Here is the conundrum. If you put up 42 WSU will probably go 9-3 or 10-2 with our defense
Your best recruits year in and year out are on the offensive side of the ball. Add to the fact we often go for 4 and 2 or less, and we are not afraid to do it near the 50, that is added pressure.
That being the case, of course your offense will be under more scrutiny if it isn't as efficient. And AG puts up great numbers but three teams can shut this offense down. So in those games we better have a more accomplished defense.
Go back to circa 1992 and put number 24 on Harris. Similar footwork, similar acceleration and cutting ability.
It’s something Ive wondered about to. Not every drive is gonna be 75-100 yards.
Maybe a better statistic is how many drives you score on?
49 points on 500 yards of offense isnt unreasonable. Scoring less would be an eye raising issue. Scoring more wouldnt surprise me.
I looked up our stats for this year and we have 7 receivers with 30+ catches through 10 games. Rodrick Fisher has 19 catches so isn't likely to get there. projecting the current stats out to 13 games, you see the following results:
Winston (Z): 77
Borghi (RB): 68
Arconado (Y): 66
Patmon (Z): 49
Bell (H): 43
Harris (H): 40
Martin (X): 40
Fisher (X): 25
McIntosh (RB): 10
Last year, here was the distribution for the season (7 receivers with 30+ catches through 13 games):
Williams (RB): 83
Martin (X): 69
Patmon (Z): 61
Borghi (RB): 53
Winston (Z): 52
Calvin (Y): 42
Sweet (Y): 33
Harris (H): 27
Jackson (X?): 26
Bell (H): 20
Breaking it into the different positions, you see the following:
2018
X: 95
Y: 75
H: 47
Z: 113
RB: 136
2019
X: 65
Y: 115
H: 83
Z: 126
RB: 78
The numbers above do support the idea that Gordon likes the middle of the field and the right side of the field more than Minshew did. This listing obviously doesn't factor in the location of the catch and that is flawed in itself. If one thing jumps out more than anything else, it's that the supposition that Gordon is always dumping the ball in the flat is a falsehood. For the talk of Tay Martin getting ignored, the running back position is the spot that's seen the largest drop in touches this year. The X spot is definitely not getting as much love as last year though.
That is interesting . Were posters whining when they said Harris reminded them of Sammy Moore ? He has a unique acceleration and ability cut full speed that someone like Broussard did not . He reminds me of hunter more than anyone . Sorry that bothers you somehow
Take a peek at attempts and completions to the left 1/3 of the field and also look at his completions percentage when AG is on the move .
The dropoff at RB is because McIntosh as #2 is a big dropoff from Borghi at #2. And if you adhere to the philosophy of even distribution to all five ball carriers, the RBs were getting the ball too much in 2018 (and years prior years too). I'm assuming your numbers are receptions only?
You've had four years of bowl games to store up all your whining. Now that we're at a .500 record you and Biggs and the other whiners that can't handle success have decided to unleash your whining. You're a whiner. You know it. I know it. Everyone else knows it too.
So you know, you would fail the MMSE with that type of response and a healthcare professional would conclude you suffer from dementia.
Yes I have whined a ton. Don't believe I was the one that after the PSU game thought we should have a plan for a new coach. I have never wavered Leach would be successful.
Also, I have been through way more losing seasons than winning ones, and my support and commitment has never changed or wavered.
And it was last year I felt we would be .500 or below, that was my expectation, so no I am not "whining" about being .500.
And let me amend the part about whining. Yeah, I guess I have after the Apple Cup blow outs and said I would almost rather see an Apple Cup win and a losing season.
And sorry that you are so unhinged in a comparison of players I picked Tory Hunter as a player Harris reminds me of.
And to your whining question, if stating something pretty obvious, we need better CB play is whining in analyzing why we aren't keeping UCLA below 67, ASU below 38 then I guess I am guilty as charged.
Never once have I ever put leach on a hot seat. Never have I said a DC should be fired.
Instead you just insist that players were sprayed with a hose in subfreezing temperatures when weather data shows that wasn't true. Instead you whine Travell Harris is not playing CB. But at least you're honest enough to admit that you prefer losing and winning the AC over a winning season. You prefer losing and can't handle success. Embrace who you are.
And you don't know what unhinged means.
I don’t believe I have ever said Harris should play cb, but since you bring it up he does have the footwork for it . And the acceleration .
I have shown at least one day that year in September , I believe it was the 12th it got that cold in the am. Oh, I think even if you call it a whine , it was seven years ago. You bring it up, not me . Hell there are people on this board who have been married and divorced twice in that time span.
And btw the s and c coach had zip to do with leach . So I fail to see your point .
How may times in this thread have you said that Harris has the footwork, etc. to play corner? What is that other than whining about him not playing corner?
Could the two of you take this tired old argument to PMs, so you don't get another thread obliterated?
I don't believe I have used Harris name regarding playing corner on the board. I have said there is a receiver who has the footwork to play corner, I don't believe I have called him out by name, but since you mentioned it, I would agree he does have the footwork to play corner. Does he have the temperament?
To be more blunt, I have said that the one area in recruiting that needs to be lifted and should be easier than getting d or olineman is corner.
And BTW, I actually got to watch Jalen T yesterday and he may be the best safety to come out of WSU since Lamont. It is too bad we don't have him this year. He would have helped in the UCLA game.
This is extraordinarily dumb, even for you.
"Go back to circa 1992 and put number 24 on Harris. Similar footwork, similar acceleration and cutting ability."
-CougEd
Yeah...and your point? Did Hunter not return kicks? I didn't know Sammy Moore, Harrison, Brusier all played the same position. It sure seemed like a convo about cutting ability, and something Hunter showed when returning kicks, in which BTW was the subject of this thread.
Is today national nanny day?
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Give me a break...
2018 vs 2019 catches by receiver position thru 10 games:
Z Receiver: 2018-97, 2019-113
Y Receiver: 2018-58, 2019-60
X Receiver: 2018-71, 2019-59
H Receiver: 2018-40, 2019-71
RB: 2018 Williams-63, 2019 Borghi-60
Very similar 2018 to 2019... just saying
About Harris and his footwork? I amd not. Just so you know, i didn't pick Hunter because he was a DB, but rather how they ran. The fact he returned kicks like Harris. Their feet are never far from the ground,l how they accelerate. Hunter played WR in high school and could have played it WSU. I would never compare Harris to Bruiser. He didn't have the ability Harris has to cut, change direction.
I never saw Bernard ever play, so I can't make that comparison. I always thought it was the Ghosts vision that made him.
***I saw Bernard play and he WAS special. RB at WSU, DB in the pros. Think it was Denver. The comparison that comes to mind for BJ is Barry Sanders, both had the ability to just make these incredibly amazing quick cuts. Obviously their body types were dissimilar, with BJ being quite lean and Barry very compact, but their cutting ability was outstanding.
Well, Thompson wasn't better than this guy at WSU, so he's got to put in 9 better years in the NFL to accomplish your claim.
Well, Thompson wasn't better than this guy at WSU, so he's got to put in 9 better years in the NFL to accomplish your claim.
He may be even better than Coleman. Operative word...may.
