Trump and the Dept. of Education

[Loyal Coug1]

Ok - so Trump is determined to abolish the Dept of Education. Fine. But Geezus F-ing Christ - he backdrops with a bunch of kids, one in a tie (yeah I wore those every day in elementary school). others in uniform (not required in any public school I know of). All I want to know is who the parents of these kids are (Matt Gaetz probably supplied a couple before their date) and how could you possibly pimp your innocent child in front of the nation and world like that? Absolutely F-ing disgusting.

MSN

And speaking of the Dept of Ed, in general I have no idea what their reach is in K-12. In Higher Ed, I would be the first to scrutinize some (well all) of the grants they dole out. I've seen them first hand. It's like what? So methodically and judiciously review all of these and prioritize those funds against all the other federal spending. Like any rational human being.

 

[UberCougars]

You just hate Trump. Never once did it bother you when any other politician made an appearance with kids

 

[Coug90]

You just hate Trump. Never once did it bother you when any other politician made an appearance with kids

The department of education obviously never did you any favors so not surprised you won’t miss it.

 

[95coug]

Ok - so Trump is determined to abolish the Dept of Education. Fine. But Geezus F-ing Christ - he backdrops with a bunch of kids, one in a tie (yeah I wore those every day in elementary school). others in uniform (not required in any public school I know of). All I want to know is who the parents of these kids are (Matt Gaetz probably supplied a couple before their date) and how could you possibly pimp your innocent child in front of the nation and world like that? Absolutely F-ing disgusting.

MSN

And speaking of the Dept of Ed, in general I have no idea what their reach is in K-12. In Higher Ed, I would be the first to scrutinize some (well all) of the grants they dole out. I've seen them first hand. It's like what? So methodically and judiciously review all of these and prioritize those funds against all the other federal spending. Like any rational human being.

What kills me is his whole justification is “returning control to the states,” but that’s where it is. Dept of Education doesn’t set curriculum, graduation requirements have been state and district based for as long as as I can remember.

What he’s going to do is privatize loans, and make tax funds available to private school groups (which already have money). So K-12 education will turn into a marketplace, with the best teachers and equipment following the funding to the wealthy schools - which will more and more be charter and private. Public schools will fall further behind…but those will only be for poor kids and minorities, so nobody will care.

At the college level, he’s clearly trying to de-fund any school that doesn’t bend to his whims, as well as any school that has actual science research. Removing financial aid eligibility from any school will completely and immediately devastate their ability to enroll students. They’ll be forced to either adopt his dictated stances, lean on rich alumni, or close.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

What kills me is his whole justification is “returning control to the states,” but that’s where it is. Dept of Education doesn’t set curriculum, graduation requirements have been state and district based for as long as as I can remember.

What he’s going to do is privatize loans, and make tax funds available to private school groups (which already have money). So K-12 education will turn into a marketplace, with the best teachers and equipment following the funding to the wealthy schools - which will more and more be charter and private. Public schools will fall further behind…but those will only be for poor kids and minorities, so nobody will care.

At the college level, he’s clearly trying to de-fund any school that doesn’t bend to his whims, as well as any school that has actual science research. Removing financial aid eligibility from any school will completely and immediately devastate their ability to enroll students. They’ll be forced to either adopt his dictated stances, lean on rich alumni, or close.

The highlighted text above is the key. I see it where I live because private schools have been trying to get federal money for decades here.

Wouldn't it be great if you could send your kid to a school without all those dirty minorities and poor people and use your own tax money to do so rather than subsidizing those vampires? And the beautiful thing about private schools is that if a kid is underperforming or causing trouble....expel them and send them to public school! That's a problem for the Poors to deal with. Take money away from the overall pot of money and concentrate it as much as possible in wealthy white schools.

The trouble with this movement is that if it is successful, the MAGA crowd is willfully creating a less educated minority population that is more likely to end up in criminal activity. Of course, that plays right into their narratives of hating anyone that isn't white...so it's actually a win for MAGA if crime rises as long as its minorities committing the crimes. The Us vs Them narrative gets strengthened.

On that same thread, everyone should be able to own a fully automatic rifle to fend off those dirty minority criminal gangs so it turns into a win for the second amendment crowd. There are victories to be had everywhere!

I'm obviously being melodramatic....but it's also not inaccurate. I get the arguments that there is excessive administrative bloat and that some of the initiatives are misguided and a lot of that needs to change....but gutting everything is going to lead to bad long term results.

 

[UberCougars]

LSD is a helluva drug.

 

[95coug]

The highlighted text above is the key. I see it where I live because private schools have been trying to get federal money for decades here.

Wouldn't it be great if you could send your kid to a school without all those dirty minorities and poor people and use your own tax money to do so rather than subsidizing those vampires? And the beautiful thing about private schools is that if a kid is underperforming or causing trouble....expel them and send them to public school! That's a problem for the Poors to deal with. Take money away from the overall pot of money and concentrate it as much as possible in wealthy white schools.

The trouble with this movement is that if it is successful, the MAGA crowd is willfully creating a less educated minority population that is more likely to end up in criminal activity. Of course, that plays right into their narratives of hating anyone that isn't white...so it's actually a win for MAGA if crime rises as long as its minorities committing the crimes. The Us vs Them narrative gets strengthened.

On that same thread, everyone should be able to own a fully automatic rifle to fend off those dirty minority criminal gangs so it turns into a win for the second amendment crowd. There are victories to be had everywhere!

I'm obviously being melodramatic....but it's also not inaccurate. I get the arguments that there is excessive administrative bloat and that some of the initiatives are misguided and a lot of that needs to change....but gutting everything is going to lead to bad long term results.

You forgot another piece - when the poor and minorities are dumb criminals, there will be nobody studying why, because that’s not the kind of research we provide funding for.

 

[UberCougars]

… like I said.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

The highlighted text above is the key. I see it where I live because private schools have been trying to get federal money for decades here.

Wouldn't it be great if you could send your kid to a school without all those dirty minorities and poor people and use your own tax money to do so rather than subsidizing those vampires? And the beautiful thing about private schools is that if a kid is underperforming or causing trouble....expel them and send them to public school! That's a problem for the Poors to deal with. Take money away from the overall pot of money and concentrate it as much as possible in wealthy white schools.

The trouble with this movement is that if it is successful, the MAGA crowd is willfully creating a less educated minority population that is more likely to end up in criminal activity. Of course, that plays right into their narratives of hating anyone that isn't white...so it's actually a win for MAGA if crime rises as long as its minorities committing the crimes. The Us vs Them narrative gets strengthened.

On that same thread, everyone should be able to own a fully automatic rifle to fend off those dirty minority criminal gangs so it turns into a win for the second amendment crowd. There are victories to be had everywhere!

I'm obviously being melodramatic....but it's also not inaccurate. I get the arguments that there is excessive administrative bloat and that some of the initiatives are misguided and a lot of that needs to change....but gutting everything is going to lead to bad long term results.

We are going backwards to Virginia after Brown vs The Board of Educationnin the early 50s...because that's exactly what accelerated the drive for private schools so the white kids wouldn't have to go to school with the black kids and be free from federal oversight.

They've already been successful in getting federal education dollars for their clearly religious charter schools which would certainly seem to be a clear violation of the precedent of separation of church and state. Christian Nationalism...here we come! That's all I have to say about that

 

[dgibbons]

Ok - so Trump is determined to abolish the Dept of Education. Fine. But Geezus F-ing Christ - he backdrops with a bunch of kids, one in a tie (yeah I wore those every day in elementary school). others in uniform (not required in any public school I know of). All I want to know is who the parents of these kids are (Matt Gaetz probably supplied a couple before their date) and how could you possibly pimp your innocent child in front of the nation and world like that? Absolutely F-ing disgusting.

MSN

And speaking of the Dept of Ed, in general I have no idea what their reach is in K-12. In Higher Ed, I would be the first to scrutinize some (well all) of the grants they dole out. I've seen them first hand. It's like what? So methodically and judiciously review all of these and prioritize those funds against all the other federal spending. Like any rational human being.

It's a free country, so do as you please. Your ignorance is your bliss.

Fast Facts: School uniforms (50)

The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here.

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If you have no idea what DOE's reach into K-12, why are you against this?

 

[UberCougars]

Other than increasing autonomy in the State of Washington for K-12 education along with zero federal funding cuts to Washington State k-12 education, how did Trump’s executive order change anything in Washington State?

(hint: it’s 2025, not 1950)

 

[Coug90]

Every word of this is true, especially today

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Every word of this is true, especially today

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It's amazing to think that he's been gone almost 17 years and that view is even more accurate now.

 

[95coug]

Other than increasing autonomy in the State of Washington for K-12 education along with zero federal funding cuts to Washington State k-12 education, how did Trump’s executive order change anything in Washington State?

(hint: it’s 2025, not 1950)

Well, it didn’t affect autonomy at all, since the state and districts were already setting curriculum and priorities.
Other impacts are uncertain as yet, because nobody knows how the currently funded grants and programs are going to be managed…or by who. That’s assuming that the grant hasn’t already been eliminated by another order.

 

[UberCougars]

Well, it didn’t affect autonomy at all, since the state and districts were already setting curriculum and priorities.
Other impacts are uncertain as yet, because nobody knows how the currently funded grants and programs are going to be managed…or by who. That’s assuming that the grant hasn’t already been eliminated by another order.

Yes, we already know. You should try and keep up.

 

[95coug]

The next unknown…yesterday, DOGE made it to the Institute of Museum and Library Services, an agency that provides funding for museums and public libraries around the country. It represents 0.0046% of the federal budget, so is obviously a tremendous source of waste and inefficiency. Their staff is expected to be slashed by half over the weekend, and existing grants may be shut off. Impact is expected to be reduction in access to libraries, particularly digital resources, with the largest impacts in rural areas.

Yet another reduction in access to information in the name of efficiency.

 

[95coug]

Yes, we already know. You should try and keep up.

Believe me, I’m up to date on this one. That’s how I know you’ve completely swallowed his totally inaccurate excuse for cutting the department.
You really should try some critical thinking, maybe some exploration beyond social media posts from the far right. The truth is out there…but it’s rarely on X.

 

[UberCougars]

We get it. You hate Trump and you’re afraid of the fraud he will find and publicize.

#ProtectTheCriminals

 

[95coug]

We get it. You hate Trump and you’re afraid of the fraud he will find and publicize.

#ProtectTheCriminals

I’m more afraid of the fraud him and his pals are perpetrating, hiding, and setting up for the future.

There’s not a damn thing being done by DOGE that’s really about efficiency.

 

[UberCougars]

a lot of people are scared of ghosts. You’re not alone

 

[Coug90]

We get it. You hate Trump and you’re afraid of the fraud he will find and publicize.

#ProtectTheCriminals

When you are a career conman and fraudster you learn your best friend is to create distractions and accuse others of what you are guilty of yourself.

 

[UberCougars]

did you learn that from Mom?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I’m more afraid of the fraud him and his pals are perpetrating, hiding, and setting up for the future.

There’s not a damn thing being done by DOGE that’s really about efficiency.

Everyone knows that the real scam going on is that Trump, Musk and their cronies want to cut everything down and when there is a demand to replace the lost services....the private sector will happily step in and provide those services at a healthy profit. It may not be cheaper than before....but it will be profitable to the owners of the companies and that's all that really matters in our oligarchic future.

 

[UberCougars]

interrupting your delusion to bring you some breaking news you can use!

 

[Flatlandcoug]

interrupting your delusion to bring you some breaking news you can use!

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Moving Special Needs Services and Nutrition Programs to HHS may make sense if they retain the staff necessary to provide the services. I don't see how making the SBA responsible for student loans makes any sense...but I guess we'll see.