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Well, Mississippi State.

Sorry I guess I’m missing the laughs. Do tweedle dum and you want to enlighten me? LSU was not the 6th best team in the country. They turned over almost the entire starting 22 (do you remember the ‘98 Cougs?). There were what 3/4 threads full of posts certain Leach was going to make MSU a title contender. Then they go out and lose to Arkansas and score 14 in the process. What about my post here is laughable? You are the one ranking the dumbest posters so just tell me where I fit in.

What part of defending national champ did you misunderstand? By the way, Leach, MSU, tweedle dee nor myself are responsible for LSU’s ranking.
 
"he had a nice run but the flaws in his philosophy will limit him "

Ok pompous ass, i guess that 11-2 2018 season was just luck and will be easily duplicated in the next 15 years.

I know, i know, Leach is bad because he spoke at a Trump event. Just save it.
No that’s a flaw in his personal judgement. Never said he was lucky. He coached in the the PAC-12 which was arguably the weakest of the power 5s during his duration at WSU. The conference particularly wasn’t known for its defense. And those teams that put together solid top ranked defenses ate Leach’s lunch regularly. Now he goes to the SEC West which is loaded with teams that consistently play solid defense. It’s not a leap to say he’s gonna struggle a bit with his philosophy. I liked Leach as a FB coach for the Cougs. Not a hater. Just making a carefully thought out observation with the facts that we have about Leach, the Pac 12, and the SEC, and week one college football rankings. guess that makes me a pompous ass and I’m sure to tweedle d one of the dumbest posters on the board.
 
How is speaking at a Trump event a "flaw in judgment" ?

Thats on his own time and the constitution guarantees him that right.

Intolerance of far leftists on display.

11-2 record discounted because the pac 12 isnt any good ? So how many times has WSU went 11-2 ? im sure it will happen again in the next 75 years. Might have to wait a while.
 
No coach is unstoppable, especially not at a school with the smallest budget in P5.

Arkansas has the same talent on paper as a 6-7/3-5 in 2019 MSU team.

Austin Williams and K Hill being gone after the first play of the game with no back up RB put them in a hole. The game is not that big of an upset.

Let down after a big week one win, too many interviews.

Not surprising.

Ragging Leach for going 11-2 instead of 13-0 is laughable.

If you are 0-20 in league play and beat MSU, it's a huge upset.

Budget doesn't play as large a role as you think it does. At some point there isn't as much ROI. If budget played as huge a role as you say it does, WSU has 0 Rose Bowls and would not have beaten Oregon 4 of the last 5. But yet somehow they do. Money helps for sure, at some point the kids still have to play and the coaches still have to coach. Didn't Iowa State just have a big win against another school with huge dollars??? What happened there???

Blame the interviews. Blame the injuries. Blame the democrats. Blame, blame, blame. They showed up and lost. Blame Mike Leach. He is the head coach.

He has a laundry list of games against inferior opponents he lost to at WSU. He has another list of games where he just coached poorly and lost at WSU. Stop embellishing what went right and diminishing what went wrong.
 
How is speaking at a Trump event a "flaw in judgment" ?

Thats on his own time and the constitution guarantees him that right.

Intolerance of far leftists on display.

11-2 record discounted because the pac 12 isnt any good ? So how many times has WSU went 11-2 ? im sure it will happen again in the next 75 years. Might have to wait a while.
Not getting into a political pissing match been involved in enough of those here already. I can tell you calling me a far leftist is a bigger lol than anything you’ve come up with about a 1-1 football team that just shit the bed against a mediocre opponent....and that’s saying something.
 
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How is speaking at a Trump event a "flaw in judgment" ?

Thats on his own time and the constitution guarantees him that right.

Intolerance of far leftists on display.

11-2 record discounted because the pac 12 isnt any good ? So how many times has WSU went 11-2 ? im sure it will happen again in the next 75 years. Might have to wait a while.

Let's say he introduced Hillary Clinton at a function. It would still be a flaw in judgement. The reason more than the candidate it is a flaw because he represents 100% of WU, and he is bound to tick off 50% of the people who donate, whoever he supports.

Not all that difficult to understand.
 
There's an article on BrandX quoting Spurrier giving credit to UW for inspiring their defense against Mississippi State in the upset. Sounds like rush 3, drop 8 resonated with the Hogs......
 
Let's say he introduced Hillary Clinton at a function. It would still be a flaw in judgement. The reason more than the candidate it is a flaw because he represents 100% of WU, and he is bound to tick off 50% of the people who donate, whoever he supports.

Not all that difficult to understand.
Let's say Leach introduced Hillary.
Let's also say Robert Barber was white.
Do posters here then still support the actions of the SCB to deny Robert Barber's civil rights?

Is Robert Barber despite his unanimous acquittal of second degree assault still considered a "super predator"?
 
There's an article on BrandX quoting Spurrier giving credit to UW for inspiring their defense against Mississippi State in the upset. Sounds like rush 3, drop 8 resonated with the Hogs......
If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying that rush 3, drop 8 is Mike Leach’s kryptonite.
 
Let's say Leach introduced Hillary.
Let's also say Robert Barber was white.
Do posters here then still support the actions of the SCB to deny Robert Barber's civil rights?

Is Robert Barber despite his unanimous acquittal of second degree assault still considered a "super predator"?
That’s neat except for the simple fact that no one denied Robert Barber his civil rights.
 
I'm not saying anything. I'm saying that Spurrier said that the Arkansas staff studied how UW defended WSU and implemented schemes based on what they saw........
Yeah, I know... but my post was really meant for the people who shart themselves when someone posts what I did.
 
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Let's say Leach introduced Hillary.
Let's also say Robert Barber was white.
Do posters here then still support the actions of the SCB to deny Robert Barber's civil rights?

Is Robert Barber despite his unanimous acquittal of second degree assault still considered a "super predator"?

Robert Barber wasn't a super predator. He was a drunk asshole beating up on a dude half his size.....but he was good at the football, so our fans had no problem going full UW and ignoring that. FWIW, I didn't want to see Barber's life ruined, but I felt that he needed more than a slap on the wrist for being a terrible representative of our school. His skin color had nothing to do with my disappointment in how half our entire freakin' team acted that summer. I don't know what was in the water, but there was rampant stupidity all over the place that year.
 
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I will second your call for Jim Sweeney as an underestimated coach. His 1972 team with Ty Paine and Ken Grandberry knocked off #20 Stanford and #17 Washington and finished ranked 19th in the nation. The previous year also beat #10 Stanford at Stanford.

At Fresno State he took them to seven bowls, winning five of them. In his nineteen years there he won nine or more games a year eight times.

His first three years at WSU were rough. But after that his teams were tough and competitive. Apple Cups were evenly split, with a high point of winning 52-26 in 73. And he was respected and well regarded.

My favorite Coach Sweeney call was the 71 Oregon game at Joe Albi which I attended. The Cougars, down by four in the fourth, were punting from the Duck’s 46. The ball was instead snapped to the fullback, Ken Grandberry. He slid the ball ahead and between the back legs of halfback Bernard Jackson. Wide reciever Don Transeth (now a WSU foundation trustee) swung from the left, took a fake hand off from Granberry, and with team blocking, took the Oregon team to the far right side of the field. Jackson remained in the blocking position, holding the ball hidden under his crouched body, until the left side of the field was vacated. He then ran 46 yards all alone. A fine win.

Members the 71 team eventually had eight drafted.

I wish he had stayed longer.
 
I will second your call for Jim Sweeney as an underestimated coach. His 1972 team with Ty Paine and Ken Grandberry knocked off #20 Stanford and #17 Washington and finished ranked 19th in the nation. The previous year also beat #10 Stanford at Stanford.

At Fresno State he took them to seven bowls, winning five of them. In his nineteen years there he won nine or more games a year eight times.

His first three years at WSU were rough. But after that his teams were tough and competitive. Apple Cups were evenly split, with a high point of winning 52-26 in 73. And he was respected and well regarded.

My favorite Coach Sweeney call was the 71 Oregon game at Joe Albi which I attended. The Cougars, down by four in the fourth, were punting from the Duck’s 46. The ball was instead snapped to the fullback, Ken Grandberry. He slid the ball ahead and between the back legs of halfback Bernard Jackson. Wide reciever Don Transeth (now a WSU foundation trustee) swung from the left, took a fake hand off from Granberry, and with team blocking, took the Oregon team to the far right side of the field. Jackson remained in the blocking position, holding the ball hidden under his crouched body, until the left side of the field was vacated. He then ran 46 yards all alone. A fine win.

Members the 71 team eventually had eight drafted.

I wish he had stayed longer.

I'm not sold on Sweeney at all. That 1972 season was good, but Sweeney went 19-55-1 outside of that one season. The program was a mess his last two seasons and went 5-17. Through four seasons, he was 9-32-1. That's not quite up to the Wulff standard, but it's in the same ballpark. In his defense, you could argue that it's a miracle that he won any games at all, since WSU had only 17 true home games in his eight years as coach at WSU. Between the stadium being torched and the inequities of the day, our team rarely played in Pullman in those days. Still, one good season and one other good win doesn't make for a good coaching career.

Sweeney is undoubtedly better than his record indicates, but coaches are judged on results and it ain't a good look for Sweeney.
 
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After the 14 point melt down against the UW, in the last 2 minutes, Sweeney was gone, the handful big boosters we did have at that time, wanted him out after that loss, so he was gone. Sweeney was a God in Fresno, and had great success there for many years.
 
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