OK..but that is hardly "building a machine" when the DC has no experience. He could also lay an egg..so its not like when have someone who is established at the position.
It is funny... I have said I will be patient, but I totally get where the segment of the fan base that isn't patient. What is hypocritical is people who have said to those who support the theory of it takes five years to rebuild the program that they are the problem and that are the losers and now we have paid a D1 coach with a much better resume than Price walked in here with and saying our expectations should be compared to the early on results of that coach. The purpose in paying market wage, paying a high profile coach is to get better results than a coach who came from eastern or Weber State.
What Mike Price did was identify great talent. For the most part they weren't highly recruited. Drew Bledsoe was a highly recruited athlete. But Leaf was not. You know where Dennis wanted to play him---at TE.
Great observation Observer
I'm in show me mode as well. Until I see at least an attempt to run the ball and db's that show up on the tv screen and a special teams that isn't quite so special, then maybe I'll have some kool aid.
'Til then, it's like the yearly "we've worked harder this summer than ever before" annual puff pieces on brand x.
Well the deal in big time football, which you clearly pointed out that is now where the entire Pac 12 is- is that people get hired and fired based on results. That is why there is such big money put forth. It is part of the deal. We can go back and forth about what was or wasn't here, but coaches have enough confidence, that they don't view the job when they take it as this is a soap box derby car and it will take five years to get it up and running. There is no way Leach took this job, looked at the roster and said well be patient, we will be sub .500 for three years. He fully expected to win from day one. And that is just the nature of big time football and big time pay. Do you think Gary Anderson will be around after three years if he is sub .500 for three straight years? Right or wrong, it is how big time football works.
Here's the difference. We haven't played "big time football" for almost a decade. What CML thought when hired is irrelevant. What Moos and the admin thought (the guys that hire/fire) is what matters. And I can guarantee you, they didn't think this was something to be fixed, first year. Was last year a disappointment? Hell yeah. Moos has been open about it, CML has been open about it. But don't make it out like everyone thought this was a quick fix...
What you're saying amounts to handing a construction company 500 million to build a skyscraper and expecting to move in the following year. if we'd hired Saban for a billion-trillion dollars, I doubt the win-loss record would look a whole lot different (assuming he didn't cheat and buy a bunch of mercenaries like he does in 'Bammy).
Well as early as 9/2011 Moos said he liked the look of the team. He went on to say they weren't near a championship team, but liked the pieces of the team. They look like football players. No mention of 260 pound Olineman. No mention of midgets on the dline. This was right after the loss against SDSU and he felt the Cougs had control in the 4th quarter but made too many mistakes.
Well, if the construction company sold me because they said they could build it in that time, and I rushed to get all my financing in order to facilitate the build, and told me several times it was going to happen, don't be surprised next time I build a skyscraper I am not using that construction company. .
Name me any given school in the NCAA, ed. FBS, preferably not a perennial TOP 20 and I'll show you that the AD, when it comes to football, is more of a cheerleader. They aren't the coach and they certainly aren't good fortune tellers. If there's a fan out there that put ANY weight on Moos' crystal ball reading and then after the first season didn't realize the complete dumpster fire we had, needs some new meds.
But we were 2 plays away from 6-6 in 2011!Name me any given school in the NCAA, ed. FBS, preferably not a perennial TOP 20 and I'll show you that the AD, when it comes to football, is more of a cheerleader. They aren't the coach and they certainly aren't good fortune tellers. If there's a fan out there that put ANY weight on Moos' crystal ball reading and then after the first season didn't realize the complete dumpster fire we had, needs some new meds.
Be disappointed. All of us hope and pray for better. But to blame the cheerleader that it isn't happening fast enough is misguided. You've gone down this specific road more times that not, ed. Blame Moos for "overselling". And then you miraculously have a scenario by a third person that you've interacted with, that no one can verify, as an example that people are just tired of CML, tired of Moos, Gosh Golly this road isn't paved in lilies and roses… this is so hard and taking waaaay too much time… Don't know what to tell you… This does suck. Hate losing. Blaming Moos and blaming CML for the condition of the program 5 years ago, won't help anything. People are impatient. OK. Nature of the beast. But you are on a board that, for the most part, isn't and see's and understand's it from a different perspective. If you are trying to sell this, you're barking up the wrong board. My friendly suggestion, keep this to yourself or go to BX. They might swallow it there. Here, you know you're just starting a fight, stirring the pot, etc. etc.. You've stated this many, many times. Nothing new. Please stop.
Hey, he is the front man. Yes, Moos said several things. He always had a list, and Leach was on his list at Oregon. Tell me what we should or shouldn't believe. He said in 2011 he liked the look of the players, that was in 9/2011. He also said he met with Leach to make sure he had a back up plan. He went into the Apple Cup 50/50 to fire Wulff.
95....Not a mysterious third person. A real live fan, and by the backsides in the stands either there is apathy, disappointment, or they just don't know where the stadium is. Not stirring the pot. I simply said with big money as Tron points out comes different expectations. You don't seem to agree. But I would venture to say a good deal of Mrs. and Mr. general public probably feel that way.Name me any given school in the NCAA, ed. FBS, preferably not a perennial TOP 20 and I'll show you that the AD, when it comes to football, is more of a cheerleader. They aren't the coach and they certainly aren't good fortune tellers. If there's a fan out there that put ANY weight on Moos' crystal ball reading and then after the first season didn't realize the complete dumpster fire we had, needs some new meds.
Be disappointed. All of us hope and pray for better. But to blame the cheerleader that it isn't happening fast enough is misguided. You've gone down this specific road more times that not, ed. Blame Moos for "overselling". And then you miraculously have a scenario by a third person that you've interacted with, that no one can verify, as an example that people are just tired of CML, tired of Moos, Gosh Golly this road isn't paved in lilies and roses… this is so hard and taking waaaay too much time… Don't know what to tell you… This does suck. Hate losing. Blaming Moos and blaming CML for the condition of the program 5 years ago, won't help anything. People are impatient. OK. Nature of the beast. But you are on a board that, for the most part, isn't and see's and understand's it from a different perspective. If you are trying to sell this, you're barking up the wrong board. My friendly suggestion, keep this to yourself or go to BX. They might swallow it there. Here, you know you're just starting a fight, stirring the pot, etc. etc.. You've stated this many, many times. Nothing new. Please stop.
Are you saying UW '15<WSU '12?
First off, you've just outlined a cheerleader. He's the "positive" guy. Even with Wulff, he was positive. He was being positive in 2011 AND YOU BELIEVED HIM?! Holy Gullible, Batman. Were you this outspoken then, as well? I strongly doubt it. Moos does a whole bunch of other stuff (important stuff, I'll add) but it's obvious he has put the cheerleader hat on, as well. Get over it. So to underline this for you… Regardless of the situation, Moos will spin it for the positive. If you ask him about how any given sport will do, he's going to say, "I think they are going to do REALLY well, this year. I think we could go to the championships this year!" Rowing, Tennis, baseball, tiddly winks, hopscotch, all of em. OK?
Well...first, not an OCD bone in my body. I analyzed where I thought the program was in 2008, and where they were in 2011, and I agree with Moos in that they in 2011 did not have a championship team, but enough parts to win. Win meaning 6-6. So with experience, talent at several positions, a functional offensive line, and a manageable schedule I agreed with Moos. And when Wulff was fired I totally got where Moos was coming from.
Wait, you analyzed something in 2008? Why? I thought you didn't believe in those pesky "statistics"? Boy, if you did that in 2008, you should have been pissed, pissed, pissed. What has changed? Do you remember what statistics you used to "analyze" the program to give you the warm fuzzys? I'd love to hear THAT perspective.
I didn't use stats in 2007 to evaluate where the program was. I did't use stars. I looked at talent at key spots, the number of returning starters and I looked at the inexperience and lack of talent at QB. So I looked at the ultimate train wreck left after 2007, so that is what I analyzed. That and the lack of recruiting at DT, and the retention that was going on. So yes, I never once looked at "stats".
Yes...I guess that is what I am saying. I am saying Jeff Tuel in 2012 and Halliday in 2012 is better than Jeff Lindquist. I am saying without question Wilson, Ratliff, Williams, Dom Williams, Simone are better than Jaydon Mickens. I am saying Fullington Rodger, Spitz, inexperienced Bosch, Goetz is better than players who have not played a down. I think Long, Cooper, Laurenzi, Pole are better than what you will see at the UW this year.
So "analyze" might be the wrong word since that does require, by definition, an in-depth look into something… Got it. Cleared up.
You're wrong. About lots of these things. Leach would have LOVED to get Browning coming in- his offer last year proves as much. And I don't remember Jeff Tuel getting a Texas Tech offer. You rattle off a bunch of guys who didn't play under Wulff as proof that Leach got better talent than Petersen, which is ridiculous, (Can you imagine what Leach would do with a defense with FOUR draftees in the first two rounds?) and include Bobby "Featherstone" Ratliff as part of the great receiver talent that Leach got, while behaving like the Husky talent will end with Mickens, which I doubt.
I am sorry...Ej Emaual > than Russell Wilson. PAus >Gesser and Brink.
Again, this isn't about stars (well, clearly it is for you...)- my value system has to do with what they do in college, not the mere act of being somewhere on an NFL team's payroll, and my primary decider for recruit value is offers from peers. If a player is desired by other coaches to fit in their scheme, that means more to me than stars. Chester Sua had four stars and one BCS offer- whereas some of the two star guys Leach had had a dozen other offers. I've stated this opinion before. When Leach turned loose your Pulu's and Gardener's, et al... those guys weren't desired by anyone but Wulff, and their subsequent anonymity reinforces that. Leach went and got Marks and Palacio and a number of other guys who were desired by other teams. That was good.
How does one even respond. You look at offers and you surmise because of their offers they are better players. Not sure how you can tell if the Husky players are good or bad? They have never played. And from everything I heard, from local media to people who are at practice have said it is going to be a long long year.
It's funny...I don't remember you and Yaki predicting 3-9.
