When is Chun's timeline...?
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NCAA says you can take 7 transfers and 25 high school kids.
We will see how many kids leave soon enough.
I agree that the sooner he hires the better it is for recruiting. Hiring after the first signing date crushes the available talent pool. Kids will wait for some schools. They won’t wait for WSU.
ttown, I can only offer an opinion based on what I'd do in Mr. Chun's place.
First, if Dickert sweeps Arizona and UW, then unless there is some skeleton in a closet somewhere that I don't know about, I'd probably secure Dickert as HC. He is young and not at the usual experience level, but if the talent is there I think it makes sense to let him develop on the job. There would have to be a prelim conversation about his intentions with regard to filling the staff before I finalized that move, and I'd have to like what I heard. WSU has to be a bit unique in terms of offense, for recruiting purposes if no other reason, and I'd want to be comfortable that Dickert "gets it" in that area. Based on that, I'd expect an announcement within a day or two after the Apple Cup.
Second, it is possible that Chun has somebody already lined up and waiting in the wings. If that is true, then once again I'd expect the announcement within a day or two after the AC.
The only way I see us getting to Dec 1 without an announcement of any kind is if Chun has a guy in the background but there are still details that they are working to finalize. Assuming those details could be finalized within a day or two or three after Dec 1, then it probably makes sense to get that done and announce it all at once, even if it is later that week.
I don't see Chun leaving Dickert to twist in the wind. That is not of benefit to the school or coach Dickert, and there is a lot of karma in how you treat people in these sorts of situations. The decisions you make often come back later to either help or hurt you.
First, if Dickert sweeps Arizona and UW, then unless there is some skeleton in a closet somewhere that I don't know about, I'd probably secure Dickert as HC. He is young and not at the usual experience level, but if the talent is there I think it makes sense to let him develop on the job. There would have to be a prelim conversation about his intentions with regard to filling the staff before I finalized that move, and I'd have to like what I heard. WSU has to be a bit unique in terms of offense, for recruiting purposes if no other reason, and I'd want to be comfortable that Dickert "gets it" in that area. Based on that, I'd expect an announcement within a day or two after the Apple Cup.
Second, it is possible that Chun has somebody already lined up and waiting in the wings. If that is true, then once again I'd expect the announcement within a day or two after the AC.
The only way I see us getting to Dec 1 without an announcement of any kind is if Chun has a guy in the background but there are still details that they are working to finalize. Assuming those details could be finalized within a day or two or three after Dec 1, then it probably makes sense to get that done and announce it all at once, even if it is later that week.
I don't see Chun leaving Dickert to twist in the wind. That is not of benefit to the school or coach Dickert, and there is a lot of karma in how you treat people in these sorts of situations. The decisions you make often come back later to either help or hurt you.
One consideration is if Chun is thinking about a coach whose current team may be in a bowl game. That doesn't stop him from hiring such a guy before that game is played, but it may delay the process of the new coach being able to begin hiring a staff and securing recruits.
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Chun said in the press conference when Dickert was announced that they wanted to make a hire the first week of December (or may it was early December).
My own preference would be to hire Dickert while making it clear that we want him to go find a dynamic young offensive coordinator.
While I haven't spent a great deal of time digging, it seems like we're in a bit of a lull for available coaches. I like the idea of someone younger, who's been doing more with less somewhere else. I don't see those right now...at least none that have enough track record of it. Some have talked about Kalen DeBoer, but he's only been at Fresno 2 years. Jay Norvell is another one I've heard, but he's not that exciting either.
Among P5 coordinators, the common names are Graham Harrell and Alex Grinch. Harrell's O has not found its footing at USC. Grinch already ditched Pullman once, and his D here (and at Oklahoma) had glaring weaknesses. I'm not sold on either of them. And really...how much less of a gamble is either of them than Dickert?
Retreads like Gary Patterson are out there, but those guys lost their jobs for a reason.
Bottom line is that I don't see anyone out there that seems like an obvious target. Not even the ones that the "experts" say are obvious targets.
Among P5 coordinators, the common names are Graham Harrell and Alex Grinch. Harrell's O has not found its footing at USC. Grinch already ditched Pullman once, and his D here (and at Oklahoma) had glaring weaknesses. I'm not sold on either of them. And really...how much less of a gamble is either of them than Dickert?
Retreads like Gary Patterson are out there, but those guys lost their jobs for a reason.
Bottom line is that I don't see anyone out there that seems like an obvious target. Not even the ones that the "experts" say are obvious targets.
You are right--young isn't important but I do want someone who is in tune with the more innovative offenses.
I like what OSU has done. Two tight ends gives the defense 8 run gaps to defend and 2 wide receivers. Add a big back and now you have smash mouth football, play action pass, 2 post up tight ends and two deep threats. You have taken all the pressure off your QB to be the sole provider of offense.
You tell RB and WR recruits they’ll be featured. You don’t need a blue chip QB to make the offense go. You tell TE recruits they’ll have a shot at plenty if stats for the NFL. Your tackles have help if they face off with a 1st rounder pass rusher.
You make the defense play bigger bodies. You don’t give them an option to double team all your guys in routes. You make the DC prepare for run, pass and if you wanna go nutz ~ qb run too. As well as any myriad of formations using 2 wr and 2 tes.
Old school football, just walk the TEs back a step and call them wings.
The Pac 12 has a lot of middle class teams. It’s time to get creative with the kids and schemes. The days of just out muscling or out talenting people in the Pac 12 are ending. Good ideas are going to win.
I love the two tight end offense. The 91 Redskins ran and passed all over the league with that offense...with an option QB from WSU.
Lots of deep balls to be had. I think its a great offense.
Chun better have zeroed in on the candidates he wants to interview by now. Then those interviews happen the week of and after apple cup. We are losing a ton of grad students and seniors. This recruiting class needs a huge boost. With an early signing date in December we are gonna have to hire a a staff heavy on west coast recruiting ties.
Look at the deep pass… They have to commit 8 guys to the LOS… If I had a qb with questionable deep pass talent…. I want as many defenders on the LOS as possible. I don’t want him to see double coverage down field ever.
You wanna hear me say something positive about JDL???? Here it is….
I will take JDL and Stribling one on one downfield all day long in that scheme. Big back from Wisconsin? Yes. QB run option? Yes. Play action or 5 step drop, JDL to Stribling with one on one coverage and a 50/50 ball? Yes. Wind that fuc$er up, throw it as far as you can, Stribs runs under it, queue the band. 6 points.
There you go kid. That’s what I’m talking about!!
I’ll tell you what I want to see. A fired up coach convince Borghi and Harris to come back on their COVID years. We’ve games at Wisconsin, at USC, and home games vs. Utah, Oregon, and UW. That’s a showcase schedule. If you’re not a guaranteed draft pick, don’t roll the dice.
MB cant come back for more of the same. He needs to show the NFL he can carry the ball 20 times per game. He needs to be a 1,000+ yard rusher in Pac 12 play. No more splitting carries. Run an offense that caters specifically to his pinball machine style. Do right by Max. He has been a big timer for WSU and this is 3 diff head coaches that havent featured him. Otherwise, why would he come back?
TH is a NFL slot. He needs a big season too. I like the distribution of the air raid. I hate that kids can’t get enough touches in it. You can’t have 6 targets per game. He has had a bigger season this year in the run and shoot. I’d love to see him really have a monster year and eat the league alive.
If you wanna put perimeter players into the NFL you have to get them stats. You can’t just have them run routes for the sake of running routes. You can’t get a RB drafted high with 8 carries per game. You wanna know why SC is tailback U? They run the ball. You have to feature kids.
Kids cannot leave their WSU career with meat on the bone. They chose WSU. Some of them stuck by their verbal commitment like men when other schools came calling. Some stuck by their verbal commitment like men when naysayers talked trash about their choice. They held up their end of the bargain. Their word meant something. They put the work in. Hold up your end of the deal and showcase them. Give them every chance to blow up. Get them a ball coach! Don’t ask kids to come to your school and when they do go cheap on a coach.
I would think that a capable offensive coordinator could build an offense around JDL, Stribling, Harris, Hobert, Victor, and Borghi.
It looks to me as though the toughest question that a new OC would face is to what extent you use JdL as an RPO QB. Unless you have a back up that can run the team, the injury risk if he runs it much would seem to be a pretty heavy roll of the dice. Yet, if you had at least one back up, the potential benefits of an offense with RPO elements, with JdL at QB, is rather attractive. Might have to bring in a pile of walk-ons to find one QB who gets it.
I personally don't like an offense that runs the QB a bunch.
I do like the threat, however, to pull the ball when the de is crashing hard as well as when there is green grass when nobody is open for an easy 5 yds and slide to move the chains.
I agree, but there are different types of RPO QBs. Oregon's guy is a bruiser who runs between the tackles, but we don't need JDL to do that. He needs some COACHING on how to emulate guys like Russell Wilson where you tuck and run and slide down. That's it. He leaves so much meat on the bone by not scrambling. There were at least 2-3 games where he could have wound up with 50+ rushing yards had he just picked up 8 or so on roll outs.
Guys get hired and skip their bowl games all the time. Guy would have to be a helluva candidate to sit around and wait till mid-late Dec to bring him on.
Chun doesn't seem to be in a hurry which is kneecapping Dickert on the recruiting trail. I don't think working for Chun is going to be popular on the coaching circuit (his last three HC's don't have anything positive to say about him) we are looking at two candidates: June Jones and Jake Dickert. A retread and a guy who isn't ready. The guy who doesn't make the resume yet does show a lot of potential but he needs support if he's going to make it work.
Maybe Schulz and the board of directors will override Pat like his last boss did. Force him to either name Dickert or negotiate behind his back with a guy they all agree on.
Maybe Schulz and the board of directors will override Pat like his last boss did. Force him to either name Dickert or negotiate behind his back with a guy they all agree on.
He is an interim coach with jack squat for a resume. There is no negotiating behind his back like Chun is out if line. He isn’t.
Recruiting was hamstrung by Turd. Placing the blame at the feet of Chun is crap. There is nothing wrong with waiting until the season unfolds to say anything about Dickert’s future. If Dickert truly believes he is interviewing for the job now he has to win. No excuses. No asterisks next to losses. Win and get the job. Lose and it’s open for other candidates.
No they didn't. From what I heard in Pullman two weeks ago is the department has cycled through 150 employees. Sounds like he is a guy from a big time program making big boy decisions. I don't get the feeling he is warm and fuzzy. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Who didn't like him? Rolo? Leach? Does that surprise you? Leach wanted out. He wanted the Tenn job, and had it until Fulmer jumped in. He made it known he wanted his name out there. He wasn't going to live in Pullman the rest of his life. He is closer to his daughter and the Keys.
I would imagine Chun has to be blown away by another coach. Like Kyle Smith but a football head coach or the job is Dickert's as long as he can properly express a vision for what he sees on offense that will be a system that will work in Pullman.
Yes...dudes with egos have beef with others that have an ego and checkbook to match.
If he has a vision for an offensive scheme that would work in Pullman, he should also have a vision for a defensive scheme that can work in Pullman. It isnt the 425.
"Aint" the scheme, it is the bodies. Not getting another barber, eukale, Destiny from 15 to 19 is the problem. And we aren't getting them now.
You have to develop them. You can’t go 6’3” and shorter unless the kid is a monster. Minimum is 6’4” or taller. The idea that you are gonna run a scheme that uses undersized DL that takes on blocks won’t work in the long run. A few good games? Yes. Some wins? Yes. Run the fuc$ over by a bigger OL? Yes.
You are not going to go belly to belly at 6’3” 280 against 6’5” 330 and win. You have to run gaps with that kid. He does not have the size to take on blocks for 4 quarters.
You recruit 6’5” 230. In a year he is 255. In another year he is 280. Now you have something. Commit to 2 DTs like that every class for 5 years, lemme know what it looks like.
Is there any context behind that? Does it include student/part-time employees that kind of cycle through every year?
150 people seems like a big number but it could be completely explainable. If that's FTE's with some length of service in Pullman, that might be indicative of other things - good or bad. It its PTs, totally understandable.
The mental strain of the past two years pushed a lot of people beyond their limits. Chun went nuts. A mentally healthy individual doesn't spend time the week of massive turnover in the athletic department showing up to his insurance agents office to give him a piece of his mind.
Firing Jim Walden by mail was the lesson not learned by Chun with his insurance office tantrum.
What if a video from that surfaced?
From what I heard when Chun was hired, Leach called Kiffen and he put in a good word for Chun, Kiffin and Chun did not have any major issues and Leach was OK with Chun. I think it was looking at his roster and after 8 years or more it's time to move on. I think it is several factors, He struck gold with Minshew, had Gordon in 19, but his defense was was falling apart in 19 and on top of that I think he realize he didn't have a QB he could count on in 20, so that is one reason to move. He had to retool his defensive staff, I think losing assistants because WSU wouldn't pony up was an issue, and that started with Moos. So we know that call was above Moos and the AD position, as Bill never had trouble spending someone else's money. Leach could do whatever he wanted, Chun was not the reason he left. 2020 was not looking to be a good year, he got an offer of 1 million more, and he got to reset his staff again without salary restrictions. I think Leach still has bigger aspirations, so Miss St was the next step, I still think he has one or two more moves in him. Also the Tennessee job offer/circus was back in 2017, Moos left in about October of 2017 as I recall and we had no AD at the time of the Tennessee situation so Chun had nothing to do with that, it was simply Leach being Leach and looking for the next opportunity.
Leach's MO was pretty much "leave me to coach the team and don't muddle around, and we're good."
A mentally healthy individual doesn’t stalk a customer and post a video of his home online. There is nothing wrong with Chun walking into that man’s office and chewing his ass. That man showed zero regard for his customers privacy or safety. Who wouldn’t be upset if someone who they had paid for services abused the relationship trying to manufacture a “gotcha” moment to damage his career? And he is supposed to let it go??? Chun should be on the phone with a national office asking if this was company policy and what was gonna be done to reprimand him.
Agreed, Chun was his client, you don't treat clients that way, if you plan on keeping them that is. If anyone ever calls out their clients publicly, like this guy did, most would go in and chew his ass, I know I would. Very unprofessional of the insurance agent to treat a client like that.
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