It's America. People are free to make decisions you disagree with. He lost his job.
Do you need to be more outraged?
More Rolo. Doesn’t bode well for him
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Do you need to be more outraged?
to be fair this fcking pandemic has infected (see what I did there?) every aspect of our daily lives, including sports. combine that with the team being mediocre at best and Rolo making a spectacle of himself and the school and we end up with this hot garbage of a message board (lately).
Also I wanted to mention that the last two times ESPN has bothered to write anything about us was to exploit disastrous circumstances that the team has been through and now they've exploited the death of an undergrad's family in order to... I'm not sure what. Prove their moral superiority? Thumb their nose at people who haven't been vaccinated? Whatever purpose it was supposed to serve, its nauseating.
Also I wanted to mention that the last two times ESPN has bothered to write anything about us was to exploit disastrous circumstances that the team has been through and now they've exploited the death of an undergrad's family in order to... I'm not sure what. Prove their moral superiority? Thumb their nose at people who haven't been vaccinated? Whatever purpose it was supposed to serve, its nauseating.
If you're looking for a rationale, remember that took place in April. First vaccines in history to be given emergency use authorization, obviously no full FDA approval, the first mrna vaccines in history, and first significant product Moderna put out was the Covid vaccine.
So, yeah, I see why people were hesitant and even why they remain that way. It's perfectly fine for people to disagree, even with you.
The other way to spin is after this "audience" (the proletariat is so fortunate to have an audience with the eminent doctor) is that Chun turned on him. And this was when there was only emergency use, a very flimsy rule with a personal exemption, etc.
That's what made the article, and obviously got your attention. We don't know the extent of the conversation.
We do know via his tweets that he scrubbed that was his leaning. He never once talked about his religious beliefs. He could have made a case for himself back in July stating he has deep held religious beliefs and the vaccine goes against those beliefs, except when his kids got vaxed.
Then look at stutzman's brothers FB page. He was fired by Navy, I don't believe he is suing. His religious views seem to be in every post.
This will all play out in the court. We will see if he gets paid or not. I am not sure what June Jones said helps his case and not sure it matters if it will make it in the records or not. Gives WSU and the state places to look to see how deep those religious motives are. There was one report in Hawaii he didn't even attend a Catholic Church. But we shall see.
The settlement would be confidential. Even with confidentiality, word would get around that there could be money to be had.
Does it set a precedent? Only if the state/WSU gets an adverse court ruling ahead of a settlement. Meaning that if the defendant's motion to dismiss is denied, and discovery ensues in earnest, the defendant may be more interested in settlement at that point. A settlement can be justified to avoid discovery (cost as much as embarrassment), provide finality, avoid risks of trial, and I'm sure many other reasons.
Right now there is an administrative appeal happening which provides another opportunity for a settlement without filing a suit.
For this sort of thing, the difference between "WSU" and "the state" is very blurry, to the extent that there's barely a difference. WSU is self-insured for this sort of liability (under the state insurance pool) they basically only carry commercial policies for some buildings and property. The attorneys representing WSU will be from the state attorney general's office....directed by Ferguson, and in turn, Inslee. So yes, WSU can be compelled to settle or not. The compulsion will be political and directed by the governor, not be the insurance pool, or even by the insurance commissioner (who also reports to the governor).
It'll be interesting to see what happens, partially because WSU's interest is not going to align with the governor's. WSU is likely willing to allow a settlement just to make it go away and get out of the headlines. Preferably a confidential settlement out of court. Inslee may want to fight the battle, regardless of the PR hit to WSU....especially since it's very likely that fighting this out means the state pays nothing.
As to precedent...yes, it would establish one. If Rolo won a court-ordered settlement, then there will be a class action on behalf of all of the employees who were dismissed. That probably requires a Supreme Court decision though, so could be years away. But if they can negotiate an out of court settlement, there's no precedent, and it could be completely confidential. Gotta believe that's what WSU wants to do.
The settlement would be confidential...better not be because MSNBC will have their spin and Fox theirs,. Can't have that
Are you trying to say that Rolovich didn't kill her dad?
Perhaps more to the point, do your wife, sister, mother, daughter and aunts have a sudden interest in the newly single Mr. Gates?
Also, slightly less known fact is that Fauci personally built a time machine and travelled into the future to ensure that there were no long term side affects from getting 1, 2, or 3 or more shots of a new, experimental drug, making the normal long term drug study unnecessary. And, even if there had been the normal studies, there certainly aren't any examples of drugs that underwent the usual clinical trials and went to market and STILL had adverse side effects in certain demographics or age groups, so definitely no need to worry there.
ESPN is for mouth breathers, dental hygienists, immaginary CEOs and woke coke heads.
Rolovich won't be in a class action. A group like the DOT employees might.Well, in some circumstance, perhaps:
Rule 23 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure requires judicial approval of class action settlements. Under Amchem Products v. Windsor, 521 U.S. 591 (1997), class action settlements must meet all of Rule 23's requirements except manageability. Thus judicial approval of a settlement class can place defendants at risk of later having the settlement class cited as "precedent" for certifying litigation classes in other actions.
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Of course, not being a lawyer I don't know what the Rule 23 requirements are. But it sounds like it is very limited in scope, and this is for federal rules. Perhaps only class action lawsuits? Shrug. A WA attorney could answer better.
Yep...so was my recent email. Your point? Are you saying they cut corners on the clinical trials to determine their safety? Are you saying they didn't have enough candidates to submit a trial as they would with any vaccine?
Are you saying they didn't extend the trial date an extra two weeks vs other trial data sets to show there were no side affects?
So my understanding from a guy who does this for a living is that the vaccine is out of the system in four weeks, and the side affects on a vaccine would have shown up no later than week six? He also told me they had so many people for the case studies they didn't need time to get enough people in the study like they would in a cancer study of XXX Breast cancer for example.
My guess vs say 1955, legal documents are way easier to prepare today because their is a template. I could be wrong, but I know in real estate they don't have to type out the contract line by line like they use to in the very early days. And my guess the same in the science world is they have made enough advancements that time could be compressed but they did not skimp on the clinical trials themselves.
And the data when Rolo could have taken the shot had already had over 160 mil shots in the arm. I wonder if Rolo was concerned when his kids got their mandated shots?
Mine crashed the first day. No magnetism problems since then. Typical MS crap.
I've never posted in forums to change the other guys' opinions. It's about providing perspective and maybe impacting the lurkers.
Follow the money and the corporate board seats held by former FDA chairmen.
Next man up. Ka Ching.
You can disagree with anything you want, but that doesn't make you correct or smart.
Just as an FYI, you'll notice that there are 386 drugs that have been recalled here.
Drug Recalls
FDA provides a searchable list of recalled products. Drug recalls are actions taken by a firm to remove a product from the market.
Nor does agreeing or disagreeing make you right or smart.
Do you consider the emergency use, followed by fast track approval a reasonable rationale to be vaccine hesitant?
No, I don't. mRNA vaccines have been in development for nearly 20 years. There is a ton of evidence showing they are safe and effective. There is a reason that every single living President, including your false idol (who presided over the nation while this process occurred) has taken it.
The hesitancy stance is nothing more than performance art at this point, in an attempt to be contrarian because they think it makes them intellectual. Lucky for the majority, the act is wearing thin. Soon it will be ignored all together, as it should have been all along.
How does one perform 1 year, 2 year, 5 year trails in six months? Just curious. Also, please provide proof of your time machine.
I don't think WSU helped itself with this hit job by ESPN. It doesn't help them. Keep this in your back pocket for if/when Rolovich asserts that his religious concerns weren't answered. If the claim is frivolous and Rolo is willing to perjure himself, WSU should allow him to make that unforced error. Then they can say what happened at this meeting.
I'd guess this gets portrayed as Chun forcing the staff who hadn't been vaccinated into an "information session" with an implied threat of retaliation if they didn't take the vaccine. Palmer blabbing to the press about Rolo's questions doesn't instill confidence that this wasn't coercive. They'll fight this out in court, but I don't think the school helped itself today.
Are you implying Chun reached out to ESPN to do this article? In an effort to create more anit-Rolo spin?
Not sure why you believe the trials have to be 1 year 3 or five years . Why is that your time frame?
FOIA requests and discovery will confirm or deny said implication.
If there are any journalists who, you know, do, like, journalism stuff. Before the lawyers do, like, you know, law stuff.
Need we remind the members of the internet jury, Chun is on the hook personally in Rolo's suit.
For the lawyers out there, this seems like standard fare. Sovereign immunity and all that stuff. The AG, Governor, etc., are always named personally when suing the government. I suspect it is the same here (the legal eagles can confirm).
My gut tells me it's more than that. Something personal.
As stated before, the truth always comes out eventually.
Sometimes it just takes that b*tch karma a while to show her face.
No comment from me on the timing and whether WSU pushed for this piece to get out there--I just don't have an informed opinion on either--but regarding the "information session," while I understand the reasons for your portrayal, these things can be spun various ways. One can imagine alternative situations in which Chun never communicated with Rolovich at all about the vaccine, or in which there was an "information session" that was poorer in any number of regards (e.g., just held by the athletic department or some bureaucrat and, whether led by any of those inferior sources or an "expert," just in the form of some kind of PowerPoint-driven inculcation). It's hard for me to see the issue with arranging for an employee to get an hour of one-on-one time to ask a legitimate expert whatever they want about the vaccine. He had some control over the conversation and could ask whatever he wanted, it seems. Obviously Palmer is pro-vaccine, but so is just about every "expert" out there, with rare exception. It is hard to see a better way to genuinely try to help Rolovich get whatever information he needed from a good source. I'm probably in the 90th percentile or higher in general cynicism, but it's hard to find fault with that in and of itself.
