16 Pac recruits from the state of Washington
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Pete gets who Pete wants.
Sarkie gets who Sarkie wants.
Helfie gets who Helfie wants.
etc.
I'd like to have gotten some of these, but mostly I want guys who fit our system, who we want, and who want to play for Leach/WSU.
If I were posting what you posted, you would have essentially responded with the same words as did I.
By chance, are you bipolar? I mean literally bipolar.
what the f***?
WSU is a state school. The athletic department budget is taxpayer subsidized in excess of $10 million a year. It would be nice to see a few of the D1 kids this state produced play within the state.
This post was edited on 12/22 11:40 AM by chinookpirate
WSU is a state school. The athletic department budget is taxpayer subsidized in excess of $10 million a year. It would be nice to see a few of the D1 kids this state produced play within the state.
This post was edited on 12/22 11:40 AM by chinookpirate
it's the Progressive way... ignore reality, ignore the issues and just SHOUT DOWN WITH INSULTS, whatever you don't understand.
Trust me, this issue has been raised by Legislators when considering WSU's funding requests for THE SPOKANE MEDICAL SCHOOL.
Trust me, this issue has been raised by Legislators when considering WSU's funding requests for THE SPOKANE MEDICAL SCHOOL.
You're not, though. At best, you made two assertions- that the "athletic subsidy" should create scholarships for WA kids (dubious) or that, because of the lack of kids IN THIS RECRUITING CLASS from WA, that people are apprehensive about creating a medical school. Both of those are patently ridiculous, though.
Seriously, imagine yourself as someone important. Now, you DON'T want WSU to have a Med School- present your "con" argument... predicated on the makeup of the football team's recruiting class.
I'll wait. I want to see this.
Seriously, imagine yourself as someone important. Now, you DON'T want WSU to have a Med School- present your "con" argument... predicated on the makeup of the football team's recruiting class.
I'll wait. I want to see this.
There's still time in this class so that could change. In-state is always important but until you start to win on the field consistently it can be tough to get the same level recruit in-state that you are able to get from outside the state.
You want players who are committed to the program. Joyner is a good example. If I had to guess I would say WSU was always somewhat of a backup plan for him and he used the DC dismissal as an excuse. If we kept Breske he might have used that as an excuse as well. He de-committed rather that just going soft and taking more visits. He went UW first and they had a better season plus the dismissal of Peters. Again, just a guess and he could want to come back. Question is whether he would still have an offer if he did want to come back. The de-commitment might change how the staff feels about him especially with the recent commitments on defense.
In the end, good player over where they come from trumps in my book.
You want players who are committed to the program. Joyner is a good example. If I had to guess I would say WSU was always somewhat of a backup plan for him and he used the DC dismissal as an excuse. If we kept Breske he might have used that as an excuse as well. He de-committed rather that just going soft and taking more visits. He went UW first and they had a better season plus the dismissal of Peters. Again, just a guess and he could want to come back. Question is whether he would still have an offer if he did want to come back. The de-commitment might change how the staff feels about him especially with the recent commitments on defense.
In the end, good player over where they come from trumps in my book.
What exactly does is matter? In the grand scheme of things it's a bunch of 17/18 year olds. Do you really care where washington kids end up if we are landing quality players. I can say I honestly don't care. Kids here are often overrated anyways due to a lower level of competition. Can't fault any kid for wanting to go somewhere else. Those kids don't care about subsidies and allegiances to residency.
it doesn't matter one bit... for a privately owned, privately funded entity.
It seems to matter to state Legislators being asked to increase funding for new programs while the athletic department is hemorrhaging cash.
as for Joyner, he's announcing his college choice two weeks before he is scheduled to take an official visit. I think we all know he's not coming to WSU
This post was edited on 12/22 12:38 PM by chinookpirate
Signing some in-state kids would be nice, but considering our situation, it is the least of our worries. I'd prefer a quality recruit from North Korea, than a feel good story, in-state. Rick Sloan was adamant about the need to sign in-state kids, and was committed to signing them whenever possible -- you know -- a state school has a responsibility to sign in-state kids. As Chaplin's assistant he whined and complained about the foreigners and the out of state kids Chaplin signed, particularily if they were black, and from Africa. Rick lost sight of why he was hired. He wasn't hired to run a affirmative action program, but to win. As a result, he took the school's most storied program and turned it into a special needs joke, full of kids who had no business competing at a Pac-12 level.
The moral of the story -- you only sign a kid if you think he can help you win.
The moral of the story -- you only sign a kid if you think he can help you win.
Re: Is this the best thing you could find to complain about?
it's been brought up to me, I thought I'd bring it up here.
If you can't handle the discussion, it's easy... move on.
it's been brought up to me, I thought I'd bring it up here.
If you can't handle the discussion, it's easy... move on.
Re: Is this the best thing you could find to complain about?
What a pile of crap. "It's been brought up to me " Why would anyone bring up WSU recruiting to a EWE dude?! And if they did, it wouldn't be in a positive light Wait Now I see where you're going with this. NM. You gotta be you Purple and Pee for Fishie.
What a pile of crap. "It's been brought up to me " Why would anyone bring up WSU recruiting to a EWE dude?! And if they did, it wouldn't be in a positive light Wait Now I see where you're going with this. NM. You gotta be you Purple and Pee for Fishie.
I can see legislators bringing up the AD operating at a deficit. However, I see no connection, at all, to this recruiting class. Were legislators happy with the overall makeup of the roster? Inquiring minds want to know, and I say that honestly. Because if any legislator actually makes that kind of statement, he/she should be voted out of office.
Re: Is this the best thing you could find to complain about?
You don't have anything to DISCUSS, though. You have an anecdote that you can't place in context, but you keep coming back to it. But let's ACTUALLY discuss- take the info your insider gave you, and discuss how legislators will point to ONE recruiting cycle as a detriment to a potential medical school. Can you do that, or is this all puffery?
You don't have anything to DISCUSS, though. You have an anecdote that you can't place in context, but you keep coming back to it. But let's ACTUALLY discuss- take the info your insider gave you, and discuss how legislators will point to ONE recruiting cycle as a detriment to a potential medical school. Can you do that, or is this all puffery?
Re: Is this the best thing you could find to complain about?
I've heard legislators are up in arms about the school changing its colors from blue and pink to crimson and gray, even though that happened like a hundred years ago. Major obstacle to funding the new medical school in Spokane, or so people that may or may not know important stuff have told me....
I'd also question whatever legislator, what school did they graduate from? Just a thought, there. The Medical School is a MAJOR issue that could take multi-millions away from the EWE and will infuse WSU with it. If legislators, that just HAPPEN to be from that school, start feeling a little tense, I can see stupid (more so than normal) comments coming out of politicians.
Now, the same questions that we are applying to Fishie should be applied to whatever idiot brings up this big 'ol pile of smelly, fishie crap. But I easily see where Fishie got all this, smelly, fishie crap from, IF he was actually talking to some legislator at some Christmas party… Someone is butt hurt and is spewing a big 'ol pile of smelly, fishie crap around from the EWE…
This post was edited on 12/22 1:16 PM by Coug95man2
Re: Is this the best thing you could find to complain about?
Look dumbest, you do nothing but flame... and repeat countless lies. That thread locked at the top about the "ignore" button was posted specifically for weak minded, overly emotional people like you who cannot discuss issues and in their weakness, do nothing but flame other posters in a failed attempt to silence them.
now, click it on and stay out.
This post was edited on 12/22 1:24 PM by chinookpirate
Look dumbest, you do nothing but flame... and repeat countless lies. That thread locked at the top about the "ignore" button was posted specifically for weak minded, overly emotional people like you who cannot discuss issues and in their weakness, do nothing but flame other posters in a failed attempt to silence them.
now, click it on and stay out.
This post was edited on 12/22 1:24 PM by chinookpirate
The only people at Christmas parties discussing their opposition to a WSU med school and stupidly linking it to football recruiting would be UW officials. But even they are smart enough to recognize their school has consistently pulled in far more in-state football recruits and would acknowledge WSU has won a conference title more recently without this apparent advantage. They might even remember a former WSU coach receiving considerable criticism for picking a kid from Hawaii over the five in-state QBs the Seattle Times identified as surefire D1 prospects. Of course, that worked out pretty darn well. A real Cougar fan would remember that much.
They also might remember Thomas Toki played his high school ball in-state before transferring to St. Francis in Cali. Austin Joyner? Yes, a longtime but now former WSU commit. Last I checked, we're after Fotu Leiato. I'm guessing a handful of in-state recruits pretty much approximates what WSU traditionally gets in-state.
The fact that you counted the number of other in-state prospects committed to other conference schools on the heels of your sniping about WSU's current ranking speaks volumes about your motivations on this board. Then again, you have said you do support Mike Leach. .
They also might remember Thomas Toki played his high school ball in-state before transferring to St. Francis in Cali. Austin Joyner? Yes, a longtime but now former WSU commit. Last I checked, we're after Fotu Leiato. I'm guessing a handful of in-state recruits pretty much approximates what WSU traditionally gets in-state.
The fact that you counted the number of other in-state prospects committed to other conference schools on the heels of your sniping about WSU's current ranking speaks volumes about your motivations on this board. Then again, you have said you do support Mike Leach. .
An easy search function on 247 shows WSU offered all of them.
You should try 'relevant posting' Yaki.
You should try 'relevant posting' Yaki.
Re: Is this the best thing you could find to complain about?
That's fair. Besides, flaming doesn't slow you down any. (Ba-dum-bum) Asking you to cogently express the reasoning for your opinions slows your turnstile a bit, though, as you've been asked multiple times by different posters to reasonably engage regarding the info you said you heard, and have given no response.
It's like a kite that isn't tied at the end- if you get run far enough, the string will detach and the kite floats off into the ether.
That's fair. Besides, flaming doesn't slow you down any. (Ba-dum-bum) Asking you to cogently express the reasoning for your opinions slows your turnstile a bit, though, as you've been asked multiple times by different posters to reasonably engage regarding the info you said you heard, and have given no response.
It's like a kite that isn't tied at the end- if you get run far enough, the string will detach and the kite floats off into the ether.
Re: Is this the best thing you could find to complain about?
Look who's "emotional"! So you bring up a comment and we can't discuss it?! Really?! Huh. That seems weird. I thought that was the point of a message board…
You always bring up the whole "rules" thing but you call me names all the time… It hurts me, man. Like, bad. Like SUPER bad. You should be banned, right? Isn't name calling against the rules? Because I don't feel "dumbest".
BTW, I have you on ignore and when I get up enough fortitude to view a big 'ol pile of smelly, fishie crap, I "view message". You'll notice I don't respond to you much for that very reason. Sometimes you have something to say. But when you stick your foot in your mouth, I DO make sure to point it out, though. And I do make sure to point out your history as a Purple & Pee supporter. Newbies have a right to understand the angle your statements come from. Is there something wrong with that? Are you ashamed? I would be but that's just me. Anyways… I digress. So, as much as it seems like I flame you a lot (I don't think I "flame", I'm just discussing holes in your "discussion") it's only when I find issue with your statement. So I'm sure that seems like a lot lately.
But I will say this… that ignore button can be utilized by you, as well. Don't like me, don't respond to me. Two way road, dude. Or are you just saying that but not doing it… what's that called? Hypocrite? Is that the right word?
This post was edited on 12/22 1:45 PM by Coug95man2
Look who's "emotional"! So you bring up a comment and we can't discuss it?! Really?! Huh. That seems weird. I thought that was the point of a message board…
You always bring up the whole "rules" thing but you call me names all the time… It hurts me, man. Like, bad. Like SUPER bad. You should be banned, right? Isn't name calling against the rules? Because I don't feel "dumbest".
BTW, I have you on ignore and when I get up enough fortitude to view a big 'ol pile of smelly, fishie crap, I "view message". You'll notice I don't respond to you much for that very reason. Sometimes you have something to say. But when you stick your foot in your mouth, I DO make sure to point it out, though. And I do make sure to point out your history as a Purple & Pee supporter. Newbies have a right to understand the angle your statements come from. Is there something wrong with that? Are you ashamed? I would be but that's just me. Anyways… I digress. So, as much as it seems like I flame you a lot (I don't think I "flame", I'm just discussing holes in your "discussion") it's only when I find issue with your statement. So I'm sure that seems like a lot lately.
But I will say this… that ignore button can be utilized by you, as well. Don't like me, don't respond to me. Two way road, dude. Or are you just saying that but not doing it… what's that called? Hypocrite? Is that the right word?
This post was edited on 12/22 1:45 PM by Coug95man2
This reciting class is looking very good so far, but not being able to recruit the state speaks volumes about the perception of WSU athletics within Washington's HS. The new facilities are nice, and winning will probably nab a few down the line, but fact of the matter is that WSU is not seen as a #1 destination choice for in state kids. Most grow up in UW territory, others want to play in sunny California... the elite few go to schools like ND with tradition. Sure, we don't NEED these kids to be successful, but it's sad that even with a good coach and quality facilities, we are still a fall back option for most of these kids. So how do we make WSU a school young prospects dream of playing for? Or can we? And do we care?
Try this: explain why any of the 15 in-state kids who committed elsewhere (5 are with UW) are better than what WSU has committed at this juncture? We do have one of the top 30 classes at the moment. Do you think the in-state QB prospect that committed elsewhere is as good or better than Hilinski?
I admit that I'd like to see WSU get 3-4 of the top 10-12 recruits in the state every year. But that's not the point of this thread.
WSU was not a fall back option for Toki. He moved to California before his senior year and committed to WSU while he was still in Washington. Just sayin.
More wins, bigger kids in-state. The results actually happen in Washington, so it's easier to sell brand and facilities to kids who can't see the team play week in, week out. Will fix itself in due time. The chorus of local HS coaches who complained, right as the hire happened, that Leach wasn't honoring the C level kids who committed to Wulff probably hasn't helped, but will go away with wins.
Oh...and I actually agree that liberalism is a mental disorder (as you suggest).
But one more point...
My favorite basketball team of all time for WSU had exactly zero players from the state of Washington (Weaver, Low, Rochestie, Harmeling, Baynes, Cowgill, etc.). I don't care where they come from, I want good team players who are also also solid people, smart, and represent the school well.
I've always wondered how much of our inability to recruit in state is due to HS coaches influencing their players away from WSU. Seems that most of the state's talent comes from a few schools. It also seems those coaches are pushing their most talented players to UW or out of state and are pushing their fringe talent to WSU... and now they are mad that we aren't giving these kids scholarships. That creates "bad blood" because we are no longer a guaranteed option for fringe D1 talent. Of course this is all just how I perceive things. I have no evidence that supports that is actually how things are. I just have a hard time believing some of these coaches are honestly pushing WSU on their 3-4 star talent. Maybe I'm wrong.
Rochestie was/is a solid, solid kid. He's still is a great ambassador for the school. And he's from Santa Barbara.
I think he used it as an excuse to bow to pressure from other sources, his father, that want him at UW, likely for their own personal reasons such as it being easy to get to games etc... and the standard west side UW bias.
Family pressure is tough to overcome (especially around the holiday season) and I would suspect that's part of the deal as well. I would love for Joyner to be a Coug. Really good talent and just as important he's a good kid by all accounts. It just probably isn't in the cards but I hope it works out for him.
