Christ Uber you sound like trumps press secretary. Let’s throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see if we can keep the American people numb to the fact that we don’t have a ****in’ clue what we are doing!
Abandoning allies
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Even if Biden was Putin's bitch, why does that excuse Trump bending over a table so that Putin can do whatever he wants?
I know that you are Pro-Russia now, but it might surprise you to know that most of the "free world" views the killing of thousands of innocent civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure for the sake of subjugating a sovereign nation is considered a war crime.
Are you being consistent and taking the position that we should go ahead and abandon Guam and our other bases in SE Asia since we shouldn't be involved in the affairs of other countries?
Add this to the list. For the “fake news” folks, your president is now inviting Russian news into the White House 🤔. Congrats Muricans.
Vlad: “Holy shit this is much faster than even I anticipated”
Well, Trump is cleaning up the mess from Biden's watch (which extends back to when VP Biden was tasked with foreign policy for Ukraine during the Obama presidency).
I've been consistent in saying that the future of the United States is much more closely tied to Asia than Europe, and that the United States is not prepared for a military conflict with China. That's not Pro-Russia. That's pro-America. That's fighting battles that matter instead of a Cold War redux. "Most of the free world" is free to fund Ukraine's war effort and economy. I certainly don't care if they do.
We all agree that China is morphing into a bigger threat than Russia. That said, history says that it's a bad idea for us to pretend that we won't get pulled into a war in Europe. We can't afford to pretend that Russia isn't a problem just because China is a bigger problem.
And for what it's worth, if we don't care about Ukraine, why don't we leave instead of going full Mafia Boss and saying, "Hey...somethin' bad might happen if you don't give me some of your valuables to show that you respect our protection". Why are we trying to get a half a trillion worth of rare earth metals and other natural resources if we don't want to be involved?
HINT: It's called talking out of your ass and it's what Trump loves to do.
You may have noticed the nearly $37 trillion national debt. The Team America World Police days are over. And it's not morphing. China IS a bigger threat than Russia, and has been for quite some time. Obama didn't "pivot to Asia" because he likes Chinese food.
The world appears to be shifting toward multi-polarity from globalism. One of the strategic failures of Biden's foreign policy was China and Russia getting closer. The "no limits" friendship. That's bad for the US. Unfortunately, the only other potential player out there to balance out a China-Russia alliance is our limp wristed "allies" in Europe many of who do not fund their own defense, and badly want to re-hook their economies to cheap Russian gas. If there are three key players, do we want to the one, with the two others allied? Or see if we can drive a little wedge into the no-limits?
And the Russian side of the deal hasn't really been in the media. Just a lot of hysterics from the neocon warmongers.
I still don't understand why so many people want more Ukrainians to die. One generation is gone. And that's on top of a demographic problem so bad that 18-25 year old males not being subject to conscription.
Would someone be so kind as to ennunciate just what specifically Trump has bent over to Putin for?
Last I heard, the killing was still continuing.
Last I heard, the killing was still continuing.
You watch the meeting with Zelenskyy today? With Russian state media in attendance. wtf more do you need to see 😂. He’s a Russian asset. Clear as day.
Sure he is. And Zelensky is a choir boy.
What specifically did Trump do to be Putin's bitch?
I’m actually OK with this part. We’re leveraging our position here to reduce our reliance on Chinese metals. That’s actually a really good strategic move.
Zelenskyy seems like he’s got it all figured out holding all the cards he needs.
Good for him, I guess.
Sucks though if you’re a Ukrainian with plans for a long life but, hey, it’s what they voted for so it isn’t really any of our concern, right?
Ukrainians can do what they want.
Good for him, I guess.
Sucks though if you’re a Ukrainian with plans for a long life but, hey, it’s what they voted for so it isn’t really any of our concern, right?
Ukrainians can do what they want.
Amazing how you can’t let this go and are stupid enough to die on this hill despite all evidence to the contrary including the words of 2/3 of your highest ranking sources - the 3rd of whom you cited is literally on Putin’s payroll.
You are a phukking joke.
The Ukrainian guy and the former Israeli PM are on the Russian payroll?!?!?!? Wow. Amazing that Putin is not the emperor of the world.
It’s probably going to be difficult at this point to find raw and uncut video of this Oval Office disaster. I didn’t bother looking for it on X, Fox, ABC, CNN, etc, but found some longer versions from international sites. Vance accused Zelensky of “attacking” the Trump administration, but I didn’t see that happen. Really, the whole thing reminded me of the first Trump/Biden debate in 2020, when it was complete chaos and just continual interruptions and talking over the other person. Vance, once he got started, wouldn’t let Zelensky actually respond. Once Trump stepped in, taking dubious offense to a comment that he clearly mischaracterized or misconstrued, then Zelensky was barely allowed to speak. They kept talking about how disrespectful he was, and wanted to know how many times he’s thanked Trump *today*.
Honestly, I didn’t see disrespect from Zelensky. The shouting seemed to start after he called Putin a killer and a terrorist. I guess that offended Vance?
Knowing that they also had a TASS rep in the office at the beginning, it really does start to make you wonder how much of this was staged.
Honestly, I didn’t see disrespect from Zelensky. The shouting seemed to start after he called Putin a killer and a terrorist. I guess that offended Vance?
Knowing that they also had a TASS rep in the office at the beginning, it really does start to make you wonder how much of this was staged.
Cool.
So admittedly a Hollywood blow hard with zero political acumen is pulling the strings of the democrat puppet show. To be fair, he's about as qualified as the anointed DEI candidate.
the "great negotiator" is out there giving up every negotiating point before he had his first meeting with Putin. Y'all keep talking about stopping the war because people are dying. By that logic, we should have told Europe to just surrender to Hitler because it would have stopped the killing. F#cking retarded comment to suggest that Ukrainians should surrender just because it's the easy thing to do.
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