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Bust - Ryan Leaf Podcast

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I know everyone has their own view on Ryan Leaf, but I would highly recommend giving his podcast Bust a listen. Episodes are about ~30 minutes each so far (8 in total so far). It's a pretty brutal self reflection as he monologues through it.

Just thought I would share for others who may be interested.
 
I listen to Leaf when he is on KJR...and I think he is very good. Same when he has stepped in for Rich Eisen.

I think he found his calling.
 
After football, conversation was probably Ryan's greatest strength.
 
Not sure why the hate for Leaf; he never hurt anyone but himself, and he seems to be much better now. If he messes up again, I'll probably not have much use for him, but there have been a lot of good, decent people who've gotten hooked on what started as a prescription for pain medicine.
 
I just finished the 2nd episode. Good stuff. The candor is amazing. And he has a good radio voice.

He admits he's narcissistic, and you can see it come out even in his telling of the story. He knows who he is. What I haven't seen so far is a desire to change. He gets he's been a jerk and I'm hearing some remorse, but the desire to change? In the Rich Eisen interview he does express a desire to change.

I guess the struggle is real. The alcoholic hates how he is, but never changes. The druggy hates the addiction and regrets the pain he has caused, but continues to use. Perhaps the narcissism is a flavor of these. The narcissist knows who he is but struggles to change.

Note: The above is not to say Ryan is a horrible person. I've known a few narcissists, but they have never been to the extent Ryan admits to have been. Perhaps it is how extreme he admits to being that is throwing me off.
 
I just finished the 2nd episode. Good stuff. The candor is amazing. And he has a good radio voice.

He admits he's narcissistic, and you can see it come out even in his telling of the story. He knows who he is. What I haven't seen so far is a desire to change. He gets he's been a jerk and I'm hearing some remorse, but the desire to change? In the Rich Eisen interview he does express a desire to change.

I guess the struggle is real. The alcoholic hates how he is, but never changes. The druggy hates the addiction and regrets the pain he has caused, but continues to use. Perhaps the narcissism is a flavor of these. The narcissist knows who he is but struggles to change.

Note: The above is not to say Ryan is a horrible person. I've known a few narcissists, but they have never been to the extent Ryan admits to have been. Perhaps it is how extreme he admits to being that is throwing me off.
I just finished the 8th episode. Would love to hear your thoughts when you get caught up. It's pretty intense stuff, as you can tell already, and I think he gets to his desire to change in further episodes.
 
I just finished the 2nd episode. Good stuff. The candor is amazing. And he has a good radio voice.

He admits he's narcissistic, and you can see it come out even in his telling of the story. He knows who he is. What I haven't seen so far is a desire to change. He gets he's been a jerk and I'm hearing some remorse, but the desire to change? In the Rich Eisen interview he does express a desire to change.

I guess the struggle is real. The alcoholic hates how he is, but never changes. The druggy hates the addiction and regrets the pain he has caused, but continues to use. Perhaps the narcissism is a flavor of these. The narcissist knows who he is but struggles to change.

Note: The above is not to say Ryan is a horrible person. I've known a few narcissists, but they have never been to the extent Ryan admits to have been. Perhaps it is how extreme he admits to being that is throwing me off.
Ryan had a ghost writer for his book, maybe he should run his pod scripts by someone too?

Ryan has been through rehab and knows all the mantras and introspection that goes with 12 stepping. Part of that process is admitting what you are and aren't and then dealing with it. My friend dried out 5 years ago and still goes to AA and sees a counselor and to hear him talk - the introspection and emotional IQ - its amazing and refreshing. Granted, not everyone is going to be like my friend, but having heard Ryan talk I feel like he's most of the way there, but could benefit from seeing a Psychologist or therapist.
 
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A side story about that '97 season.

About 2010 or so, I ran into Rob Rainville in Lewiston social gathering. My wife and brother-in-law went to high school with him and recognized him and went up to chat. After some initial discussion, I asked about that game at ASU. He said that was the single loudest stadium he had ever been in. He couldn't hear the snap count. He could barely hear the play calls and said that Leaf was hoarse by the end of the game having to yell so loud to be heard.

In retrospect, he thought that loss was almost as heartbreaking as the Rose Bowl. The opportunity to be undefeated going into the Rose Bowl was something he regrets.

And yes, he thinks we are still owed 0:02.
 
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Ryan had a ghost writer for his book, maybe he should run his pod scripts by someone too?

Ryan has been through rehab and knows all the mantras and introspection that goes with 12 stepping. Part of that process is admitting what you are and aren't and then dealing with it. My friend dried out 5 years ago and still goes to AA and sees a counselor and to hear him talk - the introspection and emotional IQ - its amazing and refreshing. Granted, not everyone is going to be like my friend, but having heard Ryan talk I feel like he's most of the way there, but could benefit from seeing a Psychologist or therapist.
I like how raw the podcast seems to be. It sounds like a stream of consciousness, just edited for time. We get to hear Ryan as he is, not filtered through some editor. And for stories like his, I think it should be just as it is.
 
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A side story about that '97 season.

About 2010 or so, I ran into Rob Rainville in Lewiston social gathering. My wife and brother-in-law went to high school with him and recognized him and went up to chat. After some initial discussion, I asked about that game at ASU. He said that was the single loudest stadium he had ever been in. He couldn't hear the snap count. He could barely hear the play calls and said that Leaf was hoarse by the end of the game having to yell so loud to be heard.

In retrospect, he thought that loss was almost as heartbreaking as the Rose Bowl. The opportunity to be undefeated going into the Rose Bowl was something he regrets.

And yes, he thinks we are still owed 0:02.

They couldn’t hear shit. It was a huge problem. I think there was a false start penalty that really hurt them because they couldn’t hear Ryan at all.
 
They couldn’t hear shit. It was a huge problem. I think there was a false start penalty that really hurt them because they couldn’t hear Ryan at all.
IIRC, the shit of it was, the week before Jenkins whined in OT to the officials about not being able to hear. And the officials stopped reset the play clock at least twice for them. No charged timeouts. Ryan should have pulled the same stunt in Tempe.
 
I just finished the 2nd episode. Good stuff. The candor is amazing. And he has a good radio voice.

He admits he's narcissistic, and you can see it come out even in his telling of the story. He knows who he is. What I haven't seen so far is a desire to change. He gets he's been a jerk and I'm hearing some remorse, but the desire to change? In the Rich Eisen interview he does express a desire to change.

I guess the struggle is real. The alcoholic hates how he is, but never changes. The druggy hates the addiction and regrets the pain he has caused, but continues to use. Perhaps the narcissism is a flavor of these. The narcissist knows who he is but struggles to change.

Note: The above is not to say Ryan is a horrible person. I've known a few narcissists, but they have never been to the extent Ryan admits to have been. Perhaps it is how extreme he admits to being that is throwing me off.
A narcissist doesn’t believe anything is his fault, it’s always about what someone else has done to him. Even admitting that they’re a narcissist is a pretty significant step.
 
Ryan Leaf is my favorite Coug of all time. 97 was magical.

It's not my place to judge how he deals with his addictions. However, I also don't have the need or desire to hear his story for the gazzilionith time. If it helps others, great. But there's a lot of other interesting pods out there that exercise my brain more and delve into more interesting topics than this week's games.
 
Ryan Leaf is my favorite Coug of all time. 97 was magical.

It's not my place to judge how he deals with his addictions. However, I also don't have the need or desire to hear his story for the gazzilionith time. If it helps others, great. But there's a lot of other interesting pods out there that exercise my brain more and delve into more interesting topics than this week's games.
In the sense of not "hearing his story" again, I am in 100% agreement.

What I do find interesting, though, are the little nuggets you don't get with other stories. For example, his mention of how he was setup by older kids to embarrass him and how that affected him. Or the story about why Chad Davis was benched (never heard that one before). Or his visit to Miami and how Eric Price was a GA there.

The extra bits are worth the listen.
 
In the sense of not "hearing his story" again, I am in 100% agreement.

What I do find interesting, though, are the little nuggets you don't get with other stories. For example, his mention of how he was setup by older kids to embarrass him and how that affected him. Or the story about why Chad Davis was benched (never heard that one before). Or his visit to Miami and how Eric Price was a GA there.

The extra bits are worth the listen.
Felt the same way, and agree.
 
"If Peyton didn't have the last name Manning, he'd be a 3rd round quarterback."

Wow!
 
The UW thing is puzzling to say the least.
UW's schedule was set up for a lot of wins in 2021. Other than the Michigan road game, which nobody thought would be as hard of a game on paper as it later appeared, UW's schedule was really soft. Missed USC and had the tougher conference games (Oregon, UCLA, and ASU, in addition to Cal and WSU) at home. Only conference road games for UW were Oregon State, Arizona, Stanford, and Colorado.
 
UW's schedule was set up for a lot of wins in 2021. Other than the Michigan road game, which nobody thought would be as hard of a game on paper as it later appeared, UW's schedule was really soft. Missed USC and had the tougher conference games (Oregon, UCLA, and ASU, in addition to Cal and WSU) at home. Only conference road games for UW were Oregon State, Arizona, Stanford, and Colorado.
yeah, but the starting qb was basically an unknown. I mean, other than being a G-K kid (which now seems to be the GOLD standard in WA, but I digress...), there was no reason to think this was even a 10 win team. Hyperbolic/ myopic huskie fans making duck fans look like nostradamus.
 
I'll check the pod.

I remember though once, going to one of those awful Seattle games when we were trying to build an audience on the westside by getting our asses whipped there, I saw a traveling RV with his "596 Switch" book promo about football and redemption emblazoned on the side, and thought "good for him getting his life back in order."

The following year, he was arrested again. And again, and again, most recently in 2020 in Palm Desert which I did not know about. I wish him the best but man, the last decade+ has challenged everyone in his network, as well as the fans and well-wishers.
 
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yeah, but the starting qb was basically an unknown. I mean, other than being a G-K kid (which now seems to be the GOLD standard in WA, but I digress...), there was no reason to think this was even a 10 win team. Hyperbolic/ myopic huskie fans making duck fans look like nostradamus.
UW & Jimmy Lake let Leaf talk to the team. Probably for an honorarium. When WSU didn't allow the same, some of the usual suspects had a fit and blamed Rolo/Chun

That 12-0 prediction was ridiculous. UW had all home games in 2020 and almost finished 1-3 instead of 3-1.

Certainly did not have a good QB, plus pretty shaky OC & DC coordinators in Donovan and Gregory.
 
It’s a good pod so far. A lot of good self reflecting by him. Safe to say he still isn’t a fan of Mike Riley. I wouldn’t be either if I had to find out through the media you’re benching me.

I always wonder if Leaf would have had a career if the Chargers hired Price. Price was somehow able to make it work with him.
 
It’s a good pod so far. A lot of good self reflecting by him. Safe to say he still isn’t a fan of Mike Riley. I wouldn’t be either if I had to find out through the media you’re benching me.

I always wonder if Leaf would have had a career if the Chargers hired Price. Price was somehow able to make it work with him.
I don't know, man. That San Diego press were like sharks that smelled blood in the water, and the Chargers organization did nothing to help or protect him. There is no way they didn't know who Ryan was or what his mentality was. Couple that with an impotent HC, shaky pass protection, and a who's who of skill positions...

**Went and checked the stats from the Leaf/ Harbaugh years... holy hell. Neither QB had a positive TD/Int ratio. They had RB by committee as well. What they hell offense was Riley running? West coast/ pro, right? Just trying to figure out why it was such a colossal failure. If so, lack of a strong running game (3.0ypa) was probably at the root of their problem. Enter LT and they go up to 4.6 ypa/ 5.1ypa the next two years, but Seau left and the defense went to crap.
 
I don't know, man. That San Diego press were like sharks that smelled blood in the water, and the Chargers organization did nothing to help or protect him. There is no way they didn't know who Ryan was or what his mentality was. Couple that with an impotent HC, shaky pass protection, and a who's who of skill positions...

**Went and checked the stats from the Leaf/ Harbaugh years... holy hell. Neither QB had a positive TD/Int ratio. They had RB by committee as well. What they hell offense was Riley running? West coast/ pro, right? Just trying to figure out why it was such a colossal failure. If so, lack of a strong running game (3.0ypa) was probably at the root of their problem. Enter LT and they go up to 4.6 ypa/ 5.1ypa the next two years, but Seau left and the defense went to crap.
San Diego gave him no chance to succeed. They lost Tony Martin before the draft, then traded Eric Metcalf and their 2nd round pick, plus their ‘99 1st rounder to Arizona to move up a spot and get Leaf. It left the Chargers with no real receiving threats, and Natrone Means was their RB - well past his prime - so they weren’t a great running threat either. No QB was going to have much success there in 98-99. After the way Stan Humphries got beat up in ‘97, it was pretty clear things were bad in San Diego.

they needed a QB who was strong enough to lose. Instead, they took one who had glaring maturity issues, fired the coach mid-season, and did basically nothing to improve the offense until after the 2000 season (when they dealt the #1 pick and turned it into LT, then got Drew Brees in round 2). By then they had given up on Leaf.
 
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yeah, but the starting qb was basically an unknown. I mean, other than being a G-K kid (which now seems to be the GOLD standard in WA, but I digress...), there was no reason to think this was even a 10 win team. Hyperbolic/ myopic huskie fans making duck fans look like nostradamus.

The mutts did go 3-1 in 2020 and their loss to 4-2 Stanford was close.

Their 2021 schedule was absolute trash on paper before the season started. Here is the list of 2020 records for their opponents in 2021

Montana: FCS (2-0)
Michigan: 2-4
Ark State: 4-7
Cal: 1-3
OSU: 2-5
UCLA: 3-4
Arizona: 0-5
Stanford: 4-2
UO: 4-3
ASU: 2-2
Colorado: 4-2
WSU: 1-3

Looking at the records for the above teams, it isn't hard to picture the mutts having a good season. I think everyone knew that they "might" be mediocre, but it was easier to assume that their ceiling was high than low. Leaf was obviously more optimistic than most people would be, but I was picturing the mutts as an 8 or 9 win team before the season started with a good shot at 10 wins if everything came together.
 
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San Diego gave him no chance to succeed. They lost Tony Martin before the draft, then traded Eric Metcalf and their 2nd round pick, plus their ‘99 1st rounder to Arizona to move up a spot and get Leaf. It left the Chargers with no real receiving threats, and Natrone Means was their RB - well past his prime - so they weren’t a great running threat either. No QB was going to have much success there in 98-99. After the way Stan Humphries got beat up in ‘97, it was pretty clear things were bad in San Diego.

they needed a QB who was strong enough to lose. Instead, they took one who had glaring maturity issues, fired the coach mid-season, and did basically nothing to improve the offense until after the 2000 season (when they dealt the #1 pick and turned it into LT, then got Drew Brees in round 2). By then they had given up on Leaf.
Spanos family were not good owners. There is a reason why the Mannings told the Chargers that Eli would sit if they drafted him.

Leaf didn’t do him self any favors, but the whole damn city turned on him so fast he was screwed. Even if he would have had the emotional IQ to handle it properly.
 
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Spanos family were not good owners. There is a reason why the Mannings told the Chargers that Eli would sit if they drafted him.

Leaf didn’t do him self any favors, but the whole damn city turned on him so fast he was screwed. Even if he would have had the emotional IQ to handle it properly.

I have always wondered what the Manning family knew about the Chargers that the Leaf family didn’t. There was no way, no how Eli was going there.
 
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It’s a good pod so far. A lot of good self reflecting by him. Safe to say he still isn’t a fan of Mike Riley. I wouldn’t be either if I had to find out through the media you’re benching me.

I always wonder if Leaf would have had a career if the Chargers hired Price. Price was somehow able to make it work with him.
Mike Price was not an NFL head coach in any way, shape or form.

Not disciplined enough or cutthroat (turning down Brad Otton transfer)
 
The mutts did go 3-1 in 2020 and their loss to 4-2 Stanford was close.

Their 2021 schedule was absolute trash on paper before the season started. Here is the list of 2020 records for their opponents in 2021

Montana: FCS (2-0)
Michigan: 2-4
Ark State: 4-7
Cal: 1-3
OSU: 2-5
UCLA: 3-4
Arizona: 0-5
Stanford: 4-2
UO: 4-3
ASU: 2-2
Colorado: 4-2
WSU: 1-3

Looking at the records for the above teams, it isn't hard to picture the mutts having a good season. I think everyone knew that they "might" be mediocre, but it was easier to assume that their ceiling was high than low. Leaf was obviously more optimistic than most people would be, but I was picturing the mutts as an 8 or 9 win team before the season started with a good shot at 10 wins if everything came together.
In 2020, Stanford had to practice in a Bellevue park in the lead up to beating UW.

Utah was up 21-0 at half time on the UW in 2020.

Oregon State lost by only 1 score while the previous week WSU beat Oregon State by 10 in Corvallis.

WSU fans overrated Lake like they did Lambright based on past Apple Cup results - both looked good with their schemes (drop 8 vs 9 in box) when they had NFL caliber players on defense. But their team's offenses were an afterthought and neither were football CEOs in the end.
 
Mike Price was not an NFL head coach in any way, shape or form.

Not disciplined enough or cutthroat (turning down Brad Otton transfer)
I don't think there was ever really a thought of Price as an NFL HC. I remember hearing talk, even in 1998, that maybe the Chargers should bring him on as QB coach...just to be the Ryan whisperer.

I don't really think it would have worked. Price didn't really control Leaf when he was in Pullman, he just managed to not let the stories get out. Once he was the #2 pick with a couple million $$ in his pocket, there was no way to keep him on the leash.
 
Spanos family were not good owners. There is a reason why the Mannings told the Chargers that Eli would sit if they drafted him.

Leaf didn’t do him self any favors, but the whole damn city turned on him so fast he was screwed. Even if he would have had the emotional IQ to handle it properly.
I think the problem was Dean Spanos had no idea what he was doing when he took over (although his dad wasn't great either). After his first 6-7 years, they at least starting making moves that weren't just 100% stupid.

Bad as they were in that era, I think Shahid Khan in Jacksonville has them beat. They've won barely 25% of their games in the 10 years since he took over (41-119 by my count). Almost 25% of those wins (10) were in one season (2017). They've had 5 different head coaches (not counting interim).

They look likely to have the #1 pick for a 2nd year in a row. In the last 50 years, it looks like there have been exactly 4 times when a team picked #1 twice in a row - Tampa Bay in 1976 & 77 and again in 86 & 87, and CLeveland in 99 & 2000 and in 2017 & 2018.

When the company you're in is Tampa and Cleveland - and even worse, expansion Tampa and Cleveland - you know you stink.

And really, last year they picked this hugely hyped "generational talent" at QB...and managed to ride him to 2-13 and a likely #1 pick again? Something must be wrong...right?

I've said it before, but if you've got the #1 pick (and especially if you have it 2 years in a row) you have more problems than you can solve with 1 pick. Signing the top OT in the draft doesn't solve your problems when you need 3 OL. Trade the pick, turn it into more picks, and solve more problems. It also saves you money.
 
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